The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[DBZAOTA482]

Bulchi (Bulma + Chi-Chi Metamora fusion) vs. Ludel (Videl + Lunch Potara fusion)

[KentalSSJ6]

Golden Freeza VS Super Yi Xing Long.

[DBZAOTA482]

Golden Freeza VS Super Yi Xing Long.

Yi Xing Long is Yi Xing Gone.

[Lord Beerus]

Bulchi (Bulma + Chi-Chi Metamora fusion) vs. Ludel (Videl + Lunch Potara fusion)

Bulchi horrifically stomps Ludel

[Captain Space]

Bulchi (Bulma + Chi-Chi Metamora fusion) vs. Ludel (Videl + Lunch Potara fusion)

Bulma, Videl and Lunch are all average human to not far above average human. Chi-Chi is waaaaay above that. Bulchi wins easily.

Golden Freeza VS Super Yi Xing Long.

Even with all the dragons' abilities and Freeza's stamina drain, I see the gap between them as being far too big, in Freeza's favour. (I've been re-thinking about the whole GT/god-stuff thing recently and I still have SSJ4 Gogeta equal with final form RF Freeza at best, barely above 10% Beerus at worst. But, that's all opinion-based of course.)

[supercat]

Super Vegetto vs Golden Freeza.

Is the power gap small enough that Vegetto can last until Freeza putters out? Keep in mind Vegetto's martial arts and strategic skills and not just raw strength. Presumably, he would also have the will power of Goku and Vegeta combined, which should make him one tough cookie to put down.

Frieza one-shots without exerting any effort whatsoever.

The following is where I personally place each of Frieza's forms come FnF.

First Form Frieza = Super Buu (at least SSJ3-tier)
Second Form Frieza = Buutenks (possibly Buuhan-tier)
Third Form Frieza = SSJ Vegetto (either a few notches higher or lower)
Final Form Frieza = Could treat SSJ Vegetto as one-shot material
Golden Frieza = 80% of Beerus

Golden Freeza VS Super Yi Xing Long.

Frieza trounces the Shadow Dragon with little to no difficulty. The latter's inability to neutralize Goku and Vegeta was a strong enough indicator for me that he wasn't that far ahead of them. Sure he gave them a massive beating, but when all was said and done, they were still alive and well. Frieza on the contrary, would probably consider wiping out a duo of SSJ4's a casual walk in the park that requires zero effort on his end.

[KentalSSJ6]

Personally I give it to Yi Xing Long. I see SSJ4 Gogeta being the only one from GT capable of fighting Beerus. Yi Xing Long is weaker than Gogeta but Freeza is also weaker than Beerus.

Yi Xing Long has the abilities of all the other dragons, including regeneration. Not to mention he doesnt have the stamina problem Freeza has in the gold form. Not sure if Yi Xing Long can survive in a vacuum though but if he can, his diverse arsenal and superior stamina should be all he needs to outlast Freeza till the gold form makes his strength drop like a rock.

[Angelus]

Bulchi (Bulma + Chi-Chi Metamora fusion) vs. Ludel (Videl + Lunch Potara fusion)

Ludel wins easily. Guys, remember that for Metamoran Fusion Dance to work, both people must have equal power levels. So Chi Chi's power level needs to get lowered down to Bulma's level. Bulma is an average human. This is basically just two Bulma's fusing but with Chi Chi's moves thrown in there.

Lunch is above average human, so is Videl. Videl will have to lower her power level very slightly to match Lunch's. As such, Ludel wins this easily.

Since we're on fusions... here's one:

End of Z Chiaotzu + Yajirobe Potara Fusion VS End of Z Yamcha

[nickzambuto]

Piccolo, Shishami, and Kaioshin all vs Dabura King of the Demon Realm.

[nickzambuto]

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End of Z Chiaotzu + Yajirobe Potara Fusion VS End of Z Yamcha

Since Chiaotzu and Yaj aren't anything even close to rivals, they wouldn't get the Potara boost that Vegetto did. Although I'm not entirely sure on how Potara works since there's debate on it, if they get the boost just from the earrings than Chiaotrobe definitely wins, if they don't get a boost because they aren't rivals and it's just Chiaotzu + Yajirobe, than Yamcha can pull off a win.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Piccolo, Shishami, and Kaioshin all vs Dabura King of the Demon Realm.

Shisami rivals Zarbon, Kaioshin is weaker than Yakon (IMO), and Piccolo has no reason to be close to Dabra. Dabra one-shots all of them.

[supercat]

Piccolo, Shishami, and Kaioshin all vs Dabura King of the Demon Realm.

I have Piccolo comparable to the upper-tiered contenders of the Cell Games, and Kaioshin a few notches higher than that. As for Shisami, based on his little scuffle with Piccolo, logic dictates that the two of them are likely on par with one another. In theory, we have three fighters stronger than Perfect Cell going up against someone who could be also be in that same realm of strength, or at the most has a 2x advantage over each individual.

When all is said and done, I'm giving this to team 1; Dabura was unable to trounce a weaker opponent, despite having a sword at his disposal.

[LightBing]

Bulchi (Bulma + Chi-Chi Metamora fusion) vs. Ludel (Videl + Lunch Potara fusion)

Bulma and Chi-Chi fail to fuse, since they can't control their ki to be equal, Chi-Chi yells "screw this"! A kicks Ludel in the gut, finish the fight with a chop to the neck.

End of Z Chiaotzu + Yajirobe Potara Fusion VS End of Z Yamcha

Probably Yamcha... Potara has different effects: Old Kai + Old Witch and Goku + Vegeta. The resulting fusion might even make them weaker, Yajirobe can't use ki, could that pass along if he get's dominance? Yeah, I give it to Yamcha, even if he might have lost some power, he should win.

Piccolo, Shishami, and Kaioshin all vs Dabura King of the Demon Realm.

Kaioshin paralyses Dabura, while the other two charge attacks to end the King of the Demon Realm.

[nickzambuto]

Piccolo, Shishami, and Kaioshin all vs Dabura King of the Demon Realm.

Kaioshin paralyses Dabura, while the other two charge attacks to end the King of the Demon Realm.

You think Dabura could cough out some stone spit while paralyzed?

[Noah]

Personally I give it to Yi Xing Long. I see SSJ4 Gogeta being the only one from GT capable of fighting Beerus. Yi Xing Long is weaker than Gogeta but Freeza is also weaker than Beerus.

Yi Xing Long has the abilities of all the other dragons, including regeneration. Not to mention he doesnt have the stamina problem Freeza has in the gold form. Not sure if Yi Xing Long can survive in a vacuum though but if he can, his diverse arsenal and superior stamina should be all he needs to outlast Freeza till the gold form makes his strength drop like a rock.

Not really. SSJ4 Gogeta is the only who can fight Whis, I think he would defeat Beerus with 50% of his unseen full power.


New matches:

- Base Goku (EoZ) x Base Vegeta (EoZ)
- Base Vegeta (RoF) x Ultimate Gohan (Boo Arc)
- Golden Freeza x SSJG Goku (BoG)
- King Vegeta x Bardock
- Krillin (RoF) x First Form Freeza (Namek Arc)
- Mutenroshi (RoF) x Nappa
- SSJ3 Goku (GT) x Super Janemba and Hirudegarn
- Tien (RoF) x First Form Freeza (Namek Arc)

[LightBing]

Piccolo, Shishami, and Kaioshin all vs Dabura King of the Demon Realm.

Kaioshin paralyses Dabura, while the other two charge attacks to end the King of the Demon Realm.

You think Dabura could cough out some stone spit while paralyzed?

It's possible, Kaioshin paralyzed Gohan for just a moment,and he was immediately stabbed by Yamu. So we don't know the extent of the technique and if Gohan could've tried to resist it. Dabura is weaker than Gohan by a good margin, so maybe the effectiveness of the technique would detain him from spitting.

[supercat]

Piccolo, Shishami, and Kaioshin all vs Dabura King of the Demon Realm.

Kaioshin paralyses Dabura, while the other two charge attacks to end the King of the Demon Realm.

You think Dabura could cough out some stone spit while paralyzed?

Those metamorphosis inducing techniques have long become a thing of the past. Personally, I feel including them in hypothetical battles saps all the beauty out of conventional hand to hand combat. I always prefer to envision characters going at it the old fashioned way, instead of instantly winning through some unappealing hax. In any case, even from an out-of-universe standpoint, they struck me as single-use cheap shots that weren't meant to linger around. The only way things like Candy Beam and Dabura's spit would be able to stick around long term is if they were somehow necessitated for a turning point --something I personally don't see happening in the near future.

[Captain Space]

Personally I give it to Yi Xing Long. I see SSJ4 Gogeta being the only one from GT capable of fighting Beerus. Yi Xing Long is weaker than Gogeta but Freeza is also weaker than Beerus.

Yi Xing Long has the abilities of all the other dragons, including regeneration. Not to mention he doesnt have the stamina problem Freeza has in the gold form. Not sure if Yi Xing Long can survive in a vacuum though but if he can, his diverse arsenal and superior stamina should be all he needs to outlast Freeza till the gold form makes his strength drop like a rock.

Not really. SSJ4 Gogeta is the only who can fight Whis, I think he would defeat Beerus with 50% of his unseen full power.

Careful about preceding an opinion ("I think [opinion on comparison between BoG/RF stuff and GT stuff]") with something that makes it sound like you're refuting something with a fact ("Not really."). Kind of devalues the other person's viewpoint on what is far from a clear-cut or resolved issue.

Bulchi (Bulma + Chi-Chi Metamora fusion) vs. Ludel (Videl + Lunch Potara fusion)

Ludel wins easily. Guys, remember that for Metamoran Fusion Dance to work, both people must have equal power levels. So Chi Chi's power level needs to get lowered down to Bulma's level.

Ah man, I stand corrected--didn't even notice the different fusion types.

New matches:

- Base Goku (EoZ) x Base Vegeta (EoZ)
- Base Vegeta (RoF) x Ultimate Gohan (Boo Arc)
- Golden Freeza x SSJG Goku (BoG)
- King Vegeta x Bardock
- Krillin (RoF) x First Form Freeza (Namek Arc)
- Mutenroshi (RoF) x Nappa
- SSJ3 Goku (GT) x Super Janemba and Hirudegarn
- Tenshinhan (RoF) x First Form Freeza (Namek Arc)

-Goku, the revised ending has Vegeta's final dialogue implying Goku is still ahead of him.
-Vegeta isn't much less powerful than an SSJG. Gohan is much, much less powerful than an SSJG. Vegeta wins.
-Hmm, probably Freeza? They'll both lose power after a while, Goku's will plateau out but Freeza's will keep dropping...still, his advantage is such that he'll have already won by then, I'd imagine.
-TV special/anime version: Bardock. Manga/Minus version: King Vegeta.
-Krillin, pretty sure.
-Apparently Roshi was much stronger here due to training, and it wasn't just that he fought especially weak henchmen, so...I guess Roshi.
-Given that he was able to go toe-to-toe with them at a time when his SSJ3 was about equal with what his base is here, Goku in SSJ3 obliterates them (GT seems to somehow acknowledge at least some movie stuff so he probably remembers their weaknesses too).
-Tenshinhan, definitely.

Those metamorphosis inducing techniques have long become a thing of the past. Personally, including them in hypothetical battles saps all the beauty out of conventional hand to hand combat, as I prefer to envision characters going at it the old fashioned way. In any case, even from an out-of-universe standpoint, they struck me as single-use cheap shots that weren't meant to linger around. The only way things like Candy Beam and Dabura's spit would be able to stick around long term is if they were somehow necessitated for a turning point --something I personally don't see happening in the near future.

Whether or not you find them inelegant or distasteful, the characters do possess those abilities (or did while they were alive) and there's absolutely no reason for them not to use them unless otherwise specified.

[nickzambuto]

Kaioshin paralyses Dabura, while the other two charge attacks to end the King of the Demon Realm.

You think Dabura could cough out some stone spit while paralyzed?

Those metamorphosis inducing techniques have long become a thing of the past. Personally, I feel including them in hypothetical battles saps all the beauty out of conventional hand to hand combat. I always prefer to envision characters going at it the old fashioned way, instead of instantly winning through some unappealing hax. In any case, even from an out-of-universe standpoint, they struck me as single-use cheap shots that weren't meant to linger around. The only way things like Candy Beam and Dabura's spit would be able to stick around long term is if they were somehow necessitated for a turning point --something I personally don't see happening in the near future.[/quote]
I disagree, I think unique techniques like that offer a lot more tactical potential rather than a single numbers game of who has more ki, and that makes things more interesting.

[supercat]

Those metamorphosis inducing techniques have long become a thing of the past. Personally, including them in hypothetical battles saps all the beauty out of conventional hand to hand combat, as I prefer to envision characters going at it the old fashioned way. In any case, even from an out-of-universe standpoint, they struck me as single-use cheap shots that weren't meant to linger around. The only way things like Candy Beam and Dabura's spit would be able to stick around long term is if they were somehow necessitated for a turning point --something I personally don't see happening in the near future.

Whether or not you find them inelegant or distasteful, the characters do possess those abilities (or did while they were alive) and there's absolutely no reason for them not to use them unless otherwise specified.

You're missing the point. Let's assume half of these hypothetical fights actually came to fruition. Do you realize just how anticlimactic it would be if multiple characters were uneventfully reduced to a statue or a piece of candy on a regular basis? Resorting to such techniques once or twice keeps things interesting, but to drag them into every battle is redundant and monotonous at best. Might as well lump them into the same category as Babidi / Bibidi --a powerless wizard who only relies on magic.

When characters close in power are pitted against each other, the most practical assumption is that the original poster is seeking a strength-based discussion.

I disagree, I think unique techniques like that offer a lot more tactical potential rather than a single numbers game of who has more ki, and that makes things more interesting.

Is there a particular reason why my previous post is showing up in your message and not inside the quote brackets...? Not to mini-mod, but that honestly looks really sloppy.

Incorporating different techniques would certainly spice things up, but the extent of improvement would be heavily dependent on the types of techniques executed. Personally, I find nothing appealing about turning someone into a piece of candy.