The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Captain Space » Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:02 pm

nickzambuto wrote:Here's a question: if Piccolo at the end of the series flicked Freeza from the Namek arc in the same fashion that Beerus flicked Goku, what would happen?

A) Minor damage.
B) Severe damage.
C) Instant death.
D) Freeza's head explodes.

When Fukkatsu was first announced I remember seeing a fan comic of Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo yelling "oh no Freeza's back!" then realizing how weak Freeza is now and just having Piccolo flick his head off. I'm wondering if that's actually realistic, or if the strength difference wasn't THAT huge.

And here's a question; how much stronger than someone else do you need to be in order to finger flick them? Even Nappa was punching the Dragon Team, and Reccoome on Namek deemed Krillin worthy of a kick. Even when Perfect Cell no-sold Vegeta's kick straight to the neck, he still retaliated with strikes and not flicks, and Vegeta didn't even die. So a strength difference must be a lot more massive than just no-selling level in order to finger flick.
Interesting question. I dunno, he could layer a thin ki bolt behind it and put a hole through Freeza's brain, but that's not really what you're asking.

I mean, hmm.

EoZ Piccolo > Buu Saga Piccolo > Cell Games Piccolo > Kamiccolo ~ #17 > SSJ Vegeta >= android arc Goku > Yardrat Goku > first-appearance Trunks > Mecha-Freeza > Freeza

Hmm. Honestly, probably, yeah, Freeza would die if Piccolo wanted him to. The difference is way higher than any of those examples you gave.
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Post by Doctor. » Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:20 pm

Piccolo would flick Freeza's head off, yea. The only reason Beerus didn't do the same thing to Goku, even though the difference between the two is arguably higher, is because he didn't really want to, same reason he didn't kill Bulma and co.

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Post by AvatarReiko » Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:19 pm

Very good question. After contemplating it, I would say would say yes. I mean, 17 took Piccolo out with two hits in their first encounter and the between Namek Frieza & EOS Piccolo is much, much bigger. At very least, could KO him with a finger flick to the head.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:42 pm

Battle of the "normals":

Mr. Satan vs. Nam vs. King Chappa vs. Bora
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Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:55 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Battle of the "normals":

Mr. Satan vs. Nam vs. King Chappa vs. Bora
Mr Satan gets knocked out first easily. Then King Chappa gets taken out. Bora and Nam then duke it out, with Bora coming out on top as he was strong enough to able to throw both Yajirobe and Goku far above the clouds and tank bullets.

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Post by Sandubadear » Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:55 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Battle of the "normals":

Mr. Satan vs. Nam vs. King Chappa vs. Bora
King Chapa stomps. I would put Mr. Satan as second place.
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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:59 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Battle of the "normals":

Mr. Satan vs. Nam vs. King Chappa vs. Bora
Chappa >>> Bora >/?/< Nam >>> Satan

Mark dies before he has the chance to do anything, and then Chappa kills Nam and Bora before they have the chance to do anything.

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Post by Doctor. » Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:04 pm

Why would Bora be stronger than Namu?

Chappa wins easily regardless. Panputto would be a better match.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:58 pm

nickzambuto wrote:Here's a question: if Piccolo at the end of the series flicked Freeza from the Namek arc in the same fashion that Beerus flicked Goku, what would happen?

A) Minor damage.
B) Severe damage.
C) Instant death.
D) Freeza's head explodes.

When Fukkatsu was first announced I remember seeing a fan comic of Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo yelling "oh no Freeza's back!" then realizing how weak Freeza is now and just having Piccolo flick his head off. I'm wondering if that's actually realistic, or if the strength difference wasn't THAT huge.

And here's a question; how much stronger than someone else do you need to be in order to finger flick them? Even Nappa was punching the Dragon Team, and Reccoome on Namek deemed Krillin worthy of a kick. Even when Perfect Cell no-sold Vegeta's kick straight to the neck, he still retaliated with strikes and not flicks, and Vegeta didn't even die. So a strength difference must be a lot more massive than just no-selling level in order to finger flick.
Yes, Piccolo should be able to do that. Tao Pai Pai impaled Blue with his tongue and he was at a minimum twice as strong as him.

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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:11 pm

Zombie wrote:Yes, Piccolo should be able to do that. Tao Pai Pai impaled Blue with his tongue and he was at a minimum twice as strong as him.
Do you mean maximum?

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Post by ZombieVito » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:48 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:
Zombie wrote:Yes, Piccolo should be able to do that. Tao Pai Pai impaled Blue with his tongue and he was at a minimum twice as strong as him.
Do you mean maximum?
No.

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Post by Angelus » Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:09 am

100% Final Form Frieza VS Krillin + Tien Potara Fusion and Yamcha + Chiaotzu Potara Fusion (No paralysis, Kienzan, or Tribeam. The humans are all during the Cell Games)

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Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:48 am

Buucollo Vs SSj3 Gotenks-serious fight. No games.

Piccolo Babidi arc vs Dabura

fat buu pre mr satan incident vs super buu base

Buuhan Beerus absorbed vs Whis

ssj1 goku vs ssj2 gohan. Both from the Babidi saga.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:Buucollo Vs SSj3 Gotenks-serious fight. No games.

Piccolo Babidi arc vs Dabura

fat buu pre mr satan incident vs super buu base

Buuhan Beerus absorbed vs Whis

ssj1 goku vs ssj2 gohan. Both from the Babidi saga.
Buuccolo is basically a smarter Super Buu. Look at the end of the fight when Gotenks is serious, he's wrecking Buu; Gotenks wins easily.

Uh...Dabura by a long way, Piccolo's nowhere near SSJ Gohan's level, right?

Super Buu for sure. Goku and maybe SSJ1 Gotenks could take fat Buu easily, but neither of them were enough to beat Super Buu.

Gohan, the gap between them wasn't that crazily large.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:02 am

Captain Space wrote:
LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:Buucollo Vs SSj3 Gotenks-serious fight. No games.

Piccolo Babidi arc vs Dabura

fat buu pre mr satan incident vs super buu base

Buuhan Beerus absorbed vs Whis

ssj1 goku vs ssj2 gohan. Both from the Babidi saga.
Buuccolo is basically a smarter Super Buu. Look at the end of the fight when Gotenks is serious, he's wrecking Buu; Gotenks wins easily.

Uh...Dabura by a long way, Piccolo's nowhere near SSJ Gohan's level, right?

Super Buu for sure. Goku and maybe SSJ1 Gotenks could take fat Buu easily, but neither of them were enough to beat Super Buu.

Gohan, the gap between them wasn't that crazily large.

I'd put piccolo at last slightly above ssj2 adult gohan from Babidi saga . Also anime ssj1 buu saga goku fought mystic gohan's clone,manga wise he' still very OP. I don't think gohan could fight him. what about the whis vs buuhan one?
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Post by Captain Space » Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:13 am

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:
I'd put piccolo at last slightly above ssj2 adult gohan from Babidi saga . Also anime ssj1 buu saga goku fought mystic gohan's clone,manga wise he' still very OP. I don't think gohan could fight him. what about the whis vs buuhan one?
Piccolo was considered weaker than the saiyans by Dabura, who hadn't even seen them transform. And a probably-even-weaker SSJ1 Gohan in RF was still stronger than Piccolo. There's nothing to suggest Piccolo was even a match for any kind of FPSSJ.

Anime does a lot of crazy things for Goku. Not canon by a long shot, and even if it was, illusory clone means very little. What is there in anything canonical that could possibly suggest Goku having cracked SSJ2 tier in SSJ1 by the Buu saga, much less Piccolo?!

Forgot about the Whis one, um...I guess that's just basically Whis vs. Beerus with Buu's abilities, Buuhan's power is relatively insignificant. Whis should win.
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Post by Khin » Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:04 am

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:Buucollo Vs SSj3 Gotenks-serious fight. No games.

Piccolo Babidi arc vs Dabura

fat buu pre mr satan incident vs super buu base

Buuhan Beerus absorbed vs Whis

ssj1 goku vs ssj2 gohan. Both from the Babidi saga.
-Gotenks still wins,Piccolo's streght is such a non factor and it just made him smarter so Gotenks still have the power advantage.
-Dabra turns Piccolo into stone,even without that ability,Dabra still flicks Piccolo's head off.
-Super Buu sneezes in Fat Buu's direction and he disintegrates.
-Buuhans strengh such is a non factor,And Whis is also not a dumb guy who would fall to Buuhan's tricks so Whis spanks him the same how Beerus spanks Gotenks in BOG.
-Gohan has the power advantage here but Goku have the skill,I'd say a 60/40 chance in favor to Gohan.
LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:I'd put piccolo at last slightly above ssj2 adult gohan from Babidi saga . Also anime ssj1 buu saga goku fought mystic gohan's clone,manga wise he' still very OP. I don't think gohan could fight him. what about the whis vs buuhan one?
-Even 6 years after the Buu Saga,Piccolo was still having a hard time against a guy who got one shotted by SSJ Gohan
-Anime does a lot of nonsense things,we had MSSJ Goku got beaten by a non full Power Perfect Cell and then later,In his Base form we can see him fight on par with someone who one shotted Super Perfect Cell,And his SSJ form matches that guy at his full power.If we go by Anime in Cell Saga we got.

Piccolo<MSSJ Trunks<MSSJ Vegeta<Piccolo<Cell Jrs.<MSSJ Goku<MSSJ Gohan<Perfect Cell<Super Perfect Cell<SSJ2 Gohan<Base Goku<Paikuhan<MSSJ Goku<Paikuhan

And by Buu Saga we got.

Good Buu<Grey Buu<Fat Buu<SSJ3 Goku<SSJ Gotenks<Super Buu<SSJ3 Gotenks<Ulimtate Gohan<SSJ Goku=SSJ Vegeta<Buutenks<Buuhan<Vegetto<SSJ2 Vegeta<Good Buu<Kid Buu<SSJ3 Goku,

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:43 pm

Supremacy of the strongest with no ki:

Chi-Chi vs. Yajirobe (23rd Budokai)
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DBZAOTA482 wrote:Supremacy of the strongest with no ki:

Chi-Chi vs. Yajirobe
They both have ki. Every living being has ki. Anyway, Yajirobe stomps. He was stated to be stronger than Kami, and Weekly Jump gave him a battle power of 970.
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Post by Lunatic Fringe » Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:58 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Supremacy of the strongest with no ki:

Chi-Chi vs. Yajirobe (23rd Budokai)
Yajirobe. I don't see Chi-Chi being able to take out Cymbal, who Yajirobe had little difficulty taking down.

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