Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
- SSJ Future Trunks vs. Piccolo at the Cell Games.
- SSJ Future Trunks (vs. Imperfect Cell) vs. Piccolo (Buu arc).
- SSJ Son Goten vs. Shisami.
- Jaco vs. Tarble.
- Videl & Mr. Satan (25th Budokai) vs. Spopovich.
- Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin & Yamcha (Saiyan arc) vs. 3 Namekian warriors.
If Avo and Cado were present during Revival of F and fought the Z-Fighters alongside Freeza's army (and fused into Aka from the start, entering the battle alongside Shisami) would the fight have changed significantly?
-Trunks mid-diff
-Piccolo
-Goten stomps
-Tarble slays Jaco.
-Videl and Mr. Satan both have the upper hand at first but tire out and Spopovich beats on them both
-The Z-Warriors claim this
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Blocky wrote:SSGSS4 Gogetto (Fusion of Vegetto And Gogeta) vs. Bronze Saints (Saint Seiya)
LSSJ4 Broly vs. SSJ4 GT Gohan RoF Jaco + Master Roshi Potara Fusion vs. The Ginyu Force Dio Brando vs 23rd WMAT Piccolo
- I see the Bronze Saints below the Z-Senshi in Android Arc, so yeah SSGSS4 Gogetto is pretty much overkill, IHMO.
- I don't think this fusion would be a great deal, but I think they might win this one.
- Don't know who that is.
You don't know who the magnificent Dio Brando is!? You really need to do yourself a favour and watch or read JoJo's Bizarre Adventures, you're seriously missing out.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Blocky wrote:SSGSS4 Gogetto (Fusion of Vegetto And Gogeta) vs. Bronze Saints (Saint Seyia)
LSSJ4 Broly vs. SSJ4 GT Gohan RoF Jaco + Master Roshi Potara Fusion vs. The Ginyu Force Dio Brando vs 23rd WMAT Piccolo
- Fusion stomps. Gold Armor Saints would have a better chance
- In Heroes, Broli took out two Shadow Dragons on his own. I assume that he may be on par with SSj4 Goku or maybe a bit stronger. So Broli wins.
- Which Dio? Part 1 Dio would get owned since Part 1 Jojo characters are consider to be around very early DB characters in terms of power. Part 3 Dio has a decent chance if he use The World before he can be speed bitlz. If he can stop time then he could blood freeze Piccolo and maybe destroy his whole head before he can regen his body.
There's really no reason to believe Freeza is that strong without his Golden form; all that's really known is 1st form Freeza > SS Gohan and final form Freeza < base Goku, and Goku's own base power is screwball in that movie. Because I don't like buffing characters for no reason, and because Roshi wasn't sure about Freeza being totally untouchable to SS Gohan immediately, I just assume 1st form Freeza is x1.5 superior to SS Gohan. I peg final form Freeza at about Ultimate Gohan tier.
What do you mean with Super Boo already won ? Do you think Super Boo > Gotenks SSJ3 ?
As in, he won the fight. He prevailed in their battle. What else is there to say?
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
RandomGuy96 wrote:As in, he won the fight. He prevailed in their battle. What else is there to say?
But Gotenks was just fooling around in the beggining of the fight. If the Fusion's time hadn't done they would have actually defeated Super Boo?
Gotenks wasn't really fooling around after going SS3, he immediately attacked Buu in a rage and hit him with several powerful attacks back to back. The big delay in their fight was because of Buu hiding in a hole and apparently suppressing his ki (Gotenks thought he was dead). "What-ifs" don't really matter here; his SS3 power ran out, so he lost. Plus, if he wanted to, Buu could have just stayed hidden for an extra minute rather than bothering with the second part of their fight.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
RandomGuy96 wrote:As in, he won the fight. He prevailed in their battle. What else is there to say?
But Gotenks was just fooling around in the beggining of the fight. If the Fusion's time hadn't done they would have actually defeated Super Boo?
Gotenks wasn't really fooling around after going SS3, he immediately attacked Buu in a rage and hit him with several powerful attacks back to back. The big delay in their fight was because of Buu hiding in a hole and apparently suppressing his ki (Gotenks thought he was dead). "What-ifs" don't really matter here; his SS3 power ran out, so he lost. Plus, if he wanted to, Buu could have just stayed hidden for an extra minute rather than bothering with the second part of their fight.
But in power wise, is Goten SSJ3 stronger than Super Boo ? Or Super Boo was just buying time waiting for Gohan ?
Resurection F Frieza forms 1,2,3,4 vs Vegito (vs buuhan not ROF) at 100% (so ssj3) not 4 Freeza's but how you think he'd do vs each form
ssjgod goku (super) vs beerus battle of gods
burter vs jeice
Pikkon and goku (both from cell games arc) vs Broly movie 8
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LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:Resurection F Freeza forms 1,2,3,4 vs Vegito (vs buuhan not ROF) at 100% (so ssj3) not 4 Freeza's but how you think he'd do vs each form
Vegetto one-shots in every instance.
ssjgod goku (super) vs beerus battle of gods
Beerus one-shots.
burter vs jeice
Butta is much faster than Jheese, so he beats him down easily.
Paikuhan and goku (both from cell games arc) vs Broly movie 8
LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:Resurection F Freeza forms 1,2,3,4 vs Vegito (vs buuhan not ROF) at 100% (so ssj3) not 4 Freeza's but how you think he'd do vs each form
Vegetto one-shots in every instance.
ssjgod goku (super) vs beerus battle of gods
Beerus one-shots.
burter vs jeice
Butta is much faster than Jheese, so he beats him down easily.
Paikuhan and goku (both from cell games arc) vs Broly movie 8
Paikuhan one-shots.
So you believe Vegito is above God Goku base?
Paikuhan struggled with ssj1 goku,who couldn't make broly flinch......Broly is stronger then Pikkon.
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I love DB/DBZ/DBGT/DBZK/DBS (If I didn't why would I be here? XD)
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:Resurection F Freeza forms 1,2,3,4 vs Vegito (vs buuhan not ROF) at 100% (so ssj3) not 4 Freeza's but how you think he'd do vs each form
ssjgod goku (super) vs beerus battle of gods
burter vs jeice
Paikuhan and goku (both from cell games arc) vs Broly movie 8
-Vegetto one shots 1rst,2nd and 3rd Form Freeza but gets one shotted by Final Form Freeza.
-Beerus still wins.
-Burter due to speed.
-Paikuhan solos.
Noah wrote:New matches:
- Shisami (DBS) x 2nd Form Freeza (Namek)
- Tagoma (DBS) x Mr. Boo
- SSJ3 Gotenks x 3rd to Final Form Freeza (RoF)
-It looks like Shisami in DBS is only Zarbon tier at best.Freeza one shots him.
-Hard to tell at this point.Episode 22 will answer this question.
-Same as above.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Paikuhan one-shotted Super Perfect Cell, and Goku never did any real damage to the green guy. He takes Broly with very little effort.
He used 3 attacks on a NORMAL perfect cell who was surpressed as he was going to go fight a base form goku. He didn't exactly power up.
I think you're al lover hyping Pikkon and nerfing Broly,to many people hate on Broly and have a bias.
If Pikkon was above super perfect cell and ssj2 gohan then how could goku dodge him and hurt him and nab a win? He push Pikkon to go all out,they're very close in power. Power level wise Broly>>>>Pikkon.
Pikkon-knocked out of ring by Kamehameha
Broly-tanks a much longer charged up Kamehameha from a less damaged Goku.
I swear Broly haters are just as bad,if not worse then the fanboys who think he's ssj10. (I mean people who are biased against him, I can't say if anyone hear is so nobody on this post take that comment as against them please.)
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I love DB/DBZ/DBGT/DBZK/DBS (If I didn't why would I be here? XD)
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
