Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[JeffJarrett]

They're actually not mentioned in the DBO timeline; Toriyama just talks about them in his Super Exciting Guide: Character Volume interview. People have speculated for a long time that the character Towa in DBO is a Makaioshin, but I don't believe this has ever been officially confirmed anywhere. The way things are looking now, it's possible Toriyama came up with the idea of Makaioshins for this movie rather than DBO. But I guess only time will tell.

Agree, people keeps associating Makaioshin with DBO while, officially, there in no Makaioshin in DBO. They're not even mentioned in any timeline or DBO website.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

True, Towa has not being confirmed as a Makaioshin, but it's still possible. The only things that could be considered as clues are that she looks like a Shinian (just a colored humanoid race), and she wears Potara-like earrings.

[dbzfan7]

I can't wait for Son Goku vs Space Mr. Bigglesworth

[TheDevilsCorpse]

True, Towa has not being confirmed as a Makaioshin, but it's still possible. The only things that could be considered as clues are that she looks like a Shinian (just a colored humanoid race), and she wears Potara-like earrings.

Uh, there is also the whole plot point about her creating Miira in Makai, where the Makaioshin are holed up.

[JeffJarrett]

It's not the first time the Makai is mentioned in series without involving Makaioshin. Goku visits it in Dragon Ball when he meets Shula, and isn't Dabura the said to be king of the Makai?

[NeoKING]

It's not the first time the Makai is mentioned in series without involving Makaioshin. Goku visits it in Dragon Ball when he meets Shula, and isn't Dabura the said to be king of the Makai?

Well, if this is true, we're gonna see who rules over Dabura. Gohan's probably gonna have to fight one of Dabura's most loyal servants or something, who is seeking revenge for the one who did in the Master of Hell.

Speaking of Hell, if this movie really does attempt to make some connections to GT, like SSJ Ultimate Gohan, what about some consistency in the way Hell looks in GT with how it looks in the movie? But, in GT it looked pretty plain and lame.

[dprez]

"Battle Of Gods"

Cool title.

[DNA]

Well, if this is true, we're gonna see who rules over Dabura. Gohan's probably gonna have to fight one of Dabura's most loyal servants or something, who is seeking revenge for the one who did in the Master of Hell.

Speaking of Hell, if this movie really does attempt to make some connections to GT, like SSJ Ultimate Gohan, what about some consistency in the way Hell looks in GT with how it looks in the movie? But, in GT it looked pretty plain and lame.

Dude, Makai and Hell are two different realms.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

It's not the first time the Makai is mentioned in series without involving Makaioshin. Goku visits it in Dragon Ball when he meets Shula, and isn't Dabura the said to be king of the Makai?

True, but both of those were before the Makaioshin concept was introduced...hell, one was WAY before Toriyama even designed his little cosmos ball. She doesn't have to be a Makaioshin and there are arguments for each side, but I think most of it leans in favor of her being one. We'll probably have to wait for the Buu Arc TMQ's for confirmation though, she'll most likely have interactions with Kaioshin...which would be interesting now that I think about the possibility.

Gohan's probably gonna have to fight one of Dabura's most loyal servants or something, who is seeking revenge for the one who did in the Master of Hell.

As DNA said, two different things. Hell is in the Afterlife, Makai is an alternate realm below the mortal universe. The rest of it still stands as a possibility though, just swap Hell for Makai. lol

[NeoKING]

Well, if this is true, we're gonna see who rules over Dabura. Gohan's probably gonna have to fight one of Dabura's most loyal servants or something, who is seeking revenge for the one who did in the Master of Hell.

Speaking of Hell, if this movie really does attempt to make some connections to GT, like SSJ Ultimate Gohan, what about some consistency in the way Hell looks in GT with how it looks in the movie? But, in GT it looked pretty plain and lame.

Dude, Makai and Hell are two different realms.

Sooooo the world of demons and evil is a whole nother can of worms than Hell.

Go Dragon Ball

[Saiga]

Sooooo the world of demons and evil is a whole nother can of worms than Hell.

Go Dragon Ball

Yes, because Hell is where sinners go when they die.

[NeoKING]

To carry on what I said about Gohan fighting a Demon God / Devil seeking vengeance on Dabura's death, his name would probably be "Aburaka / Abraca." Y'know, "Dabura," "AburakaDabura."

Go Toriyama sen say

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

"Battle Of Gods"

Cool title.

Hm, I find it kinda generic, but I'm not gonna complain.

I guess the shorter title is part of the whole "Modern Flavour" thing Toriyama was talking about.

It's weird seeing a DBZ movie title that isn't something to the effect of:
A Thrilling, Explosive Battle!!! The Mightiest of Goku's Rivals are those in the Holy Realm!!

[DNA]

Sooooo the world of demons and evil is a whole nother can of worms than Hell.

Go Dragon Ball

To carry on what I said about Gohan fighting a Demon God / Devil seeking vengeance on Dabura's death, his name would probably be "Aburaka / Abraca." Y'know, "Dabura," "AburakaDabura."

Go Toriyama sen say

Stop making shit up. You're finding holes and being sarcastic about things that are not even certain yet.

Yes, Hell is different from the Ankoko Makai:

- Hell is where Yenma sends bad people after they die, it's part of the Afterlife, it was seen when Goku was travelling the Snake Way, when Goku and Paikuhan go there as enforcers, when Janemba attacked the Afterlife realm, when the villains are cheering for Buu and when the villains are plotting against Goku during GT. This is also where Akkuman comes from. It is situated right above the living realm, under the Snake Way and all that.

- Makai is where Dabra is from, supposedly he's the king there, which might mean that he was in fact the Kaio there, maybe, although nothing was ever said about that. We possibly see it briefly whilst Gohan is fighting Dabra and Babidi changes the battle grounds, but again, nothing is stated that it is or isn't. It is situated at the very bottom tip of the whole cosmos.

Edit:
Have a pic:

Maybe this will make things a bit more clearer for you.

[NeoKING]

Sooooo the world of demons and evil is a whole nother can of worms than Hell.

Go Dragon Ball

To carry on what I said about Gohan fighting a Demon God / Devil seeking vengeance on Dabura's death, his name would probably be "Aburaka / Abraca." Y'know, "Dabura," "AburakaDabura."

Go Toriyama sen say

Stop making shit up. You're finding holes and being sarcastic about things that are not even certain yet.

Why so serious guy? I was just speculating.

Thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't aware that they were different zones, even though they all looked different.

[Herms]

Soooooo the world of demons and evil is a whole nother can of worms than Hell.

Go Dragon Ball

The Makai/Demon World as a place seperate from Hell is a very standard feature of Japanese fantasy fiction, which is why Toriyama and the anime staff both came up with basically the same thing years apart. See also Yu Yu Hakusho for a big example elsewhere in the Jump library. In video games it's central to Darkstalkers, Disgaea, Shin-Megami Tensei, and Ghosts n' Goblins (aka Makai-mura). In Disgaea the Demon World is where bad people go when they die, but usually it's more of a seperate dimension of demonic creatures and has little if anything to do with the afterlife. Originally it was a Buddhist term referring to states of mind that prevented one from reaching enlightenment, but nowadays it's basically used as a way to have fun with demonic imagery without all the pesky theological implications of Hell.

[Chuquita]

I just found the cover to November's (January 2013) V-Jump
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/549/ ... b1e74c.jpg
Which has an unusually generic and spoiler-free cover.

Counting the hours til' interior scans and spoilers arrive.

[NeoKING]

I just found the cover to November's (January 2013) V-Jump
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/549/ ... b1e74c.jpg
Which has an unusually generic and spoiler-free cover.

Counting the hours til' interior scans and spoilers arrive.

That's because that issue focuses on DBH rather than the movie.

[samuraix123]

DNA, Thanks for that picture! Haha that's awesome! I'm going to save that to my computer that way I'll have a copy of it encase I need it for future reference

Edit - Could I get just a tiny bit of help here without going off topic? When I saved that picture above that DNA posted. The picture isn't clear like his on my computer. mine has a checkerboard behind it? How do you fix that? I've noticed that if I save a picture that has clear white background, it will just make the background black.

But when I upload the pictures on sites like photobucket it's clear and doesn't have the checkerboard haha

[VegettoEX]

It's likely a transparent PNG. That's an empty background layer you're seeing. You can resave it out as either a non-transparent PNG or something lossy like a JPG to force a white (or any other color) background.