How come they didn't bring Gohan to fight Kid Buu?

[Zephyr]

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...really helps in an argument of which Buu is stronger.

But it's all really simple. With Super Buu, Goku was scared shitless and had to rely on the kids' power to deal with Buu as long as possible. Once Kid Buu appeared, Goku was able to take him. You can throw out the scene in the anime that explicitly states that Kid Buu is stronger, but that's filler and doesn't have much bearing.

[Hitiro]

Since when was it stated that you can't sense anyone’s power from the Kai's planet that isn't on SSJ3 level? Goku is extremely good at tracking people’s powers, one of his best moves is reliant on it. Kaioushin didn't even notice Buu or Gotenks was missing until Goku mentioned it - according to your argument, wouldn't that imply they weren't even on SSJ3 tier?

He's inferring that when Gotenks went SSJ for the first time outside the RoSaT that his powerlevel was SSJ3 tier as he sensed it. Then Goku says after he sensed Buu's ki disappear. As Goku is not all knowing he didn't know Buu had entered the RoSaT, so he was probably assuming somebody beat him. But then Goku makes the comment that he can't sense Gotenks' energy either. Because he was also in the RoSaT, Goku couldn't sense Gotenks either. So no, his argument is quite valid. They were at or close to SSJ3 tier as a SSJ before they entered the RoSaT.

LOL, except for Goku and Kaioushin mentioning him becoming stronger.

Except that never happens. Goku only mentions him becoming stronger when he becomes the Buff Boo(South Kaioshin absorbed). Goku was actually worried with his power increasing but then when he turned into Pure Boo(Kid Boo) he was all "Yes! We did it! This way we can manage something!" so where did all that worry go from later? The answer is after he turned into the Buff Boo his power did increase but then when he changed into Pure Boo his power decreased.

So I went back and read my incorrectly translated scans - it simply didn't happen like that (or in that order):

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5

THEN -
Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P13.5

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P2.3-7, P3.3

And finally -

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P3.4-6


^notice Goku NEVER SAYS A WORD. Only Vegeta comments and it's purely in relation to size, not power (as your own translation noted) Why do you keep arguing this?

I don't notice anything because those links don't work. This is another reason why we don't use bad sources. They can be taken down whenever or not seen by us. And Again, why are you using incorrect translations? They aren't accurate. Also, please refrain from rolling your eyes. Its disrespectful. I'm surprised you have been given so many chances to curve your attitude.

[Amuro Ray]

Wow, you are pretty arrogant. Vegeta survived because Pure Boo was toying with him. Vegeta didn't try to run away. Do you not recall SSJ Gohan trying to run away from Fat Boo only to almost die? There is a difference. Gotenks escaped from being killed by Fat Boo. Vegeta was saved by Mr. Satan and Fat Boo plus the Genki Dama. We can assume Gotenks is stronger than Goku, Vegeta and Gohan because Goku wouldn't have suggested it otherwise. And he wouldn't have thought that Gotenks should be able to beat Fat Boo with SSJ. Anybody can see that my viewpoint has merit, please don't come on here trashing somebody else's viewpoint. This is why you've been warned by the admin's so many times. You're behaviour is uncalled for.

We didn't see the fight, you can't assume that Buu wasn't playing around with them, or if he really wanted to kill them. He was certainly powerful enough to do so - you're arguement just doesn't make sense.
You said exactly what I was saying the first place he says "I don't think," this implies uncertainty. The first time he actually says outright he can't beat him because he was hiding SSJ3. The second time he's like "I don't know, I don't think I can beat him. His power is like a lie." this was also a lie but it was filled with uncertainty. And again, if they were to find a way to get the boys to help. It would have made the last battle boring as they would have destroyed Boo with no problems. That is why Akira Toriyama opted for the Genki Dama. Goku even said that he thought Vegeta was wishing everyone back to get one of them to fight.

And Vegeta dismissed it - if it were a better option (for the Earthlings, including the boys) to save the universe, I think that would have been the route they went. The way the statement is worded implies they would make an attempt - not that they would win.
Pretty sure this does. Why would Goku make such a big deal if his ki hadn't decreased? Vegeta is obviously talking about size here. But I doubt Goku thinks they can manage something purely because his size has shrunk down.

Goku didn't.
So Vegeta's probably talking about how Boo’s body has shrunk. That doesn't mean Boo's ki didn't go down too, but it's not what Vegeta's talking about here.

We actually it does - but it wasn't stated it changed. It wasn't stated that Goku didn't become SSJ343450 and overpowered everyone, does that mean it happened too?
Again, your attitude is showing through here, please adjust it. Did you even read what I wrote?
Yes I did - and I'm getting tired of repeating myself.

Pretty sure this does. Why would Goku make such a big deal if his ki hadn't decreased? Vegeta is obviously talking about size here. But I doubt Goku thinks they can manage something purely because his size has shrunk down.

I'm not disputing Vegeta wasn't talking about ki. But as it says in the note. "That doesn't mean Boo's ki didn't go down too.” Are you telling me that Goku was happy because his size shrunk? So I guess if a new villain was introduced which was bigger than Evil Boo had enough ki that he/she could destroy the universe if he/she only used 1% of it was shrunk down to Pure Boo's size Goku would still think they could manage something? The answer is no. Goku wouldn't have said they'd be able to manage something unless Boo's ki dropped. Goku knows size has nothing to do with how powerful the opponent is and size doesn't effect how powerful an opponent is either in the Dragon ball universe. For instance, Piccolo and Goku were nearly even in power during the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai and then Piccolo grew to become a giant. Goku was still a match for him even with his increase in size.

You're taking a translators note on their opinion - it's not more valid than yours or mine. What isn't up for debate is that there is no indicator - zero, nada, none, that Kid Buu got weaker. We even have Kaioshin insisting that they use fusion as a means to beat Buu. Not "revive Gohan and let him fight."

[Amuro Ray]

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Apologies, sir, but I don't see how...

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...really helps in an argument of which Buu is stronger.

But it's all really simple. With Super Buu, Goku was scared shitless and had to rely on the kids' power to deal with Buu as long as possible. Once Kid Buu appeared, Goku was able to take him. You can throw out the scene in the anime that explicitly states that Kid Buu is stronger, but that's filler and doesn't have much bearing.

I'll be happy to post the link and you can tell me where Goku made that statement -
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Otherwise, your point isn't one.

[Amuro Ray]

Since when was it stated that you can't sense anyone’s power from the Kai's planet that isn't on SSJ3 level? Goku is extremely good at tracking people’s powers, one of his best moves is reliant on it. Kaioushin didn't even notice Buu or Gotenks was missing until Goku mentioned it - according to your argument, wouldn't that imply they weren't even on SSJ3 tier?

He's inferring that when Gotenks went SSJ for the first time outside the RoSaT that his powerlevel was SSJ3 tier as he sensed it. Then Goku says after he sensed Buu's ki disappear. As Goku is not all knowing he didn't know Buu had entered the RoSaT, so he was probably assuming somebody beat him. But then Goku makes the comment that he can't sense Gotenks' energy either. Because he was also in the RoSaT, Goku couldn't sense Gotenks either. So no, his argument is quite valid. They were at or close to SSJ3 tier as a SSJ before they entered the RoSaT.

LOL, except for Goku and Kaioushin mentioning him becoming stronger.

Except that never happens. Goku only mentions him becoming stronger when he becomes the Buff Boo(South Kaioshin absorbed). Goku was actually worried with his power increasing but then when he turned into Pure Boo(Kid Boo) he was all "Yes! We did it! This way we can manage something!" so where did all that worry go from later? The answer is after he turned into the Buff Boo his power did increase but then when he changed into Pure Boo his power decreased.

So I went back and read my incorrectly translated scans - it simply didn't happen like that (or in that order):

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5

THEN -
Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P13.5

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P2.3-7, P3.3

And finally -

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P3.4-6


^notice Goku NEVER SAYS A WORD. Only Vegeta comments and it's purely in relation to size, not power (as your own translation noted) Why do you keep arguing this?

I don't notice anything because those links don't work. This is another reason why we don't use bad sources. They can be taken down whenever or not seen by us. And Again, why are you using incorrect translations? They aren't accurate. Also, please refrain from rolling your eyes. Its disrespectful. I'm surprised you have been given so many chances to curve your attitude.

I Know what he is saying, and I also know he lied - intentionally or not, and was unapollogetic about it. That isn't a way to carry on a proper discussion. We do see Goku and the others watching the boys fight on Babidi's orb - at no time did the Kais or Goku comment about their power.

And once more - I provided a link
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Which you can check for yourself - it isn't a translation issue - that statement just wasn't made. I'd appreciate it if you (and others) would attempt to disipline me - if you want me to treat you like a peer, start acting like it.

[VegettoEX]

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[Hitiro]

You're taking a translators note on their opinion - it's not more valid than yours or mine. What isn't up for debate is that there is no indicator - zero, nada, none, that Kid Buu got weaker. We even have Kaioshin insisting that they use fusion as a means to beat Buu. Not "revive Gohan and let him fight."

Why not use the fusion? It would have made things easier which is what Kaioshin was insisting on. But they chose not to because they believe they can handle Pure Boo without fusing. Something they said they couldn't do when it was Evil Boo. Nothing suggests Pure Boo got stronger either. The Buff Boo and Pure Boo are two different transformations. That's like saying Pure Evil Boo(The grey Boo) is the same as Evil Boo. They are two different versions of Boo.

I Know what he is saying, and I also know he lied - intentionally or not, and was unapollogetic about it. That isn't a way to carry on a proper discussion. We do see Goku and the others watching the boys fight on Babidi's orb - at no time did the Kais or Goku comment about their power.

And once more - I provided a link
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Which you can check for yourself - it isn't a translation issue - that statement just wasn't made. I'd appreciate it if you (and others) would attempt to disipline me - if you want me to treat you like a peer, start acting like it.

This link still doesn't work. And it wouldn't hurt for you to learn some manners. We shouldn't have to discipline you.

[Zephyr]

Edit: ninja'd by Hitiro

I'll be happy to post the link and you can tell me where Goku made that statement -
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Otherwise, your point isn't one.

Yeah, the shitty scanlations aren't showing up there, either.

But no, I don't need to find a statement. The story vastly implies this. We see how desperate Goku is to find an alternative means of fighting Buu before Kid Buu is around, and we see him more than eagerly fight Kid Buu himself.

They needed to fuse to put up a fight with Super Buu. They scoffed at the idea of fusing against Kid Buu. I don't need to pull out statements to illustrate this. If Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu they would have been equally desperate against him, if not more so, than against Super Buu.

[Darkprince410]

I'm literally FACEPALMING MYSELF SO HARD right now.

1) Piccolo never questions Ssj Gotenks' power when he first fuses, and since he's going under the notion that Ssj Gotenks should have a battle power higher than Ssj3 Goku's (since he believes that Goku might not have been able to beat Fat Buu and that Gotenks can). He never makes a single comment, statement, or inference that Ssj Gotenks (before entering the Room of Spirit and Time) is weaker than Goku made him out to be, and Piccolo readily would say something about it if it were the case.

When since something not stated or implied = Stated/implied.This foolishness.

Secondly, when Goku is on Kaioushin's planet, he notices that Buu's ki has disappeared (from when he entered the Room of Spirit and Time), then makes the comment that he can't sense Gotenks' energy either (implying that he should be able to but can't for some reason). Since this is before Gotenks escapes the Room of Spirit and Time (and before Goku even learns they went in there), Goku's only knowledge about how powerful Gotenks is/should be is from what he knows about the fusion, the boys' strength, and what he's sensed from them so far. We also know that it takes a ki level of Super Saiya-jin 3 tier to be sensed from Kaioushin's planet (as established by Kibito when Goku was transforming).

Since when was it stated that you can't sense anyone’s power from the Kai's planet that isn't on SSJ3 level? Goku is extremely good at tracking people’s powers, one of his best moves is reliant on it. Kaioushin didn't even notice Buu or Gotenks was missing until Goku mentioned it - according to your argument, wouldn't that imply they weren't even on SSJ3 tier?

That's the thing though, you can't say it's a lie because there's no evidence to support it's a lie. With the Fat Buu comments, we know they're lies because Goku later points out that they were, but nothing is said or done to indicate he was lying to Vegeta about their chances. Final option or not, Goku clearly indicated that fusion was their ONLY option when it came to defeating Evil Buu. He wasn't even willing to entertain the possibility of fighting Evil Buu as a Super Saiya-jin 3, instead wanting to stay within Evil Buu to find additional ways of weakening him if Vegeta wasn't going to fuse with him. If Evil Buu was weaker than Pure Buu, as you believe, then Goku wouldn't have hesitated to use Super Saiya-jin 3 to beat him, since he didn't want to fuse with Vegeta for the sake of fusing. The fact that he was willing to just fight Pure Buu as a Super Saiya-jin 3 rather than insist Vegeta fusing with him as their only option of winning strongly indicates Evil Buu being the stronger.

LOL, except for Goku and Kaioushin mentioning him becoming stronger.

So we have Goku saying that he and Vegeta stand no chance (with nothing stated, said, or inferred later to contradict this) against Evil Buu, then transforming into South Kaioushin Buu resulted in an increase of his power, and then finally when returning to his Pure form, he's become something that Goku feels they can manage. The first quote and the last one also tie together, suggesting that Pure Buu was something along the lines of what Goku was wanting to have happen.



So I went back and read my incorrectly translated scans - it simply didn't happen like that (or in that order):

^notice Goku NEVER SAYS A WORD. Only Vegeta comments and it's purely in relation to size, not power (as your own translation noted) Why do you keep arguing this?

1) Because it goes towards Piccolo's character. In all previous battles he's witnessed or been a part of, he's analyzed and commented on the difference in strength between individuals. Piccolo is the kind of individual that wouldn't hesitate to express his doubts when it comes to the strength of an individual in comparison to how they should be (Just look at him watching Goku's fight with #19), so for him to make no comment about Gotenks being weaker than the pedestal that Goku put the fusion on is a clear indicator that he is as strong as Goku was saying he should be.

2)

Chapter: 474 (DBZ 280), P7.8, P8.1-2
Context: after Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan 3
Gohan: “”Th-this ki…Don’t tell me…it’s father?...No…It’s not…”
Kaioshin: “Th-that’s right…It’s Son Goku…! Th-this truly is absolutely incredible energy…”
Kibito: “Ab-absolutely unbelievable…To think that his power would reach as far as this sacred region.”

For Kibito's comment to be accurate, that means that no ki below Super Saiya-jin 3 has ever reached the planet before.

3) Neither of them do. At absolutely no point in the manga is it ever said or suggested that Pure Buu is stronger than Evil Buu. Kaioushin's only comment about Buu was in regards to his unpredictability and not his strength, and Goku never makes a single comment about Pure Buu being stronger.

[Amuro Ray]

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I don't plan on being here much longer to be honest - I've already made my point.

Why not use the fusion? It would have made things easier which is what Kaioshin was insisting on. But they chose not to because they believe they can handle Pure Boo without fusing. Something they said they couldn't do when it was Evil Boo. Nothing suggests Pure Boo got stronger either. The Buff Boo and Pure Boo are two different transformations. That's like saying Pure Evil Boo(The grey Boo) is the same as Evil Boo. They are two different versions of Boo.

Right - but choosing Gohan - a character who wasn't mentioned again until Goku was already fighting with Buu, to fight is a better idea. And you wonder why I'm being such a condecending dick. Statements like this don't help your case either:

This link still doesn't work. And it wouldn't hurt for you to learn some manners. We shouldn't have to discipline you.

For the record - the scan just showed that Herms translation is incorrect - that panel doesn't have Goku stating anything.

Yeah, the shitty scanlations aren't showing up there, either.

But no, I don't need to find a statement. The story vastly implies this. We see how desperate Goku is to find an alternative means of fighting Buu before Kid Buu is around, and we see him more than eagerly fight Kid Buu himself.

They needed to fuse to put up a fight with Super Buu. They scoffed at the idea of fusing against Kid Buu. I don't need to pull out statements to illustrate this. If Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu they would have been equally desperate against him, if not more so, than against Super Buu.

You're absolutely right - Gohan was so much stronger, they mistook him originally for Goku. They allowed the strongest Character on the show to die so Goku would have a shot. They revived him and everyone on Earth to try a risky manuver that has NEVER worked on any enemy- instead of allowing "God" Gohan to fight.

For Kibito's comment to be accurate, that means that no ki below Super Saiya-jin 3 has ever reached the planet before.

3) Neither of them do. At absolutely no point in the manga is it ever said or suggested that Pure Buu is stronger than Evil Buu. Kaioushin's only comment about Buu was in regards to his unpredictability and not his strength, and Goku never makes a single comment about Pure Buu being stronger.

Fair enough - then again, no one made a comment about Gotenks or Buu's power in any form, or Gohan. It was Goku who called attention to the missing powers - so even if they were "SSJ3 level" it wasn't powerful enough for people to notice.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Are we seriously still arguing about this? Just concede Amuro Ray, We have taken all of your points into consideration and we feel they are flawed, you aren't gonna convince us that pure Buu is the strongest, especially with that attitude of yours. I honestly have to ask, why are you here if you here just to insult others and not discuss things peacefully? If you want to force your opinion on others just make a YouTube video claiming Pure Buu is better and disable the comment section.

[Darkprince410]

I'm issuing additional strikes against accounts for unwarranted, snarky attitudes and linking to illegal scanlations of legitimately-released manga.

Either carry on your conversations as per the rules you agreed to (twice) prior to registration, or you will no longer be members of this community.

I don't plan on being here much longer to be honest - I've already made my point.

Why not use the fusion? It would have made things easier which is what Kaioshin was insisting on. But they chose not to because they believe they can handle Pure Boo without fusing. Something they said they couldn't do when it was Evil Boo. Nothing suggests Pure Boo got stronger either. The Buff Boo and Pure Boo are two different transformations. That's like saying Pure Evil Boo(The grey Boo) is the same as Evil Boo. They are two different versions of Boo.

Right - but choosing Gohan - a character who wasn't mentioned again until Goku was already fighting with Buu, to fight is a better idea. And you wonder why I'm being such a condecending dick. Statements like this don't help your case either:

This link still doesn't work. And it wouldn't hurt for you to learn some manners. We shouldn't have to discipline you.

For the record - the scan just showed that Herms translation is incorrect - that panel doesn't have Goku stating anything.

Yeah, the shitty scanlations aren't showing up there, either.

But no, I don't need to find a statement. The story vastly implies this. We see how desperate Goku is to find an alternative means of fighting Buu before Kid Buu is around, and we see him more than eagerly fight Kid Buu himself.

They needed to fuse to put up a fight with Super Buu. They scoffed at the idea of fusing against Kid Buu. I don't need to pull out statements to illustrate this. If Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu they would have been equally desperate against him, if not more so, than against Super Buu.

You're absolutely right - Gohan was so much stronger, they mistook him originally for Goku. They allowed the strongest Character on the show to die so Goku would have a shot. They revived him and everyone on Earth to try a risky manuver that has NEVER worked on any enemy- instead of allowing "God" Gohan to fight.

For Kibito's comment to be accurate, that means that no ki below Super Saiya-jin 3 has ever reached the planet before.

3) Neither of them do. At absolutely no point in the manga is it ever said or suggested that Pure Buu is stronger than Evil Buu. Kaioushin's only comment about Buu was in regards to his unpredictability and not his strength, and Goku never makes a single comment about Pure Buu being stronger.

Fair enough - then again, no one made a comment about Gotenks or Buu's power in any form, or Gohan. It was Goku who called attention to the missing powers - so even if they were "SSJ3 level" it wasn't powerful enough for people to notice.

1 and 2) Because between Gohan's fight with Gotenks Buu until the Earth was wished back and the people restored, Gohan was out of the picture. Once he was back in picture, Goku's first thought was that Vegeta revived him and Gotenks so they could fight Buu instead. Vegeta established that his only motive for using the Genki Dama was because he wanted Earthlings to handle things for once, that's it. Not because he didn't think the boys couldn't handle it, but simply that humans have always been protected by the Z Senshi over the years, but have been oblivious to what's been going on, and he feels that this is something that needs to change.

3) Then write out the scenes as they appear in your scanslations. Even though you're not allowed posting them directly or linking to them, you can still at least write up the dialogue, just so we can see what areas you're making comments about.

4) Actually Evil Buu's is sensed from Kaioushin's planet.

Chapter: 486 (DBZ 292), P3.1
Goku: “…This is Majin Boo, right? This ki…what is it?...”

That line takes place soon after he forms into Evil Buu, but before he reaches the Lookout.

Likewise, Evil Buu comments that, while he was fighting Ssj3 Gotenks, he could feel Gohan's strength rising.

Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P2.3-4
Boo: “Far, far, waa~~aay far away, I felt a strong power…I won’t allow anyone to have a power stronger than mine…”

So Gohan could still be sensed from the same distance away (just in the other direction).

Lastly, in regards to Herms' translations. Herms doesn't translate lines if they're not there. Any line he translates comes from the original manga, so if there's no counterpart in the scanslation and it's just blank, then that's the fault of the scanslation creators.

[Amuro Ray]

Are we seriously still arguing about this? Just concede Amuro Ray, We have taken all of your points into consideration and we feel they are flawed, you aren't gonna convince us that pure Buu is the strongest, especially with that attitude of yours. I honestly have to ask, why are you here if you here just to insult others and not discuss things peacefully? If you want to force your opinion on others just make a YouTube video claiming Pure Buu is better and disable the comment section.

Like I said - I don't plan on being here much longer. Why have a forum open for discussion if people can't actually have a discussion? Why not just state your opinions and tell everyone else they are wrong without taking into consideration your opinion isn't logical.....oh wait.


See how that works?

[Amuro Ray]

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I don't plan on being here much longer to be honest - I've already made my point.

Why not use the fusion? It would have made things easier which is what Kaioshin was insisting on. But they chose not to because they believe they can handle Pure Boo without fusing. Something they said they couldn't do when it was Evil Boo. Nothing suggests Pure Boo got stronger either. The Buff Boo and Pure Boo are two different transformations. That's like saying Pure Evil Boo(The grey Boo) is the same as Evil Boo. They are two different versions of Boo.

Right - but choosing Gohan - a character who wasn't mentioned again until Goku was already fighting with Buu, to fight is a better idea. And you wonder why I'm being such a condecending dick. Statements like this don't help your case either:

This link still doesn't work. And it wouldn't hurt for you to learn some manners. We shouldn't have to discipline you.

For the record - the scan just showed that Herms translation is incorrect - that panel doesn't have Goku stating anything.

Yeah, the shitty scanlations aren't showing up there, either.

But no, I don't need to find a statement. The story vastly implies this. We see how desperate Goku is to find an alternative means of fighting Buu before Kid Buu is around, and we see him more than eagerly fight Kid Buu himself.

They needed to fuse to put up a fight with Super Buu. They scoffed at the idea of fusing against Kid Buu. I don't need to pull out statements to illustrate this. If Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu they would have been equally desperate against him, if not more so, than against Super Buu.

You're absolutely right - Gohan was so much stronger, they mistook him originally for Goku. They allowed the strongest Character on the show to die so Goku would have a shot. They revived him and everyone on Earth to try a risky manuver that has NEVER worked on any enemy- instead of allowing "God" Gohan to fight.

For Kibito's comment to be accurate, that means that no ki below Super Saiya-jin 3 has ever reached the planet before.

3) Neither of them do. At absolutely no point in the manga is it ever said or suggested that Pure Buu is stronger than Evil Buu. Kaioushin's only comment about Buu was in regards to his unpredictability and not his strength, and Goku never makes a single comment about Pure Buu being stronger.

Fair enough - then again, no one made a comment about Gotenks or Buu's power in any form, or Gohan. It was Goku who called attention to the missing powers - so even if they were "SSJ3 level" it wasn't powerful enough for people to notice.

1 and 2) Because between Gohan's fight with Gotenks Buu until the Earth was wished back and the people restored, Gohan was out of the picture. Once he was back in picture, Goku's first thought was that Vegeta revived him and Gotenks so they could fight Buu instead. Vegeta established that his only motive for using the Genki Dama was because he wanted Earthlings to handle things for once, that's it. Not because he didn't think the boys couldn't handle it, but simply that humans have always been protected by the Z Senshi over the years, but have been oblivious to what's been going on, and he feels that this is something that needs to change.

3) Then write out the scenes as they appear in your scanslations. Even though you're not allowed posting them directly or linking to them, you can still at least write up the dialogue, just so we can see what areas you're making comments about.

4) Actually Evil Buu's is sensed from Kaioushin's planet.

Chapter: 486 (DBZ 292), P3.1
Goku: “…This is Majin Boo, right? This ki…what is it?...”

That line takes place soon after he forms into Evil Buu, but before he reaches the Lookout.

Likewise, Evil Buu comments that, while he was fighting Ssj3 Gotenks, he could feel Gohan's strength rising.

Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P2.3-4
Boo: “Far, far, waa~~aay far away, I felt a strong power…I won’t allow anyone to have a power stronger than mine…”

So Gohan could still be sensed from the same distance away (just in the other direction).

Lastly, in regards to Herms' translations. Herms doesn't translate lines if they're not there. Any line he translates comes from the original manga, so if there's no counterpart in the scanslation and it's just blank, then that's the fault of the scanslation creators.

I'm tired of arguing. The line you stated Goku said wasn't there - There was no speach bubble in the picture for Goku to say such.

[Darkprince410]

I'm tired of arguing. The line you stated Goku said wasn't there - There was no speach bubble in the picture for Goku to say such.

What page though? Since we don't have the context of what page you're saying, we can't get that figured out.

[Amuro Ray]

I'm tired of arguing. The line you stated Goku said wasn't there - There was no speach bubble in the picture for Goku to say such.

What page though? Since we don't have the context of what page you're saying, we can't get that figured out.

I posted the link and it was removed - looks like you'll have to google it for yourself.

[Hitiro]

Why not use the fusion? It would have made things easier which is what Kaioshin was insisting on. But they chose not to because they believe they can handle Pure Boo without fusing. Something they said they couldn't do when it was Evil Boo. Nothing suggests Pure Boo got stronger either. The Buff Boo and Pure Boo are two different transformations. That's like saying Pure Evil Boo(The grey Boo) is the same as Evil Boo. They are two different versions of Boo.

Right - but choosing Gohan - a character who wasn't mentioned again until Goku was already fighting with Buu, to fight is a better idea. And you wonder why I'm being such a condescending dick. Statements like this don't help your case either:

As its been stated getting Gohan to fight would have just meant the story would have been over a whole lot quicker. Akira Toriyama went with the Genki Dama because its a more risky attempt and was designed to create tension in the final battle of the show. Why would he just say "You know what? Screw it, I'll just get Gohan to wipe the floor with him. Nobody really cares how this ends anyway."

Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P8.3-4
Context: after Vegeta tells Goku to make a Genki-Dama
Goku: “Hey! So it was the Genki-Dama you were thinking of!? It-it’s no use! Against Boo, no matter how much we gathered little bits of genki from all the Earthlings…”
Vegeta: “I told you, right? That those guys on Earth should take responsibility every now and then…! It won’t be just little bit. We’ll gather ki from them right up to their limits!”

This seems to be the more risky choice in my honest opinion. Convincing every human to donate as much of their Genki as they can to beat Boo. There is no way to know if this will work or not because the humans may or may not choose to trust Goku or Vegeta. The whole scene was designed to create tension. Getting the dragonballs and wishing Gohan back just to have him teleported to the Kaioshin planet for him to wipe the floor with Pure Boo is probably the worst ending it could have been. Arguably Akira Toriyama should have wrote a better way to leave Gohan and Gotenks out of this fight rather than Vegeta saying "The Earthlings should take care of themselves for a change." But at the end of the day he just wanted to get this story over with in a decent suspense driven way.We can arguably say he's made bad calls in the other parts of the Boo arc. Like the wish to bring every good person who died since the morning before the Tenkaichi Budokai and people not questioning why Gohan wasn't "brought" back to life with the wish(despite us knowning he was very well alive and over at the Kaioshin's planet).

This link still doesn't work. And it wouldn't hurt for you to learn some manners. We shouldn't have to discipline you.

For the record - the scan just showed that Herms translation is incorrect - that panel doesn't have Goku stating anything.

For the record - Herms has done multiple courses at college learning the Japanese language and he spent a year in Japan. Just because his translations don't appear in your incorrect translations doesn't mean he is wrong. And as for that comment I was merely parroting back what you said to me. You told me we should be disciplining you. I disagree, you should be fixing your manners by yourself.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Man Amuro Ray, if you are gonna bash Herms translations, you have lost all credibility.

[Amuro Ray]

Why not use the fusion? It would have made things easier which is what Kaioshin was insisting on. But they chose not to because they believe they can handle Pure Boo without fusing. Something they said they couldn't do when it was Evil Boo. Nothing suggests Pure Boo got stronger either. The Buff Boo and Pure Boo are two different transformations. That's like saying Pure Evil Boo(The grey Boo) is the same as Evil Boo. They are two different versions of Boo.

Right - but choosing Gohan - a character who wasn't mentioned again until Goku was already fighting with Buu, to fight is a better idea. And you wonder why I'm being such a condescending dick. Statements like this don't help your case either:

As its been stated getting Gohan to fight would have just meant the story would have been over a whole lot quicker. Akira Toriyama went with the Genki Dama because its a more risky attempt and was designed to create tension in the final battle of the show. Why would he just say "You know what? Screw it, I'll just get Gohan to wipe the floor with him. Nobody really cares how this ends anyway."

Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P8.3-4
Context: after Vegeta tells Goku to make a Genki-Dama
Goku: “Hey! So it was the Genki-Dama you were thinking of!? It-it’s no use! Against Boo, no matter how much we gathered little bits of genki from all the Earthlings…”
Vegeta: “I told you, right? That those guys on Earth should take responsibility every now and then…! It won’t be just little bit. We’ll gather ki from them right up to their limits!”

This seems to be the more risky choice in my honest opinion. Convincing every human to donate as much of their Genki as they can to beat Boo. There is no way to know if this will work or not because the humans may or may not choose to trust Goku or Vegeta. The whole scene was designed to create tension. Getting the dragonballs and wishing Gohan back just to have him teleported to the Kaioshin planet for him to wipe the floor with Pure Boo is probably the worst ending it could have been. Arguably Akira Toriyama should have wrote a better way to leave Gohan and Gotenks out of this fight rather than Vegeta saying "The Earthlings should take care of themselves for a change." But at the end of the day he just wanted to get this story over with in a decent suspense driven way.We can arguably say he's made bad calls in the other parts of the Boo arc. Like the wish to bring every good person who died since the morning before the Tenkaichi Budokai and people not questioning why Gohan wasn't "brought" back to life with the wish(despite us knowning he was very well alive and over at the Kaioshin's planet).

This link still doesn't work. And it wouldn't hurt for you to learn some manners. We shouldn't have to discipline you.

For the record - the scan just showed that Herms translation is incorrect - that panel doesn't have Goku stating anything.

For the record - Herms has done multiple courses at college learning the Japanese language and he spent a year in Japan. Just because his translations don't appear in your incorrect translations doesn't mean he is wrong. And as for that comment I was merely parroting back what you said to me. I disagree, you should be fixing your manners by yourself.

"You told me we shouldn't be disciplining you." it was a typo I cannot correct.

Man Amuro Ray, if you are gonna bash Herms translations, you have lost all credibility.

That's fine - I don't really care, if you can't already tell.

[Bussani]

Why have a forum open for discussion if people can't actually have a discussion? Why not just state your opinions and tell everyone else they are wrong

I don't get it. The only person doing that in this thread is you.

My previous post sure fell on deaf ears.

I'm tired of arguing. The line you stated Goku said wasn't there - There was no speach bubble in the picture for Goku to say such.

I haven't seen the scanlation, but...are you saying they removed a whole speech bubble? That sounds really trustworthy.



That "やったな" (yatta na) part at the beginning of Goku's comment is the part that means, "We did it!" Even if you don't trust Herms's translation, that much is so basic and easy to verify.