The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Captain Space]

It's from an anime comic, not the GT Perfect Files.

Do you have a source/proof for that? I don't want to doubt you but if it is a misconception it must be a deeply-rooted one because I've heard it a lot.

New matches:

Chaozu (Freeza Arc End) x 3 Saibamen
Chaozu (Android Arc) x Guldo

Yamcha (Freeza Arc End) x Nappa
Yamcha (Android Arc) x Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)

Tenshinhan (Freeza Arc End) x Dodoria or Zarbon (can transform)
Tenshinhan (Android Arc) x Captain Ginyu (no body swap)

Krillin (Freeza Arc End) x Recoome
Krillin (Android Arc) x Captain Ginyu (no body swap)

Post-Kaio's training, I give Chaozu at least even odds against the trio.
Hard to say. Chaozu's more likely to go for the telekinesis right off the bat, but he might still be at a power disadvantage.

Given Kaio's training...again, at least 50/50.
Almost certainly Yamcha.

Given what he did to Cell, Tenshinhan for both his matches.

Krillin for sure (given his performance against Freeza) on both his matches.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Do you have a source/proof for that? I don't want to doubt you but if it is a misconception it must be a deeply-rooted one because I've heard it a lot.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 41#p612841

It is a misconception. People keep assuming it's from the Perfect Files, so when other people see that they go with it. It's not from the Perfect Files.

[LonelyShadow]

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 41#p612841

It is a misconception. People keep assuming it's from the Perfect Files, so when other people see that they go with it. It's not from the Perfect Files.

Does that make the statement of: Super Vegetto ≥ SSJ4 Goku less valid in any way? I'm fairly sure that many people know where does the comparison comes from.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Can't say. I'd need Herms to clarify. As far as I'm aware, the Perfect Files are from the writers/creators of the show, while that anime comic tidbit isn't. I certainly don't follow it, but one can if they choose to.

[Captain Space]

Do you have a source/proof for that? I don't want to doubt you but if it is a misconception it must be a deeply-rooted one because I've heard it a lot.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 41#p612841

It is a misconception. People keep assuming it's from the Perfect Files, so when other people see that they go with it. It's not from the Perfect Files.

Ah, thanks for that.

Can't say. I'd need Herms to clarify. As far as I'm aware, the Perfect Files are from the writers/creators of the show, while that anime comic tidbit isn't. I certainly don't follow it, but one can if they choose to.

That does seem like valid logic (the Perfect Files being more valid in regards to GT than the anime comic), but yeah...now in my mind both versions (the version I've been using based on this that assumed "the greatest ki I've ever felt" about Baby doesn't include Goku's time as Vegetto and/or isn't talking about where his own ki has ever been; or the version that ignores this Vegetto comparison and straight-up has that form of Baby above everything before it) have basically equal weight...ah, I dunno.

[LonelyShadow]

Can't say. I'd need Herms to clarify. As far as I'm aware, the Perfect Files are from the writers/creators of the show, while that anime comic tidbit isn't. I certainly don't follow it, but one can if they choose to.

I see... That's very interesting, since that's the only straight comparison between a character from Z and GT in any "official" media I guess I keep taking it as "canon".

[nickzambuto]

Super Vegetto vs Golden Freeza.

Is the power gap small enough that Vegetto can last until Freeza putters out? Keep in mind Vegetto's martial arts and strategic skills and not just raw strength. Presumably, he would also have the will power of Goku and Vegeta combined, which should make him one tough cookie to put down.

[Doctor.]

Super Vegetto vs Golden Freeza.

Is the power gap small enough that Vegetto can last until Freeza putters out? Keep in mind Vegetto's martial arts and strategic skills and not just raw strength. Presumably, he would also have the will power of Goku and Vegeta combined, which should make him one tough cookie to put down.

No, it is not small enough. Even if you think Vegetto can't use SS3, there's still a significant difference between SS Vegetto and SSG Goku. And then there's another gap between SSG and SSGSS and a medium-sized gap between SSGSS and Golden Freeza. Vegetto would get destroyed immediately unless Freeza, like, slaps Bulma.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Freeza. Utter stomp.

[Angelus]

Majin Yakon and Pui Pui VS ASSJ Future Trunks (post-1st day ROSAT)-- no light-eating or blowing up of planets

[Khin]

Majin Yakon and Pui Pui VS ASSJ Future Trunks (post-1st day ROSAT)-- no light-eating or blowing up of planets

Trunks one shots even without the ROSAT training,Yakon and Pui Pui got there asses kicked by base Saiyans who are weaker than Frieza pre training


1: SSJ2 Vegetto(Buu Saga) vs. SSJ4 Goku(GT) and SSJ4 Vegeta(GT)
2: SSJ3 Gotenks vs. SSJ2 Gogeta
3: MSSJ Goku,MSSJ Gohan,ASSJ Vegeta,ASSJ Trunks and Piccolo(all in the Cell Games) vs. Perfect Cell
4: Pure Buu vs. Grey Buu
5: 10% Beerus vs. SSJ3 Vegetto
6: Rage Vegeta(Super) vs. U.Gohan(Buu Saga)
7: Majin Vegeta vs. Movie 10 LSSJ Broly
8: Majin Spopovich vs. Chi Chi
9: Tagoma,Sorbet and Shisami vs. Dodoria,Kewi and Zarbon
10:SSGSS Gogeta vs. Whis and Beerus
Will Whis need his time rewind ability to defeat Gogeta? or him and Beerus is enough

[Angelus]

Let's give this another try XD

Buu Arc SSJ3 Goku (in Otherworld body) VS Good/Mr. Buu (absorbed Buu Arc Piccolo, Post-ROSAT SSJ Kid Goten and Trunks, Android 17 and 18, Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu, Pikkon, and Olibu) -- no candy beams, any more absorbing, Tribeams/Kienzans, Solar Flares, or planet busting

Base Future Trunks (first appearance) VS Majin Yakon

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

1: SSJ2 Vegetto(Buu Saga) vs. SSJ4 Goku(GT) and SSJ4 Vegeta(GT)
2: SSJ3 Gotenks vs. SSJ2 Gogeta
3: MSSJ Goku,MSSJ Gohan,ASSJ Vegeta,ASSJ Trunks and Piccolo(all in the Cell Games) vs. Perfect Cell
4: Pure Buu vs. Grey Buu
7: Majin Vegeta vs. Movie 10 LSSJ Broly

1. Vegetto loses horribly. He'd need Super Saiyan 3 to match regular SS4 Goku, SS4 surpassed limits Goku or SS4 Vegeta would slaughter any Vegetto.
2. Gogeta loses. I personally see him being less than 2x Gotenks, so there's no way he'd trump a 4x boost.
3. Cell was confident in taking them all on, so he wins. All of them are pretty much one-shot fodder.
4. Gray Boo is ~60% of Fat Boo, who's weaker than Pure Boo.
7. Vegeta wins in my opinion. I see LSS Broly being the movie-equivalent of 'Super' Perfect Cell.

[DBZAOTA482]

Majin Yakon and Pui Pui VS ASSJ Future Trunks (post-1st day ROSAT)-- no light-eating or blowing up of planets

Trunks slays them both.

1: SSJ2 Vegetto(Buu Saga) vs. SSJ4 Goku(GT) and SSJ4 Vegeta(GT)
2: SSJ3 Gotenks vs. SSJ2 Gogeta
3: MSSJ Goku,MSSJ Gohan,ASSJ Vegeta,ASSJ Trunks and Piccolo(all in the Cell Games) vs. Perfect Cell
4: Pure Buu vs. Grey Buu
5: 10% Beerus vs. SSJ3 Vegetto
6: Rage Vegeta(Super) vs. U.Gohan(Buu Saga)
7: Majin Vegeta vs. Movie 10 LSSJ Broly
8: Majin Spopovich vs. Chi Chi
9: Tagoma,Sorbet and Shisami vs. Dodoria,Kewi and Zarbon
10:SSGSS Gogeta vs. Whis and Beerus
Will Whis need his time rewind ability to defeat Gogeta? or him and Beerus is enough

1. Team 2 overkill
2. Gotenks...?
3. Cell slaughters them all
4. Gray Boo stomps
5. Vegetto
6. Vegeta
7. Vegeta stomps. Broly is weaker than Cell and Majin Vegeta is even stronger than SSJ2 Gohan (who was on par with Cell)
8. The gap between Spopovich and Chi-Chi is bigger than the one between the Cell Juniors and SSJ2 Gohan. One hit and Spopo is go-go.
9. Shisami solos
10. Beerus and Whis with effort

[LonelyShadow]

Lord Slug vs Second form Freeza
Full-power Bojack vs Broly (movie 8)
SSJ3 Krillin (Heroes) vs Omega Broly

[Lord Beerus]

Buu Arc SSJ3 Goku (in Otherworld body) VS Good/Mr. Buu (absorbed Buu Arc Piccolo, Post-ROSAT SSJ Kid Goten and Trunks, Android 17 and 18, Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu, Paikuhan, and Olibu) -- no candy beams, any more absorbing, Tribeams/Kienzans, Solar Flares, or planet busting

Base Future Trunks (first appearance) VS Majin Yakon

- SSJ3 Goku still takes this
- Trunks ends this quickly

Lord Slug vs Second form Freeza
Full-power Bojack vs Broly (movie
SSJ3 Krillin (Heroes) vs Omega Broly

- If this Old Lord Slug, Freeza stomps. If this is Lord Slug in his prime, he kicks Freeza ass
- Bojack decimates Broly
- SSJ3 Krillin. Not even the strength can Omega Broly can step up to the might of SSJ3 Krillin.

[nickzambuto]

Super Saiyan Mr. Satan vs Master Roshi.

[Lord Beerus]

Super Saiyan Mr. Satan vs Master Roshi.

The Champion Of Earth has got this in the bag.

[DBZAOTA482]

Super Saiyan Mr. Satan vs Master Roshi.

SSJ is enough of a boost to give even Mr. Satan an edge over Muten Roshi, but Satan doesn't have the experience to take down a master of a hundred years like Roshi even with a power advantage.

[DBZAOTA482]

Mr. Satan (Cell Games) vs. Spike Spiegel