The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Lord Beerus]

But the warriors still didn't know how to suppress his power, so the numbers that appeared in scouters were indeed his powers.

Actually, many characters stared to display the power suppressing ability around the time of the 23rd WMAT. Such Goku, Roshi, Kami and Piccolo Jr.

[LightBing]

Yamcha ( 23rd Budokai ) and Kuririn ( 23rd Budokai ) vs Piccolo Daimao ( young )

The demon blows them to smithereens. They could, at the start, cause some damage with good team work, but the gap is too much. Besides Tenshinhan, no one reached even close to Piccolo Daimao(young).

[Bullza]

Why would he be slightly stronger than when he beat Golden Great Ape Baby?

Wasn't there a difference of like a year between the Baby saga and the Shadow Dragons saga?

He'd have grown stronger from training in the meantine.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Wasn't there a difference of like a year between the Baby saga and the Shadow Dragons saga?

He'd have grown stronger from training in the meantine.

That depends if you believe Goku's dormant power / utmost limit also increased.

[Sayo-chan]

Suzaku (Yu Yu Hakusho) VS. Piccolo Daimao

Since nobody replied to this, I'll repost it.

I'm curious. Who in the Dragon World would Cobra stack up against? Here's some of his feats:
-can bench-press 500 kg with his right, non-cybernetic arm.
-he states can run 100 meters in 5 seconds flat, consistently up to 3km+. That's about 3 miles in 4 minutes, although it's implied he may be faster based on his tone and as well as the fact he was able to run the 3km in less than a minute.
-his Psycho-Gun in his arm can curve to where he thinks it (presumably before he fires), going through everything aside from polarized crystal.
-he crashed into a pool of water at 500 km/h from a height that was stated normal humans would've exploded into pieces, surviving and taking little damage.

[Captain Space]

Suzaku (Yu Yu Hakusho) VS. Piccolo Daimao

I think Suzaku's strongest attack was basically equivalent to a bolt of lightning (his biggest destructive feat was caused by an actual lightning bolt he summoned, wasn't it? Even if it was his own attack, he blew a hole in a large roof.). And the best speed feats around that time were in Hiei and Seiryu's fight, and that was like...I think I've seen it calculated to about Mach 2?

Point is, even with Suzaku's clones in the fray, Piccolo wipes 'em out with one blast.

(Unless you meant Suzuka.)

(YYH gets more seriously up there in the Dark Tournament and Chapter Black.)

[Sayo-chan]

...

It really doesn't seem like we're in too much of a disagreement here. I'm not arguing that characters off guard are affected more by attacks (e.g. Majin Vegeta VS. Goku). I'm merely saying that Gohan likely factored in he might get hit given that he could see the blast heading toward Vegeta as he took off. He miscalculated the attack's power, which is explicit. We both pretty much said the same thing here. The second thing is that in that other example, Goku can still fly on his own. He still has energy to spare. Vegeta, even with a hole in his chest could still stand and walk for a bit. I think it's fairly obvious that Gohan being completely drained and wounded is why he can't fly himself. He smiles at Yamcha with his eyes barely open. Your numbers are as valid as my are, however I don't believe either of our numbers are as valid as: SSJ2 Gohan <=> Super Perfect Cell. I'd also like to bring forth the notion that Cell may not have been at full strength. Every time he regenerates from an attack, he loses ki. This is said when he regenerates from Goku's Kamehameha, it's the main reason he's weakened. Now if Cell regenerates from the absolute bare minimum, we don't know if the zenkai boosted the small amount of energy he had left, or rejuvenated him.

Suzaku (Yu Yu Hakusho) VS. Piccolo Daimao

I think Suzaku's strongest attack was basically equivalent to a bolt of lightning (his biggest destructive feat was caused by an actual lightning bolt he summoned, wasn't it? Even if it was his own attack, he blew a hole in a large roof.). And the best speed feats around that time were in Hiei and Seiryu's fight, and that was like...I think I've seen it calculated to about Mach 2?

Point is, even with Suzaku's clones in the fray, Piccolo wipes 'em out with one blast.

(Unless you meant Suzuka.)

(YYH gets more seriously up there in the Dark Tournament and Chapter Black.)

Do we know how fast Piccolo Daimao is? I feel like his lightning arrows could some serious damage if they hit. They only nicked Yusuke until the end, but that doesn't really matter seeing he was already suicide from using his lifeforce.

[Captain Space]

Well, he's faster than Roshi who can catch machine-gun fire, not to mention that whole series of tricks and stuff Roshi and Krillin did at the 21st Budokai in an instant.

[Sayo-chan]

Well, he's faster than Roshi who can catch machine-gun fire, not to mention that whole series of tricks and stuff Roshi and Krillin did at the 21st Budokai in an instant.

Speaking of which:

Roshi's Heaven Palm is a lightning based attack, one he doesn't like to use due to how lethal it is. He also has a similar technique where he absorbs lightning and shoots it with his ki in episode 61.

Suzaku pretty much does the same thing as the latter, mixing lightning with his own energy. One bolt of lightning has roughly 1,000,000,000-10,000,000,000 joules. Daimao demonstrates a blasts similar to a 3.5 kiloton nuclear bomb, which has around 37,000,000,000,000 joules. This is an attack that takes him awhile to charge though. It's also, to my knowledge, unknown if Suzaku can just randomly summon lightning when it's not storming. Suzaku's own energy is probably fairly large given he's probably around a C+ demon, so I would imagine it makes the lightning arrows all the more fierce. I feel he could heavily damage Daimao based purely on these numbers, but he does seem outclassed. Maybe Old Daimao or Roshi might be better candidates.

I feel it's important to note that positively charged lightning is quite a bit stronger than negatively charged lightning, which comes from higher up in the anvil of a thunderstorm. It would take more energy to reach Suzaku as well if he weren't somewhere high up like his keep, which could theoretically make his lightning based attacks more powerful. He also isn't harmed by the lightning, which may either imply he has immunity to lightning, or simply attacks around that energy range.

[Kaboom]

Bardock (TV Special) with access to Kaioken x20 vs Oozaru Vegeta
Raditz vs Saiyan arc Chaozu and Yajirobe
And the mother of all hypothetical battles: SSGSS Ultimate Gohan (assume they stack) vs a potara fusion of Beerus and Whis

— Well we can do the math and figure out that they'd be similar in power, but there's no good way to predict who'd win a fight. Bardock is limited to quick, self-harming bursts of power while Ozaru Vegeta has a more steady power. But since Bardock is a Saiyan who often transforms himself, he'd know about the Ozaru form and its tail weakness and might be able to exploit it. Could go either way.
— If Chaozu's telekinesis abilities have any effect on Raditz, then he could paralyze him and make him an easy target for Yajirobe, and the two of them might pull it off. But I don't think it's a sure thing. I'd say they win 2 out of 3 times.
— Gohan ends up more powerful, but does what he always does when he has the edge in power: Finds a way to lose anyway.

You vs. Mr. Satan

I get my clock thoroughly cleaned, and I'm not even ashamed to admit it.

Goten vs Kid Trunks. Both are Post RoSaT and SSJ is not allowed.

Eh, I don't see the proportionate power and skill difference between them changing much. As long as neither one cheats and transforms, Trunks will win.

1. SSJ2 Goten (Pre) vs. Super Perfect Cell
2. SSJ2 Goten (Post) vs. Super Perfect Cell
3. SSJ3 Goten (Pre) vs. Fat Buu (vs. Goku)
4. SSJ3 Goten (Pre) vs. Fat Buu (vs. Goku)
5. SSJ3 Gotenks 10 Ghost Kamikazes vs. Mystic Gohan. Can Gohan block them and live?

Goten loses all his individual fights. I peg him around a third as strong as the adults, and that's enough of a difference that he won't be able to tango with Boo the way his dad did.

But Gotenks wins fight #5. The Kamikaze Ghosts are remarkably powerful, and Gohan's not so much stronger than Gotenks that he'd get hit by them without getting seriously messed up.

Vegeta(saga mecha freeza) vs Piccolo(saga mecha freeza)
Vegeta SSJ(cell games) vs Kamiccolo(cell games)

— Assuming they've both spent the past 2 years since Namek training, I'm going to say Piccolo wins easily. We saw at the onset of the fight with the Androids just what kind of insane strength gains he can quickly make.
— Vegeta wins this one, though. Piccolo didn't quite get as much out of the RoSaT overall than the Saiyans did, mostly thanks to their varied "improve Super Saiyan" shenanigans.

Goten SSJ(25 TB) vs Goku SSJ(cell games)

Goten gets his butt whooped. At most I think they could contend with Cell's initial power used against Vegeta and Future Trunks. They're not going to beat any of the Cell Games participants (except Mr. Satan).

SSJ Goten [Post RoSaT] vs SSJ Kid Gohan [CG].
SSJ Kid Trunks [Post RoSaT] vs SSJ Kid Gohan [CG].

I'm sure my outcome is predictable now. The kids both get their butts kicked by... uh, the slightly older kid.

Gohan base(android arc) vs Trunks base(android arc)
Vegeta(saga mecha freeza) vs Piccolo(saga mecha freeza)

— I'm going to say Trunks. I think they're similar in power, but Trunks has more skill and practical fighting experience.
— Didn't I just answer this one? Piccolo wins.

Goku & Vegeta (Namek) vs Ginyu & Jeice [P.S. Goku cannot use the Kaio-Ken.]

If Goku (90k) can quickly take out Jheese (40k) right off the bat, then Vegeta (30k) will be free to back him up against Ginyu (120k), and the two of them could win. But odds are Ginyu's not going to let that happen. I'd say he and Jheese win like 3 out of 5 times.

Android 19(initial) vs Goku SSJ(mecha freeza saga)

As long as he doesn't feed him any significant amount of ki, Goku turns Android 19 into scrap. I think he and 20 started out significantly weaker than Freeza, and only skyrocketed up beyond that threshold by absorbing energy from the heroes.

Dance off-
Beerus VS. Popin' 'n' lockin' Michael Jackson (Off the Wall era)

Beerus is defeated in the dance-off, which pisses him off and he destroys the Earth. So... I guess Beerus lost the battle but won the war, so to speak?

Videl vs. Kim Possible
Jackie Chun (22nd Budokai) vs. Chi-Chi ( Pre-Boo Saga DBZ )

— Kim's pretty smart and athletic, but she doesn't have super-strength or the ability to fly like Videl has. This is one straight-up fight that's not possible for her to win.
— Chi-Chi gets defeated. Her raw power level may be on par with Muten Roshi's, but she never demonstrated the aptitude for techniques that he does.

Jeice vs. Reacoom

— I think it comes down to Jheese's skill with ki blasts and possibly slightly higher power level versus Recoome's insane durability. So flip a coin.

Kid Gohan Ssj2 (Trained 7 Years) + Super Perfect Cell (Trained 7 years) vs Fat Boo (Full Power)
Teen Gohan Ssj3 (Trained 7 years) vs Super Boo
Vegeta Ssj2 Pre-Majin + Super Perfect Cell vs Goku Ssj2
Vegeta Ssj2 (BoG) vs Gotenks Ssj Post-ROST
Goku Ssj3 (BoG) vs Gotenks Ssj3 Post-ROST
Vegetto Ssj3 (BoG) vs Vegetto Ssj4 (Boo)

— I'm thinking Fat Boo would still be a bit too much for them. Gohan would probably be a good chunk above SS2 Goku or Vegeta, but I think Boo's even stronger, halfway to SS3.
— Same kind of deal as the first match. Gohan's moderately stronger than Goku is, but Evil Boo is WAY stronger. Probably multiple times so. It took an extreme "way beyond your current limits" power-up for Gohan to overpower him.
— Goku would probably get overwhelmed. It's 2-against-1, the power difference isn't all that great, and neither Vegeta or Cell are slouches when it comes to skill.
— Hard to tell. If Goten and Trunks have been slacking off for the last four years, then they and in turn Gotenks may be significantly weaker. I doubt they've dropped enough or that Vegeta's improved enough that he's stronger than them now, though.
— Goku's going to lose this one. Even if the kids and Gotenks have weakened, it's not by enough that Goku or Vegeta will be stronger than them in equal forms.
— Super Saiyan 4 Vegetto wins. Vegeta and Goku only improved moderately between Boo and Battle of Gods, and any way you slice it Super Saiyan 4 is a massive improvement over level 3.

Base Vegeta and Base Goku vs 100% Freeza
King Cold vs #19
King Cold vs Piccolo (Android Arc)
Spopovich vs Kuririn (21st Tenkaichi Budokai)

— Either one of them alone is still noticeably weaker than Freeza and would still lose, but working together they could probably pull off a win. I'd say they win 2 out of 3 times.
— Going to give it to No.19. I think he starts off a bit weaker than Cold's maximum, but Cold never struck me as much of a fighter. 19's going to be able to absorb energy from him and gain a big advantage very quickly.
— Cold get his ass whooped. In my book, Piccolo's edged out Cyborg Freeza's 100% and has caught up to the power that Super Saiyan Goku and Trunks had.
— Spopovich wins. Kuririn probably isn't stronger, and also probably doesn't have any way to overcome Spopovich's creepy damage resistance.

SSJ2 Goku, SSJ2 Gohan and Majin Vegeta vs Fat Buu.
SSJ2 Vegeta (Cell Games) vs Super Perfect Cell.
Super Janemba vs Super Buu.

— Goku specifically said that teamwork between the three of them wouldn't work, and based on what we saw from Boo I believe him. It'd take Super Saiyan 3 or Fusion to win.
— I do think Super Perfect Cell was on SS2 Gohan's level, so Vegeta's power getting doubled by SS2 isn't enough. At most it'd make him a match for Cell's pre-rebirth full power.
— Super Janemba wins, I believe. He's significantly stronger than Evil Boo (right between Ultimate Gohan and Gotenks-Boo in my view) and he's probably strong enough to figure out how to put Boo down for good, too.

Majin Vegeta SSJ2 and Goku SSJ2 vs Good Buu.

If Boo really did lose over half his power, then Goku and Vegeta have got this one. Heck, either one of them alone may be able to pull it off.

Mirai Trunks SSJ(cell games) vs Kamiccolo(cell games)

I think Trunks has enough of a power advantage that he's going to win (he and Vegeta were fighting more or less evenly with their Cell Juniors, while Piccolo seemed to be struggling), but Piccolo's going to give him a heck of a fight.

[Captain Space]

Roshi's Heaven Palm is a lightning based attack, one he doesn't like to use due to how lethal it is. He also has a similar technique where he absorbs lightning and shoots it with his ki in episode 61.

That (and the rest of your post I didn't quote simply to make mine not take up too much space) is a good point; however, it kind of makes it seem even more likely for Piccolo to win to me. If Roshi can do an attack like that--and he sure as hell has no qualms about killing Piccolo--and it'd have any real chance of working, you bet he'd use it over the Mafuuba, which will kill him even if he succeeds.

This makes it seem likely that Piccolo can easily withstand this kind of lightning attack, meaning Suzaku's trump card is probably pretty ineffective here.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

5th form Cooler vs. Android #19 (pre-Ki absorption)

[Sayo-chan]

Roshi's Heaven Palm is a lightning based attack, one he doesn't like to use due to how lethal it is. He also has a similar technique where he absorbs lightning and shoots it with his ki in episode 61.

That (and the rest of your post I didn't quote simply to make mine not take up too much space) is a good point; however, it kind of makes it seem even more likely for Piccolo to win to me. If Roshi can do an attack like that--and he sure as hell has no qualms about killing Piccolo--and it'd have any real chance of working, you bet he'd use it over the Mafuuba, which will kill him even if he succeeds.

This makes it seem likely that Piccolo can easily withstand this kind of lightning attack, meaning Suzaku's trump card is probably pretty ineffective here.

That's a good point. I also don't really think we saw the full extent of his abilities, given he's had 400 years of training in sorcery. It's a shame such a cool character was killed off so quick. I think Roshi would be the better match up here.

[Captain Space]

5th form Cooler vs. Android #19 (pre-Ki absorption)

19. They receive a vaguely similar beatdown from Goku, but the Goku that beat 19 was a good deal stronger. And if Cooler's losing, his ultimate trump card is...a big ol' ball of energy for 19 to drain.

That's a good point. I also don't really think we saw the full extent of his abilities, given he's had 400 years of training in sorcery. It's a shame such a cool character was killed off so quick. I think Roshi would be the better match up here.

Yeah, probably. In terms of speed and durability and such I'm not sure which (if either) of them has the edge. On one hand, a moonbusting Kamehameha should be able to obliterate Suzaku if Roshi can nail him with one, but that's pretty time-consuming to set up, and on the other hand, Suzaku has his clone-healing cycle which is pretty hax.

[ZombieVito]

5th form Cooler vs. Android #19 (pre-Ki absorption)

Even 4th form Cooler wins.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

How strong do you place 4th form Cooler? He seemed slightly weaker than Base Goku (unless you think he was suppressed).

[Hellspawn28]

Nam vs. Armored Titan (they are not scaled to the same size)
Arlong vs. General Blue
Jackie Chun (22nd Budokai) vs. Post-Time Skip Zaraki Kenpachi
100% Kurama Six Path Biju Sage Mode vs. Radditz

Who wins these matches?

[ahill1]

Yamcha ( 23rd Budokai ) vs Cyborg Tao
Paikuhan vs Gohan SSJ ( cell games )

[DBZAOTA482]

Yamcha ( 23rd Budokai ) vs Cyborg Tao
Paikuhan vs Gohan SSJ ( cell games )

-Yamcha wins after long, hard battle including Tao's weapons
Paikuhan

[Captain Space]

5th form Cooler vs. Android #19 (pre-Ki absorption)

Even 4th form Cooler wins.

How strong do you place 4th form Cooler? He seemed slightly weaker than Base Goku (unless you think he was suppressed).

Yeah, I'm sort of confused too. Otherwise base Goku could beat 19...?