Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

[Majin Buu]

I guess according to you just consume product and be excited for next product.

Just fyi, it's pretty condescending to implicitly paint anyone looking forward to this film as nothing but an obedient drone accepting whatever they're giving without question. It comes across as an easy way to dismiss anyone who disagrees with you and your pessimistic view of the film.

[fleahop]

To be fair to all the people not excited or unhappy with what we seem to be getting; that's fair.

I genuinely am, as I fall into the targeted audience this time.

We can be excited or not excited, but beating a dead horse either way with no new points is silly. Also, we shouldn't attack or demean either "side" in this. The movie isn't even previewing or leaked. Let's give it some time and remember we're all ultimately on the same side.

[capsulecorp]

To be fair to all the people not excited or unhappy with what we seem to be getting; that's fair.

I genuinely am, as I fall into the targeted audience this time.

We can be excited or not excited, but beating a dead horse either way with no new points is silly. Also, we shouldn't attack or demean either "side" in this. The movie isn't even previewing or leaked. Let's give it some time and remember we're all ultimately on the same side.

Well said. Obviously, everyone is well within their rights to simply not be excited by a movie. What's unfair (and boring, tedious, pointless, and worse) is to claim that NO ONE is excited, especially in the midst of a thread where dozens of people are straight-up telling you otherwise.

It's also not quite unfair to wildly speculate about Toei's financial future, but I don't really want to read about it.

[Jinto]

I'm confused, are people thrown off by the premise of the movie or the abondance of CGI ?

[Mr_CINDER]

Just fyi, it's pretty condescending to implicitly paint anyone looking forward to this film as nothing but an obedient drone accepting whatever they're giving without question. It comes across as an easy way to dismiss anyone who disagrees with you and your pessimistic view of the film.

Look dont know about you but I grew up watching PIXAR movies(Toy Story, Incredibles etc) and that CGI is unmatched even if you compare the first Toy Story CGI to DBSSH it still looks horrible that's why I am concerned.I think something else worth pointing out is Toei's approach to CGI in general Or rather the lack of change in approach.

CGI while simmilar is a different medium with different strengths. If you look at all the examples of Disney and Pixar movies you showed on screen you'll notice they're very distinct in how the characters move and express. Even the camera movements, they're all playing to the 3D mediums strengths.

Meanwhile what we've seen of the new movie, everything is framed like a 2D anime, characters still move and express like they would in a 2D anime.

One shot that comes to mind is the shot of the Gamma 2 just talking in a very static pose as the camera coasts upwards. A shot that's common in 2D TV anime and hardly ever seen in CGI.
They're having to put in an incredible amount of effort to try an adapt the style to 3D, in an attempt to make it look almost 2D. But at that point why even bother with 3D? If you're going to just keep using stylistic choices intentionally made for the benefit of a 2D medium, why even bother using 3D in the first place.

They don't even take advantage of the inherent advantages that come with animating in 3D. They still use those "rush anime" backgrounds, typically used as a trick to convey intensity with limited 2D animation, and a clever way to avoid having to draw a new landscape background. When in CGI you don't NEED to avoid drawing new landscapes because you're animating in 3D where the entire background is already modeled, yet they insist on using elements designed for a 2D series.

Secondly, the lighting is baked in. They're not using any sort of dynamic lighting to actually cast shadows off of objects. It's drawn on as if it's a 2D anime.

[Nagyzöld]

I'm confused, are people thrown off by the premise of the movie or the abondance of CGI ?

Both I guess. In another DB group where I'm in, countless of people are calling the movie boring just because the main focus is on Gohan and Piccolo as per a recent official announcement. Which is pretty stupid of you ask me.

[PurestEvil]

I'm confused, are people thrown off by the premise of the movie or the abondance of CGI ?

Both I guess. In another DB group where I'm in, countless of people are calling the movie boring just because the main focus is on Gohan and Piccolo as per a recent official announcement. Which is pretty stupid of you ask me.

So...do they prefer the "Goku and Vegeta Show" or something?

[Majin Buu]

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The fact of the matter is, if I end up liking what the film does with the story and characters, then I'm not going to give a shit about the CGI not being Pixar-level quality.

The Gamma androids look like fun antagonists so far, so if the film ends up making me like them, then I'm not going to care all that much about the fact that they were rendered with CGI that isn't Pixar quality.

[Jinto]

I'm confused, are people thrown off by the premise of the movie or the abondance of CGI ?

Both I guess. In another DB group where I'm in, countless of people are calling the movie boring just because the main focus is on Gohan and Piccolo as per a recent official announcement. Which is pretty stupid of you ask me.

So...do they prefer the "Goku and Vegeta Show" or something?

At this point the DB fanbase has grown so much it doesn't even know what it want anymore.
We need a plague

[Mr_CINDER]

The fact of the matter is, if I end up liking what the film does with the story and characters, then I'm not going to give a shit about the CGI not being Pixar-level quality.

The Gamma androids look like fun antagonists so far, so if the film ends up making me like them, then I'm not going to care all that much about the fact that they were rendered with CGI that isn't Pixar quality.

Pixar does both why DB(a multibillion dollar franchise) is treated like that and why you are Ok with it? Those things can easily pull people out of the immersion and story.A film is supposed to be mixture of presenting The best story, best visual quality, best direction and everything a production company can offer by going above and beyond to ensure its quality and yet this movie is being half assed and you are fine with it I guess.

[Mr_CINDER]

At this point the DB fanbase has grown so much it doesn't even know what it want anymore.
We need a plague

Yeah casual fans all over the world dont care about Gohan,pan, piccolo all they want is Goku and vegeta.when you see the youtube comments of people are happy because Gohan is back or glad that its not goku again those are minority and they do not represent the gigantic worldwide casual fans.

[VegettoEX]

At this point the DB fanbase has grown so much it doesn't even know what it want anymore.
We need a plague

This is a bizarre comment. There is no singular Dragon Ball fanbase hivemind. Different people see and engage/react/respond to different things within the series. It's so large and expansive that everyone can find their own unique things that they love and enjoy, sometimes even at the expense of other aspects that they dislike, and it's been that way even long before the Super direct-to-home-video-sequel expansion came into being.

Personally, I continue to be flabbergasted that folks are expecting things out of this movie that have never been telegraphed, hinted at, or implied.

[Nagyzöld]

I'm confused, are people thrown off by the premise of the movie or the abondance of CGI ?

Both I guess. In another DB group where I'm in, countless of people are calling the movie boring just because the main focus is on Gohan and Piccolo as per a recent official announcement. Which is pretty stupid of you ask me.

So...do they prefer the "Goku and Vegeta Show" or something?

Exactly my response to them.
Many people believe that since it's starring Gohan and Piccolo, not taking the Broly scene into consideration, then the antagonists are going to be weak. Either that or Goku and Vegeta will show up at the end of the movie to clean up the mess.
I mean I get where they're coming from but naming a movie boring or shit when it's not even out, is pretty dumb and hateful.

[Majin Buu]

DB(a multibillion dollar franchise) is treated like that and why you are Ok with it?

Because the movie isn't just the CGI.

[Mr_CINDER]

DB(a multibillion dollar franchise) is treated like that and why you are Ok with it?

Because the movie isn't just the CGI.

so it is ok to compromise with CGI and make a half baked product?

[capsulecorp]

DB(a multibillion dollar franchise) is treated like that and why you are Ok with it?

Because the movie isn't just the CGI.

so it is ok to compromise with CGI and make a half baked product?

At the end of the day, what's "OK" is really up to the viewer. For example, I don't bother with the Pixar movies you mentioned, despite the lavish and expensive CGI, because I think their character designs are hideous and the stories are bland and trite. To me, that compromise is NOT ok. For others, it is! It's all good

[Majin Buu]

so it is ok to compromise with CGI and make a half baked product?

I simply choose not to hyper-focus on one aspect of the film when there's other aspects to take into account.

Story and characters matter more to me than how the thing looks. The CGI is a little weird, but it's not enough to turn me off from the whole thing.

[Mr_CINDER]

At the end of the day, what's "OK" is really up to the viewer. For example, I don't bother with the Pixar movies you mentioned, despite the lavish and expensive CGI, because I think their character designs are hideous and the stories are bland and trite. To me, that compromise is NOT ok. For others, it is! It's all good

Not every pixar movies are good but Toy story triology, Soul ,UP these are some of the best movies Pixar ever made.I am not talking about designs i am talking about CGI itself that they dont utilize the medium of 3D.This Db movie giving me Huge the incredibles vibe.

[WittyUsername]

Both I guess. In another DB group where I'm in, countless of people are calling the movie boring just because the main focus is on Gohan and Piccolo as per a recent official announcement. Which is pretty stupid of you ask me.

So...do they prefer the "Goku and Vegeta Show" or something?

Exactly my response to them.
Many people believe that since it's starring Gohan and Piccolo, not taking the Broly scene into consideration, then the antagonists are going to be weak. Either that or Goku and Vegeta will show up at the end of the movie to clean up the mess.
I mean I get where they're coming from but naming a movie boring or shit when it's not even out, is pretty dumb and hateful.

I don’t see why anyone should care about how physically strong the antagonists are. That’s absurd.

[Mr_CINDER]

so it is ok to compromise with CGI and make a half baked product?

I simply choose not to hyper-focus on one aspect of the film when there's other aspects to take into account.

Story and characters matter more to me than how the thing looks. The CGI is a little weird, but it's not enough to turn me off from the whole thing.

Red ribbon army back again despite getting destroyed multiple times and planning to paint z fighters as villain seems like Incredibles.