You know, if anything this special has cemented my indifference towards the Heliors. The art is great and the banter between Raditz and Kakarot has been fun. But I find the Heliors too uninteresting to care about the story. Their high-tech combat armor gave them novelty in the Dragon Ball universe, but the effort was somewhat botched by making them look identical to humans.They remind of me the "human aliens" you'd see in old episodes of Star Trek, when the show-makers didn't have the budget to create visually outlandish extraterrestrials. At least the Saiyans had tails and crazy hair to set them apart.
Anyway, I look forward to when U9 will hopefully get dedicated specials. I consider it one of more interesting deviations from the standard Dragon Ball timeline, especially compared to all the "this is a universe where [BLANK] character won" variations. I wish we could have gotten more universes like it, with unusual well-rounded backstories. More universes like U3 and U7, and not as many like U6 and U14.
Oddly enough, I've seen alternate universes in other fan comics that I prefer to ones in Dragon Ball Multiverse. Universe F by DeadlyChestnut feels like a better idea for a U8-style universe, and I'd gladly take Dragon Ball Sai's concepts for Vegeta and Kakarot over the ones in U13.
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Augenis wrote:The power level view into the series has trained a significant portion of the fan base into real life stereotypical members of the Freeza empire, where each and every individual is reduced to a floating number above their heads and any sudden changes to said number are met with shock and confusion.
ParkerAL wrote:You know, if anything this special has cemented my indifference towards the Heliors. The art is great and the banter between Raditz and Kakarot has been fun. But I find the Heliors too uninteresting to care about the story. Their high-tech combat armor gave them novelty in the Dragon Ball universe, but the effort was somewhat botched by making them look identical to humans.They remind of me the "human aliens" you'd see in old episodes of Star Trek, when the show-makers didn't have the budget to create visually outlandish extraterrestrials. At least the Saiyans had tails and crazy hair to set them apart.
When earthlings have three eyes, look like pigs, have no noses, and so on, Saiyans are really, really human. And many aliens in the actual manga were no less inhuman than the various earthlings. Reccome and others were really just humans.
Reminds me of the Wayne satellite debris crashing back down to Earth from Mos/BvS.
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How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
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i know it is becasue of different perspective, but it is funny to see Oozaru that look like human sized, just like...
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The ruined teddy bear is a cringe worthy cliché, it's a overused gimmick just as I dislike raditz saying 'bro' when it's not his character to say slang.
I would say the art is good, but they could had cut this down to 2 or even 1 page, detail within frames isn't the issue but really utilizing instead of stretching some parts. The saiberman fights were dynamic and done just right IMO.
TheBritWriter wrote:The ruined teddy bear is a cringe worthy cliché, it's a overused gimmick just as I dislike raditz saying 'bro' when it's not his character to say slang.
You have to admit though, the teddy bear cliche is still darn effective. There's not many better metaphors for slaughtered children than that.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
TheBritWriter wrote:The ruined teddy bear is a cringe worthy cliché, it's a overused gimmick just as I dislike raditz saying 'bro' when it's not his character to say slang.
You have to admit though, the teddy bear cliche is still darn effective. There's not many better metaphors for slaughtered children than that.
It can be done, and a metaphor is not always done, imagery can lose it's potency when the same image/message is repeated, either the metaphor needs to change or make it more hard hitting for the effect. Then again I have read too many comics where that has happened and is more of a wish something different could be included.
Aww, they do care for each other But..if he is that close with Radditz, why he cared so much for Kuririn, as if he was his only friend?
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Kakarotto protected Raditz from the falling debris. He truly does care about his brother. Vegeta on the other hand would probably let him die. Anyway it nice to see bits of Goku within him.
coola wrote:Aww, they do care for each other But..if he is that close with Radditz, why he cared so much for Kuririn, as if he was his only friend?
coola wrote:Aww, they do care for each other But..if he is that close with Radditz, why he cared so much for Kuririn, as if he was his only friend?
I think that Saiyans are a people perfectly capable of building close relationships, even with their supposed "enemies." It's just that their culture shames that kind of thing and most individuals succumb to that. It's actually kind of tragic. Vegeta's entire character arc is more or less him realizing this.
coola wrote:Aww, they do care for each other But..if he is that close with Radditz, why he cared so much for Kuririn, as if he was his only friend?
I think that Saiyans are a people perfectly capable of building close relationships, even with their supposed "enemies." It's just that their culture shames that kind of thing and most individuals succumb to that. It's actually kind of tragic. Vegeta's entire character arc is more or less him realizing this.
I think it's more around the lines of the partnership and such instead of family seeing as how in the actual story Raditz didn't give two shits about killing both his brother and nephew. While Raditz probably has more of that "family love" with Kakarot in U13, I think he still thinks of him more as a close comrade than a brother. Considering how bad Saiyans are with family relationships (as Goku and Vegeta have shown, though more the former) it makes sense. Granted there are exceptions to this as Minus has shown with Bardock and Gine, but it's still rare.
BlazingBarrrager wrote:Considering how bad Saiyans are with family relationships (as Goku and Vegeta have shown, though more the former) it makes sense. Granted there are exceptions to this as Minus has shown with Bardock and Gine, but it's still rare.
You can't use either of the former two as examples though; Vegeta...pretty much spent the first five years of his life being raised by Space Stalin, watched everyone he loved die in a horrible explosion, then spent the next 24 years of his life being raised by Space Hitler and all of Space Hitler's murderous goons. As a result, the guy is practically a walking mass of insecurities and complexes who has only recently began to really work through all that. As for Goku, he literally lived a good chunk of his life without any human contact (aside from Grandpa Gohan, who ended up dying).
If you want a better example, I'd look at Tarble; he seemed like a perfectly functioning individual.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
Fionordequester wrote:You can't use either of the former two as examples though; Vegeta...pretty much spent the first five years of his life being raised by Space Stalin, watched everyone he loved die in a horrible explosion...l.
Pardon, but who? I don't remember Vegeta sharing any feelings about his homeworld destruction or that he had friends or something...
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
BlazingBarrrager wrote:
If you want a better example, I'd look at Tarble; he seemed like a perfectly functioning individual.
I don't know if he's the best example either. We know practically nothing about him, aside from the fact that he was exiled from his home by his father because he was an embarrassment to the species. He's hardly the typical Saiyan.