"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

There is no way to know for sure. But half Saiyan hybrids have been shown to have high potential so if they tried the ritual I'm sure it'd stick especially with anime logic.

Plus it would be cool to see Gohan and Trunks training together, only this time Gohan is the student.

Honestly, Gohan isn't a very good teacher. In the future timeline, he only got as strong as Namek Saga Super Saiyan Goku in thirteen years and it took Trunks three years after Gohan's death to reach that level. And given how Trunks didn't know the flaw in the Ultra Super Saiyan form, also lends to the idea that Gohan is a lackluster teacher, at least compared to the true masters like Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, and Whis.

Higher potential doesn't equal to them absorbing godhood, especially since neither Beerus nor Whis said anything about the halflings. In fact, in Super, Beerus all but rolled his eyes when he looked at Gohan. Keep in mind, Gohan still had his Ultimate power then.

As for when this saga ends, I doubt it will be when Goku fights Black again, unless you think they're going to wrap all the mysteries in three episodes, including why Zen-O wanted to see Goku, Zamasu only showing up two episodes ago despite being in the opening, Future Mai making a return and she's also in the opening, why is Black even using a Time Ring, ect. This isn't like the tournament where a shorter format makes sense, despite the complaints of it being rush, since it was only one fight after the other. Even the tournament arcs in the original Dragon Ball only lasted 12 to 18 episodes, and that is with filler, and the first two arcs were movie retellings so it would be on the short side since you can only extend a movie so much.

It's debatable but I think the half saiyans could pull it off. Gokus definite a prodigy compared to regular saiyans but so is every saiyan on the show nowadays.

Here's the thing. Goku isn't just special compared to a regular Saiyans. He is just special in general. Beerus and Whis more or less said as much about Goku, and even Vegeta to a lesser extent. The only other Saiyan given credit as a prodigy is Gohan. Trunks, on the other hand, is never presented or even stated to be special outside of him being a Saiyan-hybrid.

[Alee9977]

Yeah, this arc won't finish with the Goku vs Black fight, there are a lot of things that have to happen.
Omniking request to Goku, what is going to do Zamas, the mystery behind who is Black, the time rings, etc. I guess this arc will finish in episode 70 or so.
For how things are going, I'd like to see Goku, Vegeta and Trunks trapped in the future, so the old Z cast get a chance to fight against Black.

And now, another week without DBS in september?? We must have movie quality animation by then, 3 weeks without episode in less than 2 months, it's bad because there won't be episodes but it will be great for the staff, they will have more time to work on the episodes and we will have better episodes, so I don't complain.

[kinisking]

There is no way to know for sure. But half Saiyan hybrids have been shown to have high potential so if they tried the ritual I'm sure it'd stick especially with anime logic.

Plus it would be cool to see Gohan and Trunks training together, only this time Gohan is the student.

Honestly, Gohan isn't a very good teacher. In the future timeline, he only got as strong as Namek Saga Super Saiyan Goku in thirteen years and it took Trunks three years after Gohan's death to reach that level. And given how Trunks didn't know the flaw in the Ultra Super Saiyan form, also lends to the idea that Gohan is a lackluster teacher, at least compared to the true masters like Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, and Whis.

Higher potential doesn't equal to them absorbing godhood, especially since neither Beerus nor Whis said anything about the halflings. In fact, in Super, Beerus all but rolled his eyes when he looked at Gohan. Keep in mind, Gohan still had his Ultimate power then.

As for when this saga ends, I doubt it will be when Goku fights Black again, unless you think they're going to wrap all the mysteries in three episodes, including why Zen-O wanted to see Goku, Zamasu only showing up two episodes ago despite being in the opening, Future Mai making a return and she's also in the opening, why is Black even using a Time Ring, ect. This isn't like the tournament where a shorter format makes sense, despite the complaints of it being rush, since it was only one fight after the other. Even the tournament arcs in the original Dragon Ball only lasted 12 to 18 episodes, and that is with filler, and the first two arcs were movie retellings so it would be on the short side since you can only extend a movie so much.

It's debatable but I think the half saiyans could pull it off. Gokus definite a prodigy compared to regular saiyans but so is every saiyan on the show nowadays.

Here's the thing. Goku isn't just special compared to a regular Saiyans. He is just special in general. Beerus and Whis more or less said as much about Goku, and even Vegeta to a lesser extent. The only other Saiyan given credit as a prodigy is Gohan. Trunks, on the other hand, is never presented or even stated to be special outside of him being a Saiyan-hybrid.

Gohan in the future time line didn't have much experience. All he knew about fighting was what he learned from piccolo as a child. Besides I don't think the grade 3 thing is fair because Gohan wouldn't have been able to teach him seeing as how they probably never came across anything similar to that. That's like saying piccolo's a bad teacher because kid gohan didn't see the drawbacks of gokus grade 3. I think gokus training in HTC lead to present gohan becoming a good teacher. He taught Goten and videl to fly along with teaching goten the Kamehameha. They didn't have much time to train either.

Beerus and whis weren't all that impressed with Goku or Vegeta either until Goku became a God and whis saw vegeta after his training. That doesn't mean anything.

Goku has good fighting instincts that surpass everyone else's, but absorbing God hood seems more of a power thing rather a strategy thing. Like I said, it's debatable and I don't really care for debating because it's not really a topic that interests me.

Future trunks hasn't been specifically stated as special but it's obvious he still is. He was able to make similar gains to vegeta in the HTC without much help from him. Also his present self is extremely talented also.

[HeroR]

Gohan in the future time line didn't have much experience. All he knew about fighting was what he learned from piccolo as a child. Besides I don't think the grade 3 thing is fair because Gohan wouldn't have been able to teach him seeing as how they probably never came across anything similar to that. That's like saying piccolo's a bad teacher because kid gohan didn't see the drawbacks of gokus grade 3. I think gokus training in HTC lead to present gohan becoming a good teacher. He taught Goten and videl to fly along with teaching goten the Kamehameha. They didn't have much time to train either.

Beerus and whis weren't all that impressed with Goku or Vegeta either until Goku became a God and whis saw vegeta after his training. That doesn't mean anything.

Goku has good fighting instincts that surpass everyone else's, but absorbing God hood seems more of a power thing rather a strategy thing. Like I said, it's debatable and I don't really care for debating because it's not really a topic that interests me.

Future trunks hasn't been specifically stated as special but it's obvious he still is. He was able to make similar gains to vegeta in the HTC without much help from him. Also his present self is extremely talented also.

I used the Ultra Super Saiyan example to show that Future Trunks is missing many foundation fighting knowledge that Vegeta, Goku, and Cell had. It only took Cell a few minutes to realizes that Ultra Super Saiyan was super flawed and Trunks never picked up on it even after Cell gave him a clue. It had to be spelled out to him. If he was well trained, at the very least he should have realized that he wasn't hitting Cell because he couldn't catch him. Gohan was only witnessing Ultra Super Saiyan as Goku transformed, he never saw Goku fight in it.

Flying and Kamehameha are advance techniques in the original Dragon Ball. By Z, both of them are so basic that people can copy the Kamehameha just by watching. Flying is so basic that it is almost a required skilled.

That isn't completely true about Beerus and Whis. Beerus was impressed by Super Saiyan 3 Goku in Super. Whis was going back and forward about whether he would have time to eat his snack, but put it away once he sees Goku goes Super Saiyan 3, and takes interest in the fight. When Goku backed away from Beerus, he asked if Goku was a genius since he was about to attack at that very moment before Goku backed down. Whis also showed interest in Vegeta after he trained himself up during the break between Battle of God and Resurrection 'F' Saga. Gohan never even got a second or third look at from either of them.

Beerus specifically said that Goku absorbing godhood showed that he is a prodigy. It wasn't power or strategy, it was Goku's natural ability at work. And Future Trunks just being equal to Vegeta after leaving the Hyperbolic Time Chamber isn't impressive since he's a hybrid with supposedly higher threshold. Future Trunks only been on par with pure-blooded Saiyans, who he's supposed to be better than. So, awkwardly, while Present Trunks have been called a prodigy, Future Trunks has never been called such.

Yeah, this arc won't finish with the Goku vs Black fight, there are a lot of things that have to happen.
Omniking request to Goku, what is going to do Zamas, the mystery behind who is Black, the time rings, etc. I guess this arc will finish in episode 70 or so.
For how things are going, I'd like to see Goku, Vegeta and Trunks trapped in the future, so the old Z cast get a chance to fight against Black.

And now, another week without DBS in september?? We must have movie quality animation by then, 3 weeks without episode in less than 2 months, it's bad because there won't be episodes but it will be great for the staff, they will have more time to work on the episodes and we will have better episodes, so I don't complain.

If Black is equal or even a little weaker than Goku, whose base form made short work of Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks, what exactly do you except the rest of the cast to do? Given Black nature, he isn't going to pull a Cell and let them train for several days to fight him. And Black can't go back to the past because of the limits of the Time Ring. So trapping Goku and Vegeta in the past wouldn't be to Black's benefit.

[kinisking]

Gohan in the future time line didn't have much experience. All he knew about fighting was what he learned from piccolo as a child. Besides I don't think the grade 3 thing is fair because Gohan wouldn't have been able to teach him seeing as how they probably never came across anything similar to that. That's like saying piccolo's a bad teacher because kid gohan didn't see the drawbacks of gokus grade 3. I think gokus training in HTC lead to present gohan becoming a good teacher. He taught Goten and videl to fly along with teaching goten the Kamehameha. They didn't have much time to train either.

Beerus and whis weren't all that impressed with Goku or Vegeta either until Goku became a God and whis saw vegeta after his training. That doesn't mean anything.

Goku has good fighting instincts that surpass everyone else's, but absorbing God hood seems more of a power thing rather a strategy thing. Like I said, it's debatable and I don't really care for debating because it's not really a topic that interests me.

Future trunks hasn't been specifically stated as special but it's obvious he still is. He was able to make similar gains to vegeta in the HTC without much help from him. Also his present self is extremely talented also.

I used the Ultra Super Saiyan example to show that Future Trunks is missing many foundation fighting knowledge that Vegeta, Goku, and Cell had. It only took Cell a few minutes to realizes that Ultra Super Saiyan was super flawed and Trunks never picked up on it even after Cell gave him a clue. It had to be spelled out to him. If he was well trained, at the very least he should have realized that he wasn't hitting Cell because he couldn't catch him. Gohan was only witnessing Ultra Super Saiyan as Goku transformed, he never saw Goku fight in it.

Flying and Kamehameha are advance techniques in the original Dragon Ball. By Z, both of them are so basic that people can copy the Kamehameha just by watching. Flying is so basic that it is almost a required skilled.

That isn't completely true about Beerus and Whis. Beerus was impressed by Super Saiyan 3 Goku in Super. Whis was going back and forward about whether he would have time to eat his snack, but put it away once he sees Goku goes Super Saiyan 3, and takes interest in the fight. When Goku backed away from Beerus, he asked if Goku was a genius since he was about to attack at that very moment before Goku backed down. Whis also showed interest in Vegeta after he trained himself up during the break between Battle of God and Resurrection 'F' Saga. Gohan never even got a second or third look at from either of them.

Beerus specifically said that Goku absorbing godhood showed that he is a prodigy. It wasn't power or strategy, it was Goku's natural ability at work. And Future Trunks just being equal to Vegeta after leaving the Hyperbolic Time Chamber isn't impressive since he's a hybrid with supposedly higher threshold. Future Trunks only been on par with pure-blooded Saiyans, who he's supposed to be better than. So, awkwardly, while Present Trunks have been called a prodigy, Future Trunks has never been called such.

I think they were more impressed that a mortal could even be that strong because Goku was the first mortal they saw. Ill give you the fact that goku backed away though.
Also, Whis wasn't particularly impressed with Vegeta. He noticed his effort in training but he didn't really care for him until he begged him to train him.

[ArchedThunder]

I really don't understand why so many people think the arc is already ending, we haven't even gotten to the "Series of desperate situations for Goku and Vegeta", if any thing this fight will be the start of the main meat of the arc.

[simtek34]

I'm still confused about the whole "5 years without seeing Bulma" thing I've heard. Anyone think Super will do it?

When Super ends I think it'll end with the 28th Tenkaichi like the manga but it'll have changes that'll make it fit within Super's events.

For example Bulma won't say they haven't seen him in 5 years and Vegeta would know about Uub.

Hopefully they'll remember to grow up Goten and Trunks.

And use the Kanzeban/Full Color ending.

[Hellspawn28]

The 5 year line at the end of the manga is not even relevant anymore. Same with Goku saying Buu was the strongest opponent that he has fought at the end of the manga.

[Chiki]

"meet someone unexpected"

My guess is that Present Goku is finally going to show his true colors and go evil.

I've always thought that Black was Future Goku who faked his death by faking his heart virus. Present Goku thinks there can only be one evil Goku, so hes going to kill Black and then go and kill Beerus and Whis.

[HeroR]

I think they were more impressed that a mortal could even be that strong because Goku was the first mortal they saw. Ill give you the fact that goku backed away though.
Also, Whis wasn't particularly impressed with Vegeta. He noticed his effort in training but he didn't really care for him until he begged him to train him.

Goku is not the first mortal they saw and they knew he was something special since he beat Freeza, something Beerus thought was impossible for mortals. So they already had a good impression of Goku. He just impressed them further.

Whis was somewhat impressed that Vegeta got stronger, he just said that he would never surpass Goku at the rate he's going. And it's far more acknowledgement he ever gave any of the hybrids, including Gohan who still should have been stronger than Vegeta at that point.

Basically, Beerus and Whis acknowledge talent. They acknowledge Freeza (even before he trained) and Hit as geniuses. They also called Black Goku powerful. So their acknowledgment does mean something. Although, they did call Trunks not half bad, so Future Trunks has that going for him.

[omaro34]

"meet someone unexpected"

My guess is that Present Goku is finally going to show his true colors and go evil.

I've always thought that Black was Future Goku who faked his death by faking his heart virus. Present Goku thinks there can only be one evil Goku, so hes going to kill Black and then go and kill Beerus and Whis.

The "unexpected" person is likely Future Mai, who Trunks will have a touching reunion with. Remember her hand moved several episodes ago, indicating she is alive.

I say this because they have been really pushing this Trunks and Mai couple this entire Arc.

[fadeddreams5]

So what are the chances when Goku fights Black, he'll use his base form first and fight evenly? You know, to screw with the power level fans.

[kinisking]

I think they were more impressed that a mortal could even be that strong because Goku was the first mortal they saw. Ill give you the fact that goku backed away though.
Also, Whis wasn't particularly impressed with Vegeta. He noticed his effort in training but he didn't really care for him until he begged him to train him.

Goku is not the first mortal they saw and they knew he was something special since he beat Freeza, something Beerus thought was impossible for mortals. So they already had a good impression of Goku. He just impressed them further.

Whis was somewhat impressed that Vegeta got stronger, he just said that he would never surpass Goku at the rate he's going. And it's far more acknowledgement he ever gave any of the hybrids, including Gohan who still should have been stronger than Vegeta at that point.

Basically, Beerus and Whis acknowledge talent. They acknowledge Freeza (even before he trained) and Hit as geniuses. They also called Black Goku powerful. So their acknowledgment does mean something. Although, they did call Trunks not half bad, so Future Trunks has that going for him.

Again, he acknowledged that vegeta's growth, not his strength. Gohan never grew in strength, in fact he did the opposite so I don't think they cared. Plus who cares about their aknowledgement? Vegeta, who knows Gohan personally, aknowledged Gohan as having more potential. If anything, them not aknowledging gohan has to do with the out of universe writers simply not caring about him.

[Sodhi]

Looks like we have another summary for #55.
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Also the pink card is out too.

[sailorspazz]

The pink card was posted some pages back, and there's not really much there.

The additional summary for 55 gives us a little bit that the earlier one didn't, though. Apparently the Omni-king just wanted a friend and to have Gokuu come play with him After that, Gokuu goes to the devastated ruins of the future to save the day. But someone is targeting Gokuu and co. ...

Despite the fact that the last part wants us to think it's about Black, I'd predict it's gonna be Mai, trying to take out Gokuu because she mistakes him for Black.

[MCDaveG]

Awesome, Goku back in his signature clothes!
I would love some clothing change tough. It doesn't have to be RoF clothes again, maybe something different.
It will be interesting to see Vegeta in something different than armor, also.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

With Beerus and Whis not present during the fight I think they'll be on some side quest with Omni and we'll be cutting to them between the fight.

[namekiansaiyan]

I hope it does end that quick as I hate this arc currently as it is so slow and boring with too much Goku. After episode 55 there will be no Whis and Beerus and we are left with Goku fighting non-stop, Vegeta talking about pride and Trunks having nightmares which did not exactly happen in the Cell arc.

I want Goku Black to fuse with Goku and then kill Vegeta so Trunks has to return to the current timeline, so we can have variety and unpredictability in the show.

You keep saying predictable, but none of your supposed predicts ever come true. Like how you were sure everyone would have a 'black' character. If this arc is as predicted as you keep claiming, then most of your guesses should be right. The closest you have gotten so far is the Gohan episode. And you were just wrong in many key points last arc. Like you saying Piccolo would beat Frost despite that being a 'predictable' outcome, especially with the fake titles.

Honestly, all your posts read like a bitter fanboy. Just admit it. The show isn't predictable as you keep claiming. You're just mad because you favorite character isn't important anymore.

How do you know there won't be any more Black characters. Piccolo did beat Frost fairly though, you can't take in stupid writing from Toriyama in predictions. I also said Vados and Hit were not evil like all of you were predicting but you all ignored me. I said Vegeta would get beaten easily but once again I got ignored. I also said Goku would not beat Hit and universe 6 should win but once again you can't take into consideration Toriyama's bad writing and jokes. Also that stupid thing about Gohan participating even though he was on Earth was ridiculous by the majority of you lot.

Every should expect an anticlimatic ending given the end of the tournament arc.

I will struggle to like this arc or any arc that is just Goku and Vegeta. I would take a worse story for better character usage of the cast than the other way round.

What I also don't get about Toriyama is that apparently he was struggling with what to write after the tournament but he should have made that arc more intersting and longer by either having the earths switch or the final Super Dragon ball not being the nameless planet.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Excited for 56 cause it's a King Ryuu episode. 57 is Toshio and he has a very bad reputation of writing Gokuu like a retard. I hope he doesn't fuck up Gokuu this time.

As for the arc yeah I think it is near it's end. I am predicting Gokuu and Vegeta will team up and finish off Super Saiyan Rose Pink Black whatever.

- Travis

[sintzu]

Piccolo did beat Frost fairly though.

This is your idea of a win ?

[spoiler][/spoiler]