The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Captain Space]

And Beerus has 10 times the power available to him that he would've been able to beat Vegetto alone with. So I'm gonna say Beerus wins with ridiculous ease.

I was just wondering if Majin Boo broken regeneration could have some effect in this battle and him having absorbed full power Vegetto, Gohan, Gotenks and Piccolo I wouldn't say that is "plus a little bit extra power" Beerus one shotted SSJ3 Goku (that was no match for Super Boo) without effort using less than 1% of his full power... How much power would Beerus need to defeat this Ultimate Boo?

By "plus a little bit" I meant to Vegetto, not to Buu. Super Buu, Gohan, Gotenks, and Piccolo all added together aren't gonna be all that much compared to SSJ3 Vegetto, right?

I estimated Beerus as using about 5% against Goku, but that this was so far above Goku's level that he knew even Vegetto probably wouldn't win.

Hence, in this match-up, 10% at most, maybe less. And while Buu's regeneration would help, with that kind of gap between them it wouldn't give Beerus a real problem.

New matches:

Note: Since Toriyama stated that the androids could get stronger if they train, what if:

- Android 17 (1 day spent on RoSaT) x Perfect Cell

- Android 18 (1 day spent on RoSaT) x SSJ Goku (Cell Games)

- Android 17 (2 days spent on RoSaT) x SSJ2 Gohan (Boo Arc)

- Android 18 (2 days spent on RoSaT) x SSJ Vegeta (Boo Arc)

My take on it is that they have a separate artificial power supply, and a normal human BP of about 5-ish (which generally isn't able to be sensed, especially if there's a bunch more people around and some of them are super-powerful). If they train, they raise that human power level in the same way any of the human fighters did at the start of their training.

So it would take them a few years to even get that into the thousands, let alone to make it start making a difference to their baseline android power.

Buuut that's just my theory, and may not be the case.

[Angelus]

SSJ Future Gohan (one armed) VS Androids Saga pre-fusion Piccolo, Krillin, Tien, Yamcha -- no Kienzan, Tribeam, Special beam cannon, whistling

22nd WMAT Roshi + Crane Hermit Potara Fusion (with rival boost) VS Jeice

[ZombieVito]

SSJ Future Gohan (one armed) VS Androids Saga pre-fusion Piccolo, Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha -- no Kienzan, Tribeam, Special beam cannon, whistling

22nd WMAT Roshi + Crane Hermit Potara Fusion (with rival boost) VS Jeice

Piccolo alone is enough to beat this Gohan.
I have this fusion at 12,000. Jeice murders.

[nickzambuto]

22nd WMAT Roshi + Crane Hermit Potara Fusion (with rival boost) VS Jeice

Interesting. If we roll with the Super Exciting Guide's statements (I BELIEVE it was from the Super Exciting Guide) that the Potara boost is as much as multiplication, and we already know that Roshi at his peak is 180, Crane Hermit would need to be at LEAST 223 just to break 40,000, which is where Jeice is generally considered to float around. We know Crane Hermit isn't that strong since Tenshinhan confirmed Jackie Chun to be stronger than him, but could a rival boost make up the difference? The two definitely had a very strong rivalry that dated back for centuries, so I would like to give the Turtle Crane the benefit of the doubt.

The next question is skill, and in that area I feel Jeice is at a disadvantage. No one in the Ginyu Force was a particularly outstanding fighter besides Ginyu himself. I do believe all Saiyans just naturally surpass everyone from Dragon Ball in skill, even Raditz would have the edge on Roshi, but Raditz is also more skilled than the Ginyu Force. The Turtle Crane would have all the combined knowledge and experience of Roshi and Shen; that's 600+ years of combat, mastery of pressure points, and hax techniques like hypnosis and the lightning thing.

It would be an incredibly hard battle since their sheer power might not exactly match up, but I feel like the Turtle Crane can pull a win.

[Kamiccolo9]

22nd WMAT Roshi + Crane Hermit Potara Fusion (with rival boost) VS Jeice

Interesting. If we roll with the Super Exciting Guide's statements (I BELIEVE it was from the Super Exciting Guide) that the Potara boost is as much as multiplication, and we already know that Roshi at his peak is 180, Crane Hermit would need to be at LEAST 223 just to break 40,000, which is where Jeice is generally considered to float around. We know Crane Hermit isn't that strong since Tenshinhan confirmed Jackie Chun to be stronger than him, but could a rival boost make up the difference? The two definitely had a very strong rivalry that dated back for centuries, so I would like to give the Turtle Crane the benefit of the doubt.

The source you are citing said that Vegetto was "Goku x Vegeta," not the Potara itself. So, assuming it meant that Vegetto was "Goku's BP x Vegeta's BP," the "rival boost" would already be considered in that equation.

[Noah]

Since SSJ Gohan is stated to be stronger than SSJ Goku in Cell Games, so is his base?

I mean: Base Gohan (CG) > Base Goku (CG)?

[ahill1]

Yamcha(saiyan saga) Vs Raditz

[Captain Space]

Yamcha(saiyan saga) Vs Raditz

I guess it takes Yamcha a little longer to win than it did for him to beat the Saibaman, but he still should win, he won that fight really quickly and Raditz should be on roughly/vaguely the same level as one of those.

Since SSJ Gohan is stated to be stronger than SSJ Goku in Cell Games, so is his base?

I mean: Base Gohan (CG) > Base Goku (CG)?

Logically, yes.

[nickzambuto]

22nd WMAT Roshi + Crane Hermit Potara Fusion (with rival boost) VS Jeice

Interesting. If we roll with the Super Exciting Guide's statements (I BELIEVE it was from the Super Exciting Guide) that the Potara boost is as much as multiplication, and we already know that Roshi at his peak is 180, Crane Hermit would need to be at LEAST 223 just to break 40,000, which is where Jeice is generally considered to float around. We know Crane Hermit isn't that strong since Tenshinhan confirmed Jackie Chun to be stronger than him, but could a rival boost make up the difference? The two definitely had a very strong rivalry that dated back for centuries, so I would like to give the Turtle Crane the benefit of the doubt.

The source you are citing said that Vegetto was "Goku x Vegeta," not the Potara itself. So, assuming it meant that Vegetto was "Goku's BP x Vegeta's BP," the "rival boost" would already be considered in that equation.

I see, thank you. In that case Turtle Crane is just too outmatched in power, even a minor BP difference like Piccolo's 3,500 to Nappa's 4,000 puts the weaker character into oneshot territory. Unfortunately Turtle Crane's skill will only take him so far at a power difference this large.

[LightBing]

Piccolo, Trunks and Goten (All from DBS) vs Suppressed Perfect Cell (versus Goku)

Base Goku (DBS) vs Lord Slug

[ZombieVito]

Piccolo, Trunks and Goten (All from DBS) vs Suppressed Perfect Cell (versus Goku)

Base Goku (DBS) vs Lord Slug

Very hard to know. I have this Cell in between the kids and Piccolo is catching up to them. Cell is also a very skilled fighter while the kids are not. The team wins after a hard and long fight.

Goku one shots.

[nickzambuto]

Piccolo, Trunks and Goten (All from DBS) vs Suppressed Perfect Cell (versus Goku)

Base Goku (DBS) vs Lord Slug

Piccolo has to be catching up to Cell by this point, and since the kids are likely much stronger than Androids by this point, they should make decent distractions AKA Vegeta against SPC. But is that enough to overcome Cell's regeneration? And who's more skilled between him and Piccolo? Team has the advantage in that Piccolo is a bit smarter than Cell even at Cell's best, and most of the time Cell is arrogant so he's not at his best, but then again his regeneration is so very hax... I give it to the team. Cell was never the most mentally fortified character; he had a weak will, basically. The team will outlast him.

[Noah]

Since SSJ Gohan is stated to be stronger than SSJ Goku in Cell Games, so is his base?

I mean: Base Gohan (CG) > Base Goku (CG)?

Logically, yes.

Sometimes I think that different multipliers could be an idea, but yeah it would be messy

[dbzfan7]

Piccolo, Trunks and Goten (All from DBS) vs Suppressed Perfect Cell (versus Goku)

Base Goku (DBS) vs Lord Slug

Cell has some trouble with the boys, but it's not something he can't handle. He easily dispatches Piccolo. Piccolo isn't even worth noting anymore, and I take that as his power not really going anywhere drastic. Likely above what it was at the Cell games, but nothing that is worth noting apparently. Cell wins.

Goku takes this no problem.

[ahill1]

Piccolo(android arc pre kami) vs Goku SSJ(post yardrat)

[Lord Beerus]

Piccolo(android arc pre kami) vs Goku SSJ(post yardrat)

Goku wins pretty easily.

[DBZAOTA482]

Piccolo(android arc pre kami) vs Goku SSJ(post yardrat)

Piccolo wins with mid diff.

[Noah]

Piccolo(android arc pre kami) vs Goku SSJ(post yardrat)

It is absurd to me to think that Piccolo has improved more than 50x in only 3 years, so Goku as SSJ would take this easily.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Piccolo(android arc pre kami) vs Goku SSJ(post yardrat)

Piccolo flattens Goku. Even sick SS Goku would easily beat post-Yardrat Goku in my opinion.

[LightBing]

Piccolo(android arc pre kami) vs Goku SSJ(post yardrat)

0%/100% - Piccolo has no chance whatsoever. Maybe Goku let's him punch enough times to cause a light rash.