English Dragon Box Release

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:49 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:The Ocean Dub isn't Funi's dub and conflicts with it. The Faulconer music IS part of Funi's dub and doesn't conflict with it at all. Much of the stuff in Funi's dub is made with his music in mind, which is why the dub sounds awkward with the Japanese music.

The Ocean dub is one of Funi's two dubs. We want the movie dubs and I feel they would go nice on the definitive movie set.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:52 pm

Raki wrote:The Ocean dub is one of Funi's two dubs. We want the movie dubs and I feel they would go nice on the definitive movie set.

Basically it's the only dub fans of the original can sit and watch right?

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:57 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:
Raki wrote:The Ocean dub is one of Funi's two dubs. We want the movie dubs and I feel they would go nice on the definitive movie set.
Basically it's the only dub fans of the original can sit and watch right?

From what most say, yes. I do remember seeing Movie 2 on CN and enjoying it.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:58 pm

Chrono Trigger wrote:
Raki wrote:The Ocean dub is one of Funi's two dubs. We want the movie dubs and I feel they would go nice on the definitive movie set.
Basically it's the only dub fans of the original can sit and watch right?

Before I even knew of the original I thought that the movie dubs were a million times better than the series. I used to watch them all the time when the episodes were in re-runs and after I discovered the manga.

Nowadays, though: Yes. As a fan of the Japanese version, I can say that I enjoy the Ocean dub of the first three movies very much.

Kuhan · Post by **Kuhan** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:58 pm

Haseowolf wrote:
Kuhan wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:DemonRin, we both contributed - you made the mockup, and then I touched up the image a little bit - we're like a contributing team

Anyway, I fixed the Vol. 3 design. Anyone wanna add text?

[snip]

I know it won't end up as the cover, but this is fun.
[Snip]
The episode numbers would be different if that were Volume 3...Just sayin' >.>

oh yeah... I made it thinking it was vol. 2 and i forgot to change the episode numbers hehe

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:59 pm

Well, nostalgia primarily plays a part in our modern love of that dub, I'm sure...

Why the hell FUNimation kept shooting themselves in the foot with their scripts for those in-house dubs of those films I will never understand...

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:00 pm

What's wrong with FUNimations re-dub of the first 2 movies?

The scripts were pretty much exactly the same...

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:01 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:What's wrong with FUNimations re-dub of the first 2 movies?

The scripts are funky. Gokû uses Kaiô-ken times twenty in Movie 3, for cryin' out loud!

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:01 pm

Kendamu wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:
Kendamu wrote: Yeah, and now that FUNi is catering to "hardcore Japanese version fans" and not treating the franchise like it's for ADHD WWE kids who give pro wrestling fans a bad name, the US BGM is also just as irrelevant. But you want it, right?

"So let us enjoy our version while you enjoy yours. It's as simple as that."
The US dub music wasn't replaced and erased from existence before the show became popular like the Ocean Dub. Meanwhile, Funi used the Faulconer music and never replaced it at any point in time.
The show was pretty damn popular long before the UUEs and the new dub they had on them. The Ocean dub stuck around for a real long time after FUNi switched casts. If it were "erased from existence" so early then there'd have never been DVDs of those first three movies with the Canadian cast.

But now Funi had two different dubs for their show. So what did they do? They dubbed over the stuff that the Ocean cast did before they got popular and erased them from existence in relation to Funi's version of the show, pretty much.

The Ocean Dub is dead to Funi now that all of Dragon Ball has their own cast on it. FUNi doesn't give a damn about it anymore.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:02 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:What's wrong with FUNimations re-dub of the first 2 movies?
The scripts are funky. Gokû uses Kaiô-ken times twenty in Movie 3, for cryin' out loud!

Yeah. Kelamis' Kaiouken was fantastic!

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:03 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:What's wrong with FUNimations re-dub of the first 2 movies?
The scripts are funky. Gokû uses Kaiô-ken times twenty in Movie 3, for cryin' out loud!

Metalwario64 wrote:What's wrong with FUNimations re-dub of the first 2 movies?

I know their Movie 3 script is pretty much a modified, slightly "better" version of the edited T.V dub, but the first 2's scripts were dead on...

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:03 pm

jjgp1112 wrote: But now Funi had two different dubs for their show. So what did they do? They dubbed over the stuff that the Ocean cast did before they got popular and erased them from existence in relation to Funi's version of the show, pretty much.

So what would be wrong by Funi erasing the Falcouner score from their dub.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:03 pm

Kendamu wrote:Before I even knew of the original I thought that the movie dubs were a million times better than the series.

I agree whole heartedly. So I guess when you look at it like that it would be great if they could include those 3 dubs on set but like you guys said it's unlikely.

Metalwario64 wrote:What's wrong with FUNimations re-dub of the first 2 movies?

It could either be because of nostalgia like JulieYBM said or because the re-dubs are really just that bad. I can't tell myself but I know I don't like the re-dubs of those movies at all. Even with the original music.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:07 pm

Raki wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote: But now Funi had two different dubs for their show. So what did they do? They dubbed over the stuff that the Ocean cast did before they got popular and erased them from existence in relation to Funi's version of the show, pretty much.
So what would be wrong by Funi erasing the Falcouner score from their dub.

Because it's pointless, since it's not bothering anything and all they have to do now is add an alternative to it. The Ocean dub is in the past now anyway as far as Funi is concerned and there's nothing Funi can do to bring it back since it'd be headscratch-worthy, so who cares about it?

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:07 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Kendamu wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:The US dub music wasn't replaced and erased from existence before the show became popular like the Ocean Dub. Meanwhile, Funi used the Faulconer music and never replaced it at any point in time.
The show was pretty damn popular long before the UUEs and the new dub they had on them. The Ocean dub stuck around for a real long time after FUNi switched casts. If it were "erased from existence" so early then there'd have never been DVDs of those first three movies with the Canadian cast.
But now Funi had two different dubs for their show. So what did they do? They dubbed over the stuff that the Ocean cast did before they got popular and erased them from existence in relation to Funi's version of the show, pretty much.

The Ocean Dub is dead to Funi now that all of Dragon Ball has their own cast on it. FUNi doesn't give a damn about it anymore.

You can easily say:

But now Funi has two different music scores for their show. So what did they do? They dropped the music score they did before they created an audio track with the original music and erased their 'hardcore image' from existence in relation to Funi's version of the show, pretty much.

The Faulconer/Menza/Johnson score is dead to Funi now that all of Dragon Ball has--like all their other shows--the original Japanese version's score on it. FUNi doesn't give a damn about it anymore.

KillerCory · Post by **KillerCory** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:09 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Raki wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote: But now Funi had two different dubs for their show. So what did they do? They dubbed over the stuff that the Ocean cast did before they got popular and erased them from existence in relation to Funi's version of the show, pretty much.
So what would be wrong by Funi erasing the Falcouner score from their dub.
Because it's pointless, since it's not bothering anything and all they have to do now is add an alternative to it. The Ocean dub is in the past now anyway as far as Funi is concern, so who cares about it?

Maybe it's not pointless...

Maybe adding another track to the release will decrease the quality of the episodes.

I think that if Funimation could add the Falcouner score without hurting the image quality they would do it to appease everyone.

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:10 pm

Is it blasphemous that I don't really like the Ocean cast anymore? I watched their dub of the "No! Gohan can't be dead! I love him!" scene, and I hated it.

Maybe I'm just too used to Kara Edwards' stellar performance of Videl, but the Ocean one was just so... Bleh, to me.

It was like when they had Bra's voice actress do Videl's lines in Super DBZ. It just kept grating on me. (Not to mention the lines they gave her were horrible.)

Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:11 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Because it's pointless, since it's not bothering anything and all they have to do now is add an alternative to it. The Ocean dub is in the past now anyway as far as Funi is concern, so who cares about it?

You're choosing to be blind and completely missing the point.

Raki's dead on. If it was OK for FUNimation to completely abandon one musical score before (continue on from a certain point [season three], and then go back and erase what came prior [seasons one and two])...

... why isn't it OK to do it again now using the original Japanese score?

The answer is because current dub fans like Faulconer. That's it. That's the reason. What about those who liked Levy in 1998? Too bad for them, I guess. Exact same situation, completely different outcome.

[For the record, seasons 1+2 and movies 1-3 are not the same entity as the "alternate" English dub of the rest of the series.]

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:12 pm

Saiyavenger2941 wrote:Is it blasphemous that I don't really like the Ocean cast anymore? I watched their dub of the "No! Gohan can't be dead! I love him!" scene, and I hated it.

Maybe I'm just too used to Kara Edwards' stellar performance of Videl, but the Ocean one was just so... Bleh, to me.

It was like when they had Bra's voice actress do Videl's lines in Super DBZ. It just kept grating on me. (Not to mention the lines they gave her were horrible.)

Don't worry. We weren't even talking about that part. Just DBZ movies 1-3.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:14 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:Because it's pointless, since it's not bothering anything and all they have to do now is add an alternative to it. The Ocean dub is in the past now anyway as far as Funi is concern, so who cares about it?
You're choosing to be blind and completely missing the point.

Raki's dead on. If it was OK for FUNimation to completely abandon one musical score before (continue on from a certain point [season three], and then go back and erase what came prior [seasons one and two])...

... why isn't it OK to do it again now using the original Japanese score?

The answer is because current dub fans like Faulconer. That's it. That's the reason. What about those who liked Levy in 1998? Too bad for them, I guess. Exact same situation, completely different outcome.

[For the record, seasons 1+2 and movies 1-3 are not the same entity as the "alternate" English dub of the rest of the series.]

It's because the show is already over in both America and Japan now. When Funi changed everything about the dub, they had a whole series that had NO English dub on it. But now the whole series has a full dub with their own music. So why the hell should Funi get rid of something that's part of their dub now?