Now you are just nitpicking. And you know what they say about nitpicking.
How is it nitpicking to point out the difference between nameless henchmen who are around for a couple of chapters and the second most prominent villain of a major arc?
They had three bouts, if you count them all. Yamucha clearly comes out in top in the first, moreso having it being stopped because of Bulma`s presence and nothing else.
No, he drew Goku, but only due to Goku being starving. He didn't win, and both he and Goku lost the will to fight due to outside factors.
They draw equally in the second bout and Goku ends up on top in the third when he breaks Yamucha`s tooth and he leaves because of vanity.
Draw, Draw, loss for Yamcha.
In neither were they really down for the count, expect the first bout where Goku takes longer to get up (long enough for Yamucha and Oolong to Exchange words). Toryama himself writes Yamucha in the manga (Red Ribbon Army arc) claiming how "not long ago, we were equal" when talking about Goku`s improvement.
So you're admitting that Yamcha didn't actually win any of these battles? At best these were draws for him. But considering that each time he failed his objective (robbing them) and was sent running, I'd still say it leans more towards the loss side.
Yes, he writes Yamcha saying that, Yamcha being one of the most arrogant people on the team. It's not like that has anything to do with what I was saying anyway.
It`s okay, we can trade that one for Monkey mode Goku, whom Yamucha takes down by himself in the manga.
Then what did Puar do?
He landed an "off guard" hit the same way Ten did. By being faster.
Strongest attack? Okay, let`s talk about strongest attacks..
I wasn't talking about speed (that's probably more due to his ability to sense ki anyway). I was talking about strength. If your Kamehameha fails to kill someone way weaker than you even when you catch them off guard, then, well, you're kind of pathetic.
..because a "strongest attack" is exactly what an angry Kuririn used, to kill 3 out of the 4 Saibamen left. There was nothing generic about it and you can easily tell it just from reading his dialogue about how he poured in all his power on it[/b]. In contrast there is nothing indicating how Yamucha`s attack was particularly powerful to whatever degree, other than the use to knock his opponent for the count. No shout, no power reference, no stressed emotional state. Outside of them fighting per tournament rules that is.
Krillin threw out six ki blasts in one attack. He used effort to do it, but there's no indication that it was his most powerful attack, and him being able to just throw out six of those blasts implies to me that it wasn't. Also, the Kienzan should be his strongest attack.
Yamcha, as far as we know, only knows two ki attacks: the Kamehameha and the Sokidan. The Kamehameha, as plainly showed to us several times, is an amplified ki attack that has power far in excess of the user's own. At least when the user knows what they're doing. Krillin can launch six blasts at a time, each much more powerful than Yamcha's Kamehameha, and that's not pathetic?
Ten`s Saibamen was knocked down and then fully standing up after the blow to the head. Yamucha`s was down for the count until a Exchange of words when he jumps in and surprises everyone with a kamikaze. This all just shows that for the level the two decided to use, they could put down the Saibamen with ease. And indicates how with a little extra effort, they would kill them, like Kuririn did.
So Yamcha failing to kill a Saibaman with an off guard Kamehameha to the back then dying for it indicates that he easily could have killed the Saibaman? What?
In the manga Nappa mentions after being shocked by Ten`s win, how he shouldn`t have made it considering the Saibaman had the exact same power level as Raditz: 1.200 (written dialogue) especially after reading the base levels of 3 of the strongest beings of the planet being lower than that.
Chapter: 215 (DBZ 21), P1.3
Context: after Tenshinhan beats a Saibaiman
Nappa: “"I'm-impossible...!! The Saibaiman's battle power is 1,200...!! Going just by power, he rivals Raditz...!!"
No, he never said that.
The 1.500 mark comes (years?) later for a Databook style release. That was not official at the time of publication and subquent editions in other languages of the manga and I bet they didn`t changed that still
The 1,500 mark was given to Raditz in Weekly Jump during the Saiyan arc, and the memo from Toriyama saying Raditz was stronger than a Saibaman was when the anime was at the Saibaman battle.
And they only did it likely for Raditz not look too weak and mooky considering there were six of those green pests and they could grow more of them. Since neither Ten or Yamucha pour all of it it in those fights, they are still stronger than Raditz was, in that arc.
Ten yes, Yamcha no. Every official source lists Yamcha as being weaker than Raditz.
1)Yamucha`s attack wasn`t described as a Kamehameha
...do you know what a Kamehameha looks like? Never mind, it doesn't matter. The Daizenshuu confirms it was a Kamehameha anyway.
) they were fighting per-tournament rules - something talked to before the fights) 3) nothing indicates it didn`t do what it was set out to do (meaning you can`t just guess how strong the blast was, like you can with Chiatzu`s suicide, Kuririn`s attack on the 4 of them or the Kikoho 4) the Saibamen aren`t shown as landing one hit (save the two Kamekaze attemps - Ten being saved by Vegeta) against the humans and the fights end up too quick.
How does any of this relate to Yamcha not being able to kill one with a Kamehameha?
5) neither Yamucha or Ten are shown as exerting themselves much or even breaking much of a sweat after the fights (as seen by dialogue).
If you think Yamcha was holding back, that just makes him dumber and more pathetic.
There`s next to nothing to claim how Raditz is stronger than anyone save a pissing-on-his-guts Gohan and Chiautzu at this stage. And even I believe Chiatzu could damage Raditz with his suicide attempt. But that one is simply my guess.
A Weekly Jump spread included in the issue with Goku and Vegeta's beam struggle gave him a battle power of 1,500, while Yamcha was 1,480.
Because he obviously wasn`t ever written as inferior, so whatever training he ends up doing, it isn`t going to play a huge part in the equation. He was already clearly ahead to all of them save Goku to begin with and only got stronger until the Saiyan arrival. Whatever gap Yamucha and co close in they were still behind.
Except Yamcha didn't close any gap. Despite having the better training and tons of partners, the gap between him and Piccolo just grew.
As such, I`m the one wondering why you bring this point up. Up until the fight with android 17, Piccolo is undisputably among the 3 most powerful character of the whole cast. Always.
Not just Yamucha, keep that in mind, but everyone else save two of them.
What I was saying is that Yamcha becoming way stronger due to godly training isn't a point in his favor, since everyone else did the same, except Piccolo, who had a bigger gap on Yamcha than when he started despite training alone in the mountains.
No, that wouldn`t be it. Yamucha loses to opponents in the Bodukai that end up being rivals to Goku himself. He didn`t lost against bacterian Man. He lost against Ten, Roshi and Hero. That doesn`t exclude him one bit.
Two broken arms by a chick after getting his mouth run throught a mountain?
That wasn't played for laughs.
You have been told of such since three pages ago.
Who?
Meaning:
Yamucha snatches pootang (i.e: pie), for that reason him and Bulma likely argue and break up. Still lives off of them until years later. Going by the extrapulation Toryama gives us, where is the "losing" part to begin with?
So you think having to mooch off the girlfriend you cheated on makes you a success?
Are you trying to defend Yamcha? Because it seems to me that you're just trying to argue that he's a bigger and bigger douchebag.
