The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[In Brightest Day]

A new set of fights:

- Chaozu (Buu arc) vs. Jaco, Roshi (Resurrection F) and Tarble.
- Cooler vs. SSJ Son Goku (Namek).
- Cyborg Tao (post-training under Kami) vs. 1 Saibaman.
- Dabura vs. SSJ Future Trunks (vs. Imperfect Cell).
- Gine vs. Yajirobe (Saiyan arc).
- SSJ Son Gohan (25th Budokai) vs. SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks and Piccolo (Cell Games).

[ZombieVito]

A new set of fights:

- Chaozu (Buu arc) vs. Jaco, Roshi (Resurrection F) and Tarble.
- Cooler vs. SSJ Son Goku (Namek).
- Cyborg Tao (post-training under Kami) vs. 1 Saibaman.
- Dabura vs. SSJ Future Trunks (vs. Imperfect Cell).
- Gine vs. Yajirobe (Saiyan arc).
- SSJ Son Gohan (25th Budokai) vs. SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks and Piccolo (Cell Games).

Chaoz raises his hand and Jaco, Roshi and Tarble disintegrate.
Cooler in his 5th form wins.
Tao was only 4 units stronger than Kuririn at BoZ. He should reach 1,500 at least. He wins.
Dabura is SSJ2 tier. He one shots.
Gine wins after a hard fight.
Gohan might have trouble because his skills are rusty. If he gets serious he one shots them all.

New fight:

Non Majin SSJ2 Vegeta [Buu arc] vs Kibitoshin [no magic].

[Sayo-chan]

1: Mr.Satan vs. Bruce Lee

This is just insulting to Bruce's legacy. He was first and foremost a martial artist, regardless of what your own personal convictions towards him are.

Bruce Lee VS. Mr. Satan

As for the match ups, Satan's quite literally the opposite of Lee. The former is a flashy catch-wrestler whereas the latter is utilitarian, a utilitarian that also took lessons from the Gene LeBell. So automatically I'd place his grappling abilities ahead of Mark's.

Also, which Bruce Lee are we talking about? The 165lbs and continuing to bulk up Bruce Lee? Or the one that slimmed down to 135 pounds to emphasize on speed and acceleration to accommodate his fluidity? Let's assume the latter. Robert Wall was 6'2" and 202 pounds during his role as O'hara in Enter the Dragon. The kick Bruce delivers here at 2:18 is entirely real, after eight takes. Wall claims it was a hard hit, but he knew how to take a hit, unlike the guy behind him, whose arm broke from the impact of the kick.

So how strong was he? Strong enough to take down someone like Mr. Satan, but there's a bit of myth surrounding this. Lee wasn't superhuman. The guy failed his physical for the U.S. Army Draft Board after all. He was genetically gifted in certain ways, which with great diet and exercise allowed him to get the most of his body. His gym card from 1965 isn't impressive at all, but there's not much context to it. That may've been the point he decided to focus on leaning down. Mr. Satan's an avid cigar smoker that clearly doesn't diet properly. In fact, he didn't even break all the plates he was smashing down at the Cell Games arena. Hell, he hurt his hand, whereas Lee had commonly practiced on metal dummies to strengthen his hands.

The way it stands, we have a skilled grappler fighting a likely even more skilled grappler that's studied dozens of martial arts. Satan's size doesn't do him any favors either. I mean, he could win. It's just not in his favor. Now, take someone like Cell. Cell stands something like 6'7" with a thick armor covering his body. Take away ki, and he'd still be the victor at the Cell Games. Cell > Bruce Lee > Satan.

Rousey VS. Videl

I really, really don't like Rhonda Rousey. If her advocacy of cancerous foods coming from Carl's Jr. is any indication of her diet (and based off some of the news I read last week, it isn't far off), then Videl's already at a plus. Her clinches are hardly comparable to Videl's raw power. In fact, much of Rousey's skills cater to the sport rather than street fighting. Videl's simply stronger, faster and far more versatile a martial artist. And if that isn't enough, the fact she kicked a guy the size of Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime's head around 180 degrees is more than enough proof. Why is Videl even being compared to this greenhorn? She could probably take down any real person.

[Captain Space]

Continued from this post.

Hypothetically, say the units read from all of the scouters in the series were in indecipherable, some alien unit + number we didn't know, and Bulma never fixed the scouter to have normal readings. So we couldn't determine power gaps in the series (i,e; not knowing Saiyan arc Vegeta is 2.25x Goku, not knowing 1st form Freeza is 12x Nail, not knowing Raditz is 3-4x Goku, not knowing Goku when arriving on Namek is 1.33x weaker than Ginyu (since we couldn't divide his Kaioken x2 by a number), etc..). Or simply put, there were no scouter readings, and no supplemental guidebook information on battle powers. Who do you think would win these fights?

1. Vegeta (Saiyan arc; Great Ape) vs. Captain Ginyu
2. Piccolo (Arrival on Namek) vs. Nail
3. Gohan (Saiyan arc; has the will to fight) vs. Raditz
4. Chaozu (Saiyan arc) vs. Goku and Piccolo (Beginning of Z)
5. Goku (Saiyan arc; Kaioken x3) vs. Zarbon (Beautiful)

1. Ginyu, just by way of continual serial threat escalation.
2. Piccolo, Nail was impressed by his power, and that could mean any number of things admittedly but it's all we have to go on.
3. Gohan's full power should be at least as high as the humans' here; if they can beat a Saibaman, he can beat Raditz.
4. All we know about Chaozu here is that he's surpassed Kami, which Goku and Piccolo did five years ago, so Chaozu loses rather hard (his telekinesis can only affect one person at a time anyway).
5. I'd have expected them to be not too far apart, with maybe Zarbon as the eventual victor, not just due to Goku's limited time with Kaioken use, but because he's at least a bit stronger than Dodoria probably, who's a good deal stronger than the guy Goku's x3 knocked around (and Goku's advantage we assume wasn't too massive, or Vegeta wouldn't have been able to produce an attack that required x4 to overcome).

1: Mr.Satan vs. Bruce Lee
2: Videl vs. Ronda Rousey
3: Base Vegeta(FNF) vs. Tired Golden Freeza
4: Vegeta(vs.Freeza),Ginyu,Gohan(vs.Freeza),Krillin(vs.Freeza) and Jeese vs. 1rst Form Freeza
5: Goku's Genki Dama against Pure Boo vs. Beerus
6: SSJ2 Gotenks vs. SSJ Gogeta
7: SSJ Vegeta(Post ROSAT 1rst Time) vs. Imperfect Cell
8: Beerus,SSGSS Goku and SSGSS Vegeta vs. Whis
9: ASSJ Vegeta(Cell Games) and ASSJ Mirai Trunks(Cell Games) vs. SSJ Goten(Pre ROSAT) and SSJ Trunks(Pre ROSAT)
10: Mecha Freeza vs. 5th Form Cooler

1. Logically, I don't know. But the 12-year-old boy in me says Bruce Lee.
2. Videl's flight should be a significant enough advantage to win.
EDIT: Sayo-chan's post above seems a pretty good summation of these first two actually.

3. I'd imagine Freeza (I think if he lost enough power for this Vegeta to win, he'd actually revert to his non-golden form).
4. Vegeta was almost as strong as Freeza already here (they were deadlocked, the only indication of a gap was Vegeta being more tired after the clash), so I imagine with all this help on Vegeta's side, Freeza would lose.
5. Buu almost pushed it back, so I guess Beerus could do so pretty easily; even if you add Goku's full power to it, that's a pretty small addition compared to Beerus.
6. Gogeta, I guess, but I don't really have too much to back this one up.
7. I'd guess Vegeta, on the basis that grade 2 probably isn't too much more of a boost than Cell's Semi-Perfect form was, so I reckon he was already above Imperfect Cell in SSJ to surpass him by that much.
8. So sort of the equivalent of two and a bit Beerus'. I think Whis wins with some trouble.
9. Goten and Trunks, I see them as having a sort of natural/instinctive FPSSJ (which, much like them having SSJ in the first place, is kinda cheap, but it makes more sense to me than placing them lower).
10. Both got stomped by Yardrat Goku or equivalent...then again Freeza also got stomped by someone not even as strong as that...so I guess maybe Cooler?

Mr. Satan vs. Bulma

Spoiler:

A new set of fights:

- Chaozu (Buu arc) vs. Jaco, Roshi (Resurrection F) and Tarble.
- Cooler vs. SSJ Son Goku (Namek).
- Cyborg Tao (post-training under Kami) vs. 1 Saibaman.
- Dabura vs. SSJ Future Trunks (vs. Imperfect Cell).
- Gine vs. Yajirobe (Saiyan arc).
- SSJ Son Gohan (25th Budokai) vs. SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks and Piccolo (Cell Games).

-I see Chaozu as in RF-Roshi (i.e. several-thousand-power Roshi)'s level, so add in Jaco and the team wins. Tarble doesn't do crap.
-Cooler wins just barely.
-Given what I imagine the gap between Tao and Yamcha must be at the 23rd, the Saibaman wins just barely. (Of course, there's also the possibility that Tao just doesn't take to Kami's training at all...)
-Dabura, easy.
-If we assume Raditz and Nappa represent the variance in power among average saiyan warriors, and that all Yajirobe did was surpass Kami and then sit around on his ass for the rest of the year, I don't see Yajirobe beating a Saibaman (or Raditz therefore), or coming anywhere close. Now, Gine would also be below the Raditz-low-end, but I don't see her as being, like...way below three times lower (since BoZ Goku and Piccolo were at least three times below Raditz, and they surpassed Kami five years earlier). So I guess Gine?
-Gohan, but not as easily as he'd like (not too difficult though).

New fight:

Non Majin SSJ2 Vegeta [Buu arc] vs Kibitoshin [no magic].

Vegeta was generally considered less fodder/useless to send against any form of Buu, even when outmatched, that Kibitoshin was, so Vegeta.

[Lord Beerus]

Goku (Saiyan Arc) vs Godzilla (Millenium Series)

Madara Uchiha vs Piccolo Daimao (Both in Prime)

Tao Pai Pai vs Rob Lucci

Yamcha (22nd Budokai) vs Ranma Saotome

- Goku fries the giant lizard and then eats him for dinner
- Piccolo one shots
- Tao Pai Pai stomps horribly
- Yamcha wins easily.

[voltlunok]

Goku (Saiyan Arc) vs Godzilla (Millenium Series)

Madara Uchiha vs Piccolo Daimao (Both in Prime)

Tao Pai Pai vs Rob Lucci

Yamcha (22nd Budokai) vs Ranma Saotome

UGH this is hard...like...hmmmm. On one hand Goku was pretty much ineffective against Great Ape Vegeta whom Godzilla is bigger then (I'd also argue more durable then as well.), on the other Goku has Kaio-ken but even then...I'm gonna say after a very long and hard fight, Goku pulls out a win by the skin of his teeth, only because this is Millenium Series Godzilla and they didn't have as many feats as his brothers. If this was Heisei Godzilla, I'd already be making funeral arrangements for Goku cause maaaaaaaaaan the Big G is absurd in the Heisei series.

Madara, he has too much mind fuckery and stuff for Daimao to have much of a chance.

I actually don't know who Rob is so I yield to others on this.

Which Ranma? If male, Yamcha wins. If Female, Yamcha has a mild bit of uncomfortableness and gets thwacked in the head while he oggles Fem Ranma and loses.

[Kamiccolo9]

Goku (Saiyan Arc) vs Godzilla (Millenium Series)

Madara Uchiha vs Piccolo Daimao (Both in Prime)

Tao Pai Pai vs Rob Lucci

Yamcha (22nd Budokai) vs Ranma Saotome

UGH this is hard...like...hmmmm. On one hand Goku was pretty much ineffective against Great Ape Vegeta whom Godzilla is bigger then (I'd also argue more durable then as well.), on the other Goku has Kaio-ken but even then...I'm gonna say after a very long and hard fight, Goku pulls out a win by the skin of his teeth, only because this is Millenium Series Godzilla and they didn't have as many feats as his brothers. If this was Heisei Godzilla, I'd already be making funeral arrangements for Goku cause maaaaaaaaaan the Big G is absurd in the Heisei series.

The other issue is that there is no one Millennium Godzilla, since the Millennium movies aren't connected, aside from the Kiryu films. He doesn't have a consistent chronology in the series like Showa or Heisei Godzilla, and unlike them (well, Heisei, at least) his feats aren't consistent, which makes sense, considering it's not the same monster in each film.

Giving a composite M. Godzilla some credit, though, he's the one who was shooting meteors out of space, taking meteors to the face, and blowing up black holes. I don't see Goku doing that.

[Absolute Ice]

Super Saiyan 3 adolescent Son Gohan vs Super Saiyan 3 Xeno Trunks.

[nickzambuto]

Super Saiyan 3 adolescent Son Gohan vs Super Saiyan 3 Xeno Trunks.

Trunks powered up quite a bit in Xenoverse. He and the Time Warrior defeated Perfect Cell, and later they went so far as to impress Beerus and Whis, both without even going Super Saiyan 2. Trunks takes this without question, in particular the Cell fight is most quantifiable. Gohan needed SSJ2 to beat Cell, he and Goku teaming up as SSJ1s would have lost, meaning Trunks' SSJ1 is substantially more powerful, unless you think the Time Warrior was doing most of the fight and Trunks was just dead weight. But then we have the Beerus and Whis test implying Trunks and the Time Warrior are equals.

[Captain Space]

Super Saiyan 3 adolescent Son Gohan vs Super Saiyan 3 Xeno Trunks.

Trunks powered up quite a bit in Xenoverse. He and the Time Warrior defeated Perfect Cell, and later they went so far as to impress Beerus and Whis, both without even going Super Saiyan 2. Trunks takes this without question, in particular the Cell fight is most quantifiable. Gohan needed SSJ2 to beat Cell, he and Goku teaming up as SSJ1s would have lost, meaning Trunks' SSJ1 is substantially more powerful, unless you think the Time Warrior was doing most of the fight and Trunks was just dead weight. But then we have the Beerus and Whis test implying Trunks and the Time Warrior are equals.

The Cell thing is fair enough, but Trunks basically is all but dead weight in the Beerus and Whis fight, you vastly out-level him by that point IIRC and he tends to die reeeally quick.

[Absolute Ice]

Well, when I said "adolescent" I mean Buu saga, and you choose whether he is from the beginning or from the end. xD (Son Gohan at the Cell Games to me is still a kid, since he is 9).

[In Brightest Day]

@CaptainSpace; in regards to Tarble, I see a trend that generally doesn't paint him in the greatest light. I'm unsure if it's his passive demeaner or simply an out of universe "Vegeta having a younger brother doesn't make sense" thing, but shouldn't being able to give Avo and Cado some trouble (two guys who rival 1st form Freeza individually) at least put him above Jaco and Roshi in terms of power if nothing else?

[jamiljamtheman]

Has anyone already asked Meta-Cooler vs Golden Frieza yet? Would Cooler's regeneration abilities and more stamina due to being a robot make it at least an even fight, or would Golden Frieza just destroy him instantly since he can hold his own against saiyan "god" power?

[Darkprince410]

Has anyone already asked Meta-Cooler vs Golden Freeza yet? Would Cooler's regeneration abilities and more stamina due to being a robot make it at least an even fight, or would Golden Freeza just destroy him instantly since he can hold his own against saiyan "god" power?

I can't imagine the Big Gete Star being able to generate a version of Coola powerful enough to handle Golden Freeza. We saw that its response to Goku and Vegeta taking out the one Meta Coola was create hundreds of duplicate versions of it rather than making one further upgraded version. In terms of resources, that seems extremely inefficient if it were able to simply make one more powerful than the one that was destroyed, so I think the Meta Coola that Goku and Vegeta managed to take out was potentially the extent of how powerful they could be made.

[ahill1]

Luffy ( vs Rob Lucci ) vs Son Goku ( 22nd Budokai )

Actual Luffy vs Son Goku ( 23rd Budokai )

South Kaioshin vs Gohan SSJ ( buu saga 25th Budokai )

[Bullza]

Goku 23rd Budokai with the Power Pole. He's not allowed to fly or use Ki attacks.

Vs

Kratos with his Athena Blades and Hermes running shoes only. He is able to be killed.

[Lord Beerus]

Luffy ( vs Rob Lucci ) vs Son Goku ( 22nd Budokai )

Actual Luffy vs Son Goku ( 23rd Budokai )

South Kaioshin vs Gohan SSJ ( buu saga 25th Budokai )

- Luffy gets his ass kicked.
- Luffy loses badly, again.
- Kaioshin wins with mild difficulty

[DBZAOTA482]

Rock Lee vs. 23rd Budokai human fighters

1. King Chappa
2. Chiaotzu
3. Yajirobe
4. Chi-Chi
5. Cyborg Tao
6. Yamcha
7. Krillin
8. Tien

Note: He can't use the open gates unless he's at a disadvantage.

[Captain Space]

@CaptainSpace; in regards to Tarble, I see a trend that generally doesn't paint him in the greatest light. I'm unsure if it's his passive demeaner or simply an out of universe "Vegeta having a younger brother doesn't make sense" thing, but shouldn't being able to give Avo and Cado some trouble (two guys who rival 1st form Freeza individually) at least put him above Jaco and Roshi in terms of power if nothing else?

Ah yeah, I always forget about that. In any case, I think it makes more sense if they just kicked him around for a bit and then some third party intervened to give him a chance to escape (or outside events, or their own arrogance). Because otherwise, either:

-Tarble has always been at not too far off 1st form Freeza's power. That's insane; that level of power was basically untouchable to the saiyans back then. If Tarble had been so naturally powerful, there's no way he'd simply be banished and forgotten about. Or...

-Tarble was pretty weak while on planet Vegeta, but after being banished trained until he was at nearly 530,000 power. Given that in all their life, the most gifted warriors of the entire saiyan race never even came close to that, I would find this extremely hard to believe.

(I dunno, maybe Tarble or his wife have incredible psychic powers they learnt on her planet or something XD)

[Lord Beerus]

Rock Lee vs. 23rd Budokai human fighters

1. King Chappa
2. Chiaotzu
3. Yajirobe
4. Chi-Chi
5. Cyborg Tao
6. Yamcha
7. Krillin
8. Tenshinhan

Note: He can't use the open gates unless he's at a disadvantage.

Part 1 Rock Lee doesn't make it past Chi Chi, even with if he uses the Eight Gate.
Part 2 Rock Lee would clear the list, in my opinion. He's far more proficient and effect in using the Eight Gates in Part 2 of Naruto, that I think he would speed blitz everyone.