The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[DBZAOTA482]

Kaioshin vs Imperfect Cell (Pre-absorption)

Kaioshin vs Imperfect Cell (Post-absorption)

Kaioshin vs. #16

Kaioshin vs. Semi-Perfect Cell

Kaioshin vs. "Super" Vegeta

Kaioshin loses all fights in a horrible stomp.

[LonelyShadow]

SSJ Goku + SSJ Vegeta (Buu Saga) vs Perfect Cell.
SSJ Gotenks (Pre-RoSaT) vs Kid Buu.
SSJ4 Goku (Buu Saga) vs Super Buu. (If you think that Goku is too strong for him, give Buu an absorption).
SSJ4 Goku's smirk vs Vegeta's haircut.
Legendary Full-power Ultra Super Saiyan God SS4 Broly vs Ultimate SSJ4 Gogetto.

[Lord Beerus]

I think Kaioshin is way weaker than Kamiccolo(buu saga)

Piccolo states the opposite in the manga.

Vegeta base also survived a stronger version of Buu.

Kid Boo was not stronger than Majin Boo pre-split.

[RandomGuy96]

Kaioshin vs Imperfect Cell (Pre-absorption)

Kaioshin vs Imperfect Cell (Post-absorption)

Kaioshin vs. #16

Kaioshin vs. Semi-Perfect Cell

Kaioshin vs. "Super" Vegeta

Piccolo outright stated Kaioshin was way stronger than him, using the exact same wording used to describe the difference between him and Freeza in the newest movie. Or between Tenshinhan and SS Goku back in the Android arc. Since I think post-ROSAT Piccolo is stronger than "Super" Vegeta, based on him not instantly getting pasted by a Cell Jr, Kaioshin bulldozes everyone here with no effort.

I think Kaioshin is way weaker than Kamiccolo(buu saga)

Piccolo states the opposite in the manga.

Vegeta base also survived a stronger version of Buu.

Kid Boo was not stronger than Majin Boo pre-split.

According to the Daizenshuu books, he is.

On an unrelated note... I don't think Pure Buu is actually stated or shown to be stronger than Fat Buu anywhere in the manga (unless Mr. Buu is equal to Fat Buu). Sure, Goku said he could have beaten fatty, but he said the same thing about Pure Buu, before his stamina problems were revealed (and he had a tougher body against fatso, a dead one). Kaioshin said that gaining a soul made Buu's power drop, but he could just have been referring to the power drop from Buff Buu to Fat Buu, rather than Pure Buu to Fat Buu (plus, that line wasn't in Viz...). Goku seems to handle Fat Buu easily, smiling and smacking him around and such, but tons-of-fun was smiling and smacking Goku around too. Neither seemed to be taking things seriously.

Not that Kaioshin's survival means anything either way. Fat Buu powered up several times later. He wasn't at full power when beating up Kaioshin, Dabra, and Gohan. He might not have even been at full power until his split.

[ahill1]

I think Kaioshin is way weaker than Kamiccolo(buu saga)

Piccolo states the opposite in the manga.

Vegeta base also survived a stronger version of Buu.

Kid Boo was not stronger than Majin Boo pre-split.

No he didn't; At no time Piccolo said Kaioushin is stronger than himself; Piccolo withdrew from the fight because he found out who Kaioshin was - has nothing to do with strength. Piccolo did not enter the tournament only to give up because he was not the strongest.

Piccolo (buu saga) >>> Goku (base) >> Vegeta (base) > Gohan base >> Kaioushin

[Polyphase Avatron]

Kibitoshin vs. Fat Buu?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Kaioshin vs Imperfect Cell (Pre-absorption)

Kaioshin vs Imperfect Cell (Post-absorption)

Kaioshin vs. #16

Kaioshin vs. Semi-Perfect Cell

Kaioshin vs. "Super" Vegeta

Kaioshin loses all fights in a horrible stomp.

Yeah this. I see Kaioshin as in between SS Android arc Vegeta and Android #18. Just my opinion.

Kibitoshin vs. Fat Buu

I feel if Kibitoshin was strong enough to beat Fat Boo he'd be on par with Pure Boo, but I don't see that based on him not staying to fight Pure Boo.

[supercat]

Kaioshin vs Imperfect Cell (Pre-absorption)

Kaioshin vs Imperfect Cell (Post-absorption)

Kaioshin vs. #16

Kaioshin vs. Semi-Perfect Cell

Kaioshin vs. "Super" Vegeta

Kaioshin one-shots everyone on this list. Piccolo, who should be Cell Jr-tier by the events of the Buu arc, was absolutely terrified of his mysterious opponent. One could argue that the Namekian opted out of his match as a gesture of respect, but politely throwing in the towel doesn't warrant quivering and trembling in fear.

SSJ Goku + SSJ Vegeta (Buu Saga) vs Perfect Cell.
SSJ Gotenks (Pre-RoSaT) vs Kid Buu.
SSJ4 Goku (Buu Saga) vs Super Buu. (If you think that Goku is too strong for him, give Buu an absorption).
SSJ4 Goku's smirk vs Vegeta's haircut.
Legendary Full-power Ultra Super Saiyan God SS4 Broly vs Ultimate SSJ4 Gogetto.

Either Goku or Vegeta at this point could demolish Perfect Cell with the utmost ease in my opinion. Vegeta seemed confident he surpassed a Cell-busting Gohan, so I could easily envision him putting on some gloves and casually pummeling his perfect punching bag.

Kid Buu one-shots the young warrior. I attribute the vast majority of Gotenks' confidence to his ignorance and absurdly heightened ego.

Well since SSJ Vegetto (Buu arc) apparently rivals an SSJ4 Goku who practically drank from the fountain of hax, I'm inclined to believe that Buu arc Goku, whose base form falls below Frieza, wouldn't be anything special. That said, going by the assumption that Kid Buu > /= SSJ3 Goku, and applying the commonly accepted 10x multiplier (to SSJ3), it's pretty likely that Super Buu would be obliterated.

Vegeta's haircut all the way!

Wow so many hypothetical multipliers to tack on. I'm going to take a wild guess and go with SSJ4 Gogetto.

Kibitoshin vs. Fat Buu?

Tough one. My guess is it'll be a lot closer than most people think. The way I see it, Kaioshin alone was likely a few notches above Cell Jr., considering how his presence alone was enough to turn Piccolo into a complete coward. Additionally, not only were the earrings an iconic tool for the overseers, Elder Kaioshin himself was ecstatic about promoting their usage. Factoring all of that into the equation leads me to believe that the fusion would at least yield a 3-5x increase even in the worst-case scenario.

[Galan007]

Kibitoshin vs. Fat Buu?

Tough to say.

We know that Kaioshin was significantly weaker than Dabra/Perfect Cell, significantly stronger than Piccolo, and powerful enough to fell Freeza with a single strike. That said, I think it is logical to assume his power would fall somewhere between ASSJ Vegeta and FPSSJ Goku(Cell Games)--stronger than the former; weaker than the latter. We also know that SSJ2 Gohan(who was equal to Dabra/Perfect Cell at the time) possessed just under half the power required to release Fat Boo.

From that information, one could deduce the following:
Fat Boo ~50%> SSJ2 Gohan(Boo saga) = Dabra ~ Perfect Cell > FPSSJ Goku(Cell Games) > Kaioshin.

So it really just comes down to how significantly you believe his power increased after fusing with Kibito. I mean, even though Kibitoshin was laughably overconfident with his newly acquired power at first(he thought he could contend with Boohan, lol), Elder Kaioshin did say that he was "much stronger" than before:

Spoiler:

So IF the fusion gleaned a 3-5x increase as some have estimated, then I suppose he *might* be around Fat Boo's level. However, he'd definitely still lack the means to put Boo down for any noteworthy amount of time. Eventually he would start to fatigue. Boo wouldn't(infinite stamina and whatnot.)

In a nutshell: Boo wins.

[ZombieVito]

Kaioshin vs Imperfect Cell (Pre-absorption)

Kaioshin vs Imperfect Cell (Post-absorption)

Kaioshin vs. #16

Kaioshin vs. Semi-Perfect Cell

Kaioshin vs. "Super" Vegeta

Kaioshin one shots everyone here. He is CG SSJ Goku tier.

New fights:

Chaoz [No telekinesis] vs King Chappa.
Yamcha vs King Chappa.

Both during the 22nd TB.

[ahill1]

Kaioshin vs Imperfect Cell (Pre-absorption)

Kaioshin vs Imperfect Cell (Post-absorption)

Kaioshin vs. #16

Kaioshin vs. Semi-Perfect Cell

Kaioshin vs. "Super" Vegeta

Kaioshin one shots everyone here. He is CG SSJ Goku tier.

New fights:

Chaoz [No telekinesis] vs King Chappa.
Yamcha vs King Chappa.

Both during the 22nd TB.

I have Kaioshin way weaker than Kamiccolo(buu saga)

1) Chaozu wins; he was able to maintain a fighting against Krillin

2)Yamcha wins with the same ease with which Goku made

[LonelyShadow]

Either Goku or Vegeta at this point could demolish Perfect Cell with the utmost ease in my opinion. Vegeta seemed confident he surpassed a Cell-busting Gohan, so I could easily envision him putting on some gloves and casually pummeling his perfect punching bag.

I don't really know how much did the two Saiyans improved during the 7 years time skip other than getting the new transformations, that's why I threw both of them against Cell, in Goku's case, I'm sure that he got stronger than Gohan in any form, even with his rage boost whatever, but I wasn't sure if he actually was stronger than Cell at 100%, Vegeta seemed to train very hard, but he didn't have as much motivation as before. In my opinion, one of them has a very good chance against Cockroach, 2 of them secures the kill.

Kid Buu one-shots the young warrior. I attribute the vast majority of Gotenks' confidence to his ignorance and absurdly heightened ego.

I agree with Gotenks' ego having a higher volume than his SSJ3 hair, make it post-RoSaT then. If SSJ Gotenks (pre) wasn't as strong or comparable to SSJ3 Goku that would mean that Majin Buu wasn't SSJ3 tier at all, either he was twice as weak as Goku during that time or Goku was like: "Yeah, I'm completely sure they can beat him Sure..."

(Goku's secret wish for everyone to die and give him company in the afterlife, revealed.)

Well since SSJ Vegetto (Buu arc) apparently rivals an SSJ4 Goku who practically drank from the fountain of hax, I'm inclined to believe that Buu arc Goku, whose base form falls below Freeza, wouldn't be anything special. That said, going by the assumption that Kid Buu > /= SSJ3 Goku, and applying the commonly accepted 10x multiplier (to SSJ3), it's pretty likely that Super Buu would be obliterated.

In order to make a comparison between these two, how weak Goku was compared to Ultimate Gohan? Did anyone ever come to a conclusion that was generally accepted?

Vegeta's haircut all the way!

I'm sorry, but Vegeta's hair was inconsistent. At the start of the series it looked like brand-new broom, by the time baby made it to planet Earth his hair looked like the Broom was pretty old, we can argue if the creators of GT repented about the initial design and decided to change it, but that only proves that the hair isn't something noteworthy if they are just going change it that easily. The fans were just shocked seeing how much did he changed, and after that nobody cared. The story repeated itself in a minor way when BoG was released, Vegeta's hair was changed slightly compared to the Android/Buu sagas and a few people was all like: "Oh no!", but it only lasted for a few days.

Goku's smirk is almost part of the trademark that made the Super Saiyan 4 so popular, I would refer to that as a brand. Just like McDonald's' golden arches.

Wow so many hypothetical multipliers to tack on. I'm going to take a wild guess and go with SSJ4 Gogetto.

I forgot about the "Ascended" multiplier, If this was "Video game Broly" he'd wreck, also, in this case he's a SS3 not SS4, my mistake.
Then again, Video game Broly > Many strong characters.

[Galan007]

SSJ Goku + SSJ Vegeta (Buu Saga) vs Perfect Cell.
SSJ Gotenks (Pre-RoSaT) vs Kid Buu.
SSJ4 Goku (Buu Saga) vs Super Buu. (If you think that Goku is too strong for him, give Buu an absorption).

Team wins. By the time of the Boo saga, SSJ Goku would probably be on par with Perfect Cell, if not slightly more powerful, given that he was > Gohan(Cell Games.) Vegeta, on the other hand, was significantly weaker than Goku prior to receiving the Majin amp--so I think he would be < Cell, but still powerful enough to run interference.

Pure Boo wins. Gotenks lacks the means to cause any lasting damage.

If we're using the 10x multiplier for SSJ4, then Goku wins. Imo, SSJ3 Gotenks/Super Boo were no more than 8x> SSJ3 Goku.

[ahill1]

SSJ Goku + SSJ Vegeta (Buu Saga) vs Perfect Cell.
SSJ Gotenks (Pre-RoSaT) vs Kid Buu.
SSJ4 Goku (Buu Saga) vs Super Buu. (If you think that Goku is too strong for him, give Buu an absorption).

1) Perfect Cell still wins; Piccolo said Majin Vegeta was perhaps stronger than Gohan (cell games); Perfect Cell is considerably stronger than SSJ Gohan (cell games) - Perfect Cell > SSJ Goku (Buu saga) > SSJ Gohan (cell games)

2) Goku said Gotenks SSJ (pre rosat) would be stronger than himself; then Gotenks SSJ(pre rosat) wins

3) I think Super Buu wins easily; I have SSJ4 10x stronger than SSJ3 and Super Buu 1,250x stronger than Goku SSJ3

[Galan007]

and Super Buu 1,250x stronger than Goku SSJ3

[AvatarReiko]

1.) Base Future Trunks(Android Saga) vs Pre-SSJ Goku(Against Namek Frieza)
3.) MSSJ Goku(CG) vs Androids 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 & 18
2.) MSSJ kid Gohan vs ASSJ Vegeta, ASSJ Trunks, Piccolo(Post-ROSAT)
3.) SSJ2 Vegeta(Pre-Majin) & SS2 Goku(Buu Saga) vs Mr Buu
4.) Kid Buu vs SSJ Gotenks(POST-ROSAT)

- Unlimited Fusion time
- The Boys are not messing around

[ZombieVito]

1.) Base Future Trunks(Android Saga) vs Base Goku(Namek Freeza)
3.) MSSJ Goku(CG) vs Androids, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 & 18
2.) MSSJ kid Gohan vs ASSJ Vegeta, ASSJ Trunks, Piccolo(Post-ROSAT)
3.) SSJ2 Vegeta(Pre-Majin) & SS2 Goku(Buu Saga) vs Mr Buu
4.) Kid Buu vs SSJ Gotenks(POST-ROSAT)

- Unlimited Fusion time
- The Boys are not messing around

1) Goku wins because of experience and techniques,
2) Goku stomps them all.
3) Gohan stomps them all.
4) Mr.Buu stomps both of them.
5) Gotenks does no better than Vegeta. Kid Buu slaughters.

[AvatarReiko]

1.) Base Future Trunks(Android Saga) vs Base Goku(Namek Freeza)
5) Gotenks does no better than Vegeta. Kid Buu slaughters.

Could you elborate on this? Isn't SSJ Gotenks Pre supposed to rival SSJ3 Goku? How can Gotenks POST possibly do worse than Vegeta, who was no where near that level?

[ZombieVito]

1.) Base Future Trunks(Android Saga) vs Base Goku(Namek Freeza)
5) Gotenks does no better than Vegeta. Kid Buu slaughters.

Could you elborate on this? Isn't SSJ Gotenks Pre supposed to rival SSJ3 Goku? How can Gotenks POST do worse than Vegeta, who was no where near that level?

Gotenks was stated in Daizenshuu 7 to need the RoSaT to surpass Vegeta.

I also don't have Gotenks getting multiple times stronger in just 2 weeks. He's a bit above Vegeta as a SSJ.

[AvatarReiko]

Gotenks was stated in Daizenshuu 7 to need the RoSaT to surpass Vegeta.

But he was stated by Goku to be powerful enough to defeat Fat Buu and Piccolo never disagreed. I'm pretty sure the manga itself supersedes any other sources.

I don't have Gotenks getting multiple times stronger in just 2 weeks.

Goku went from a power level of 8000-90,000(180.000 with Kaioken) just one weeks training and a Zenkai.