The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[DBZAOTA482]

Since this thread is nearly dying, let me revive it with a zenkai

Young daimao runs a gauntlet 23rd TB

(note, if he dies, he is revived by porunga for the next match)

1. ChiChi , Chappa , Yajirobe

2. Cyborg tao

3. Yamcha

(eats a senzu)

4. Krillin

(eats a senzu)

5. Weighted goku

(eats a senzu)

6. Tien

(eats a senzu)

7. Injured Piccolo jr (if goku couldn't fly)

(eats a senzu)

8. Shen (kami possessed)

How far does he get?

Loses to Yamcha or maybe even Tao... Chi-Chi and Yajirobe working together certainly wouldn't make things easy for Daimao (Chappa is non-factor), and Cyborg Tao could vaporize him with his Super Dodompa.

[apex_pretador]

Loses to Yamcha or maybe even Tao... Chi-Chi and Yajirobe working together certainly wouldn't make things easy for Daimao (Chappa is non-factor), and Cyborg Tao could vaporize him with his Super Dodompa.

Do you think young daimao is WTFlolwut weaker than old daimao?

[Khin]

Kaioshin and Kibitoshin runs the gaunlet individually.
- Cell Junior
- Piccolo (Boo Arc)
- MSSj Goku (Cell Games)
- Perfect Cell (Against Goku)
- MSSj Kid Gohan
- Perfect Cell
- SSj Goku (Boo Arc)
- SSj2 Kid Gohan
- Majin Vegeta

[Lord Beerus]

Kaioshin and Kibitoshin runs the gaunlet individually.
- Cell Junior
- Piccolo (Boo Arc)
- MSSj Goku (Cell Games)
- Perfect Cell (Against Goku)
- MSSj Kid Gohan
- Perfect Cell
- SSj Goku (Boo Arc)
- SSj2 Kid Gohan
- Majin Vegeta

- Kaioshin make it past SSJ Goku (Boo Arc) after a very tough battle but hits a brick wall against SSJ2 Kid Gohan
- Kibitoshin clears the gauntlet.

[apex_pretador]

Kaioshin and Kibitoshin runs the gaunlet individually.
- Cell Junior
- Piccolo (Boo Arc)
- MSSj Goku (Cell Games)
- Perfect Cell (Against Goku)
- MSSj Kid Gohan
- Perfect Cell
- SSj Goku (Boo Arc)
- SSj2 Kid Gohan
- Majin Vegeta

Kaioshin stops at SS goku (buu) in a close fight perfect cell , and pretty easily.

Kibitoshin clears all by himself. He does have to work hard to win against majin vegeta.

- Kaioshin make it past SSJ Goku (Boo Arc) after a very tough battle but hits a brick wall against SSJ2 Kid Gohan
- I'm not really sure how strong Kibito is. But I reckon he doesn't make it past Perfect Cell.

This is kibitoshin , kibito merged with shin , who wanted to hepl against buutenks

[DanielSSJ]

Kaioshin and Kibitoshin runs the gaunlet individually.
- Cell Junior
- Piccolo (Boo Arc)
- MSSj Goku (Cell Games)
- Perfect Cell (Against Goku)
- MSSj Kid Gohan
- Perfect Cell
- SSj Goku (Boo Arc)
- SSj2 Kid Gohan
- Majin Vegeta

Kaioshin stops at Cell Games Goku. They're of equal strength, but Goku is more suited for battle.
Kibitoshin stops at SS2 Gohan, who he is slightly weaker than.

[apex_pretador]

- Super Janemba (no sword) vs dead SS3 goku (w/ ONE senzu bean) and kid buu (serious, won't fight goku)

- SS3 gotenks & SS3 goku vs mystic gohan.

- Dr gero (pre vegeta) VS Yakon

- Pui Pui vs Zarbon (regular)

- Bulked up cell vs super perfect cell (equal speed)

[DanielSSJ]

- Super Janemba (no sword) vs dead SS3 goku (w/ ONE senzu bean) and kid buu (serious, won't fight goku)

- SS3 gotenks & SS3 goku vs mystic gohan.

- Dr Gero (pre vegeta) VS Yakon

- Pui Pui vs Zarbon (regular)

- Bulked up cell vs super perfect cell (equal speed)

- Janemba is Ultimate Gohan tier in my book, and easily picks apart Goku and Pure Boo.
- Gohan overpowers both of them, and Goku is way too behind the both of them to help Gotenks win.
- Power-wise, the two are practically even in my book, being behind 100% Freeza but still in the same tier. Gero is smarter, mostly likely more skilled, and has a more useful energy absorption ability than Yakon does. Gero wins, but he''l have to work for it.
- I generally peg Pui Pui as being around Oozaru Vegeta's level, so Zarbon is boned.
- Super Perfect Cell is more powerful in my book and doesn't have the stamina problem that Bulky Cell would have.

[Lord Beerus]

This is kibitoshin , kibito merged with shin , who wanted to hepl against buutenks

Oops. Mis-read. I'll go back and edit my comment.

[AvatarReiko]

SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga) and Kid Buu vs Super Jenemba

- For the sake of the argument, Kid Buu is fully co-operating with Goku/perfect team work
- Absorbsion and Candy technique are restricted
- Goku is dead

[Lord Beerus]

SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga) and Kid Buu vs Super Jenemba

- For the sake of the argument, Kid Buu is fully co-operating with Goku/perfect team work
- Absorbsion and Candy technique are restricted
- Goku is dead

Super Janemba kills Goku and Kid Boo with medium effort. Janemba's reality warping power would be just too much for Goku and Boo to manage with.

[ZombieVito]

Since this thread is nearly dying, let me revive it with a zenkai

Young daimao runs a gauntlet 23rd TB

(note, if he dies, he is revived by porunga for the next match)

1. ChiChi , Chappa , Yajirobe

2. Cyborg tao

3. Yamcha

(eats a senzu)

4. Krillin

(eats a senzu)

5. Weighted goku

(eats a senzu)

6. Tien

(eats a senzu)

7. Injured Piccolo jr (if goku couldn't fly)

(eats a senzu)

8. Shen (kami possessed)

How far does he get?

Beats 1, 2 ,3, 4 and 6. Losses to 5.

Kaioshin and Kibitoshin runs the gaunlet individually.
- Cell Junior
- Piccolo (Boo Arc)
- MSSj Goku (Cell Games)
- Perfect Cell (Against Goku)
- MSSj Kid Gohan
- Perfect Cell
- SSj Goku (Boo Arc)
- SSj2 Kid Gohan
- Majin Vegeta

Kaioshin stops at SSJ Gohan.
Kibitoshin stops at SSJ2 Gohan.

- Super Janemba (no sword) vs dead SS3 goku (w/ ONE senzu bean) and kid buu (serious, won't fight goku)

- SS3 gotenks & SS3 goku vs mystic gohan.

- Dr gero (pre vegeta) VS Yakon

- Pui Pui vs Zarbon (regular)

- Bulked up cell vs super perfect cell (equal speed)

No idea.
Gohan endures the fight and beats Goku and a defused Gotenks.
Gero wins after a good fight.
Pui Pui finger flicks.
Super Perfect Cell beats his inferior self just as easily as Gohan.

[Analytic]

How could Young King Piccolo defeat 23rd Tournament Tenshinhan? Tenshinhan beat someone stronger and faster.

[ZombieVito]

How could Young King Piccolo defeat 23rd Tournament Tenshinhan? Tenshinhan beat someone stronger and faster.

Because 260 beats someone who is < 250.

[Analytic]

That's not necessarily the case. Tenshinhan's battle power may be inferior (not that I agree, but I'm not ruling out the possibility), but even so, he's still able to defeat weighted Goku who Tenshinhan himself states is far stronger than he was three years prior (which by extension would make him stronger than King Piccolo).

If someone faster and stronger than King Piccolo can't defeat Tenshinhan, then King Piccolo can't defeat Tenshinhan.

Spoiler:

Tenshinhan: “Son, you are truly incredible. 3 years ago, your strength was all but perfect. I’m amazed that you’ve managed to go so far above even that. However, there’s one thing that you haven’t changed that much from 3 years ago. And that’s something especially important in battle…speed!”

[ZombieVito]

That's not necessarily the case. Tenshinhan's battle power may be inferior (not that I agree, but I'm not ruling out the possibility), but even so, he's still able to defeat weighted Goku who Tenshinhan himself states is far stronger than he was three years prior (which by extension would make him stronger than King Piccolo).

If someone faster and stronger than King Piccolo can't defeat Tenshinhan, then King Piccolo can't defeat Tenshinhan.

Tenshinhan couldn't defeat weighted Goku. The only reason he seemed superior to Goku was because of his speed and he still couldn't damaged him in anyway.

[apex_pretador]

That's not necessarily the case. Tenshinhan's battle power may be inferior (not that I agree, but I'm not ruling out the possibility), but even so, he's still able to defeat weighted Goku who Tenshinhan himself states is far stronger than he was three years prior (which by extension would make him stronger than King Piccolo).

If someone faster and stronger than King Piccolo can't defeat Tenshinhan, then King Piccolo can't defeat Tenshinhan.

Tenshinhan couldn't defeat weighted Goku. The only reason he seemed superior to Goku was because of his speed and he still couldn't damaged him in anyway.

He couldn't damage him because his "actual" power was way beyond tien's , as weights only suppress speed, not durability & strength

[ZombieVito]

That's not necessarily the case. Tenshinhan's battle power may be inferior (not that I agree, but I'm not ruling out the possibility), but even so, he's still able to defeat weighted Goku who Tenshinhan himself states is far stronger than he was three years prior (which by extension would make him stronger than King Piccolo).

If someone faster and stronger than King Piccolo can't defeat Tenshinhan, then King Piccolo can't defeat Tenshinhan.

Tenshinhan couldn't defeat weighted Goku. The only reason he seemed superior to Goku was because of his speed and he still couldn't damaged him in anyway.

He couldn't damage him because his "actual" power was way beyond tien's , as weights only suppress speed, not durability & strength

False.

Chapter: 199 (DBZ 5), P9.5, P10.2
Context: said after Piccolo removes his weights
Raditz: “Hmm?! His battle power increased to 408...!"

Chapter: 199 (DBZ 5), P9.5, P10.2
Context: said after Goku removes his weights
Raditz: “Kakarot is 416...!”

[DBZAOTA482]

That's not necessarily the case. Tenshinhan's battle power may be inferior (not that I agree, but I'm not ruling out the possibility), but even so, he's still able to defeat weighted Goku who Tenshinhan himself states is far stronger than he was three years prior (which by extension would make him stronger than King Piccolo).

If someone faster and stronger than King Piccolo can't defeat Tenshinhan, then King Piccolo can't defeat Tenshinhan.

Tenshinhan couldn't defeat weighted Goku. The only reason he seemed superior to Goku was because of his speed and he still couldn't damaged him in anyway.

Weighted Goku couldn't damage Tien either and Tien was depicted as equal to him strength-wise only being at a disadvantage because Goku knew how to move without wasting energy.

[apex_pretador]

Tenshinhan couldn't defeat weighted Goku. The only reason he seemed superior to Goku was because of his speed and he still couldn't damaged him in anyway.

He couldn't damage him because his "actual" power was way beyond tien's , as weights only suppress speed, not durability & strength

False.

Chapter: 199 (DBZ 5), P9.5, P10.2
Context: said after Piccolo removes his weights
Raditz: “Hmm?! His battle power increased to 408...!"

Chapter: 199 (DBZ 5), P9.5, P10.2
Context: said after Goku removes his weights
Raditz: “Kakarot is 416...!”

You are showing that power level of weighted goku > PL of unweighted goku. Obviously.
But do the clothes decrease the durability? If anything, they'll increase the durability of a fighter.

Also, weighted goku was evenly matched with suppressed tien. (wow , no autochange?) before tien increased his speed.

If tien forced to remove weights of goku , who was "MUCH" superior in every aspect than speed to his kid self , then how can't he defeat daimao.


If Kami at (OFFICIAL) 220 can defeat 260 daimao with a finger flick , i don't see how tien at 250 can't.