Bansho64 wrote:Nappa vs Jaco
Even if this is Jaco from
Resurrection F, who may be considerably stronger than in his own prequel story... I doubt he's become strong enough to wear down Nappa's insane durability and defense. The big burly Saiyan wins.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Cyborg Tao vs. Piccolo Daimao (young; initial)
Going by the numbers, officially still nobody but Goku was a match for King Piccolo at the 23rd tournament and even into the start of Z. But even putting aside the power level aspects of it, in a narrative sense I can't see Tao being a match for anything but the old and emaciated King Piccolo at the very best.
Bansho64 wrote:Second Form Cell vs Kaioshin
Kaioshin was considerably stronger than Piccolo, who should have improved at least moderately since the Cell arc, where after his Room of Spirit and Time training he was "on a whole different level." As far as I'm concerned, that makes him a match for Stage-2 Cell at the very
least, so naturally Kaioshin would be far stronger. Comparing my imaginary numbers, Kaioshin is almost 3 times as strong as this Cell and could whoop him easily as long as he doesn't chicken out for some reason.
apex_pretador wrote:Chiaotzu (post Kami) VS BoZ Goku , no Telekinesis / psychic powers
Regular Zarbon vs Ginyu Goku, no body change
Regular Zarbon vs Krillin (vs Ginyu goku)
Piccolo (pre kami) vs bulked up freeza on Namek
Piccolo (CG) vs Perfect cell (as he fought vegeta)
Yakon vs King Cold
Tao Pai Pai vs Saibaman ripoff from Movie 2
The 3 bio fighters, who fought & beat roshi (Movie 2) VS Raditz, all at once, strong tail
Turles (Moon ball, indestructible tail) vs KaioKen Goku (Namek)
— Depends on whose ki-amp skills are better. Goku's at a disadvantage in baseline power (400-ish to Chaozu's 600-something), but the odds are good that he can output a Kamehameha stronger than what Chaozu can defend against.
— I'm thinking Ginyu fighting in a still unfamiliar body is going to work against him here.
— The odds are probably in Kuririn's favor due to skill. Ki sensing and amplification abilities are a big advantage in any close-powers fight.
— Piccolo's got a comfortable power lead, and can either win outright or easily stall until Freeza loses stamina and power to make the victory even more one-sided.
— Piccolo puts up a fight but ultimately doesn't do much better than Vegeta did.
— By my made-up numbers, Yakon's got a very minor power advantage. Odds are he's a more skilled fighter and would win even without it, though.
— My gut says Tao Pai Pai could beat one or two of the bio-buggers at best. But not more than that like Roshi did but Gohan somehow couldn't.
— Goku's sporting the Kaio-Ken, so he's at least as strong as he was versus Vegeta, and even he struggled somewhat to defeat Dr. Kochin's trio of Bio-Warriors. Raditz doesn't have a prayer unless he goes Oozaru.
— Tullece can either go Oozaru or eat the Tree of Might's fruit to win. Either one will put him at least on par with or comfortably ahead of Goku's PL of 180,000.
Bansho64 wrote:King Kai vs Nappa
Even if Kaio can manage to pull off some version of his Kaio-Ken technique and become momentarily stronger than Nappa, he probably won't do well enough to break through the big lug's defenses. It's just going to wear him out and make him an easier target.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Nam vs. General Blue
My gut says General Blue wins, but only thanks to his paralysis technique.
Bansho64 wrote:Kuririn (Cell Saga) vs Jheese and Butta
Kuririn went from a PL of 20,000 or so all the way up to 75,000 in the few hours between fighting Ginyu-Goku and fighting Freeza. If his power kept growing during the fight, he may well have hit 100,000 before he died. Add on 3 years of training before the Androids on top of that, and he's quite possibly pushing 150,000. Suffice to say, when packing power like that he can simultaneously spank both Butta and Jheese with utter ease.
Doctor. wrote:Hirudegarn (final form) vs Gotenks Boo
Hirudegarn is outclassed in raw power, and odds are that Piccolo's brains will let Boo figure out Hirudegarn's weakness and exploit it. It's a tough fight, but Boo eventually wins. Like
SSJ3 Vegeta said, Boo might even nail Hirudegarn with a transformation beam during a solid moment and turn him into candy.
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:Kami [If his youth have been restored] vs. Piccolo[/b]
I doubt Kami his youth restored alone would be enough. Piccolo Jr's a Warrior-type Namekian now unlike his sire, and now has an added natural edge in combat. Young Kami would need considerable extra training time to make up for that.
LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:Everyone Vs Piccolo right after he cheap shotted Goku during the countdown. It kills Goku, they're all that's left. No Kami suicide allowed.
Despite what Piccolo boasted, as tired and batted as he already was I doubt he'd withstand a Kikoho and not at least get seriously messed up by it. That or a rare successful MaFuBa would be the peanut gallery's only hope of victory, though.
As for the power level numbers side-conversation about this match... the fight with Raditz showed that at these early stages, power levels could fluctuate a
lot depending on what the characters did. The numbers for the Earthling crew read by Bulma, as well as the ones given by the guidebooks for the pre-Raditz portions of the story, could easily just be baseline powers that don't accurately reflect how the characters compare when they get serious.
apex_pretador wrote:Bojack Blue vs Super Saiyan broly (M8, no restraining, no LSS)
Green Bojack vs LSS M8 broly
Blue Bojack vs cell (against goku)
Green Bojack vs Cell (against gohan)
Green Bojack vs FP cell
Blue Bojack vs his team (no strings)
Green Bojack vs his team (strings allowed)
Bojack's team vs Cell jrs (all)
Broly M8 and bojack green vs FP cell and CG Goku
— They're similar in power, but Bojack's a much more clever and skilled fighter than Broli, who doesn't know how to do much more than indiscriminately smash ad blast things.
— Same deal for how their powers compare, but now Broli's ridiculous sheer size and bulk might give him an extra edge. I think the odds are still ever so slightly in Bojack's favor though.
— Yet again the powers are similar (seeing a trend in how I estimate movie characters yet?), but this time Cell's the one with the skill and ability edge. Bojack's gonna lose this one.
— Ditto. I don't think Cell's power really changed between fighting SS Goku and SS Gohan (he just used more speed at that one point), so this match is no different from the previous one.
— One more time! Similar powers, but Cell is more skilled and naturally gifted.
— If Bojack's crew could beat up on Super Saiyan Gohan, then they could do the same to their boss at this level of power, probably without the power-sapping string restraints.
— This might be a different story. The crew's psychic strings were able to restrain Super Saiyan Gohan, but not his Super Saiyan 2 form by a long shot, and this Bojack's power falls somewhere in the middle of that difference. If the strings can at least slow him down a bit and sap a little of his power, then the crew might stand a very, very slim chance.
— Bojack's crew are outnumbered (4 against 7), outclassed in power (based on Gokua being weaker than Trunks, who struggled against a single Cell Junior), and totally boned. They rely on teamwork and strength in numbers, and they have neither one here.
— Cell could beat either Broli or Bojack one-on-one, but not both at once. Goku's help isn't going to matter much.
In Brightest Day wrote:- LSSJ Broli (Second Coming) vs. Mr. Boo.
- LSSJ Broli (Second Coming) vs. Kibitoshin.
- Dabra vs. Piccolo (ROF).
- Ginyu Force vs. Krillin and Tenshinhan (both Android arc, no Ki-Ko-Ho).
- Mercenary Tao vs. Son Goku (pre- Karin training), Jackie Chun, Nam, Krillin, Yamcha (all RRA arc).
- Shisami (RoF) vs. SSJ Vegeta (Cell Games).
— I'll assume you mean the weaker Boo who lost over half his power when Pure Evil Boo split from him. In which case, Broli has a decent power advantage. But it's not big enough, nor is Broli clever enough, to get past Boo's regeneration and infinite stamina and finish him off. Eventually Boo's going to get backed into a corner, and poor Broli isn't likely to dodge a candy beam.
— Kaioshin's similar in strength to Broli, but I don't at all think he's a good enough fighter to take him down.
— Hard to tell how much Piccolo's improved in those 6 years, so there's no good way to answer this one. I don't even have made-up numbers for the movie to reference. My gut says he'd at least give Dabra a good fight.
— The strongest Earthling and his 3-eyed bitch only win if it's a two-stage battle wherein they take on the four lesser Ginyu Force members and then Captain Ginyu himself. They don't have enough of a power advantage to fight him while he's got his entire team providing backup.
— I'm guessing Tao Pai Pai takes this one. Goku and Muten Roshi would be a challenge, but once he gets through them the rest are easy pickings.
— Not sure, since I don't have even a halfway-concrete opinion on where Shisami's power lies. It'd probably be a close fight though.
iop890 wrote:South Kaioshin vs... Semi-Perfect Cell, Perfect Cell, Super Perfect Cell, Dabura
I've got a feeling that "Super Perfect" Cell is the only one who South Kaioshin may not be able to beat.
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:- Grey Buu vs. Kid Buu
- Base Gotenks [Pre RoSaT] vs. Piccolo [Buu Arc]
- Base Gotenks [Pre RoSaT] vs. SSj Gotenks [Pre RoSaT]
- SSj3 Gotenks vs. Ultimate Gohan [Yes,Gotenks is weaker,but will the Kamikazee ghost work on Gohan ?]
- SSj2 Majin Vegeta [No Ki blasts] vs. Super Perfect Cell
— Pure Boo wins. The whole "Pure Evil Boo is the same as Pure Boo" idea has merit, but I'm not going to subscribe to it until it gets official backing.
— Gotenks' base power is meaningless and accomplished nothing. Working backwards from where I place him as a Super Saiyan, he's "only" about as strong as Super Saiyan Goku on Namek. Piccolo defeats him with a single swat.
— I never have, and I probably never will, bought into the idea that base Gotenks somehow not only caught up to but surpassed his prior Super Saiyan self in less than 2 weeks, while limited to 30 minute training sessions with hour-long gaps between them, while also spending considerable time attaining Super Saiyan 3 and making up a variety of new attacks. Base Gotenks' power level has "only" roughly doubled in my book, and his prior Super Saiyan self could still disintegrate him with a single gesture.
— Since you specifically brought them up, a volley of Kamikaze Ghosts from Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks probably could seriously mess Gohan up if he were hit by them. If they do (and knowing Gohan they probably would), then I don't doubt he'd be significantly weakened and easy prey for Gotenks.
— The power difference between Vegeta and Cell here isn't all that huge... placing this restriction on Vegeta could take away a good chunk of his advantage, but probably not enough. He'd more than likely still be able to outmaneuver Cell and pummel him into submission.
Smilodon wrote:Mr. Satan vs Chapa-O?
Yamcha vs Giran? First tenkaichi budokai
King Cold vs Cell Jr?
Dabura vs Fat Boo (2nd Form)?
Kaioshin vs Gotenks base?
Videl vs Chi Chi?
Mai vs Bulma?
Nail vs Reecom?
— Mr. Satan's strong, but still only on an "average Joe" level compared to most of the series' past tournament contenders. King Chappa doesn't have any trouble with him.
— I doubt Yamcha has the raw strength to overwhelm Giran like Goku did. I don't see him escaping Giran's gum-binding, for example.
— Uh... unless this is supposed to be an "equal powers" type match, King Cold gets easily massacred. It's not even a fight.
— What do you mean "second form?" His weaker self after losing over half his power to Pure Evil Boo? Even being weakened that much, he's still more or less on the same level as the Super Saiyan 2s, and Dabra is absolutely no match for him.
— Gotenks' base form is nothing special. Kaioshin easily wrecks him.
— Videl's "Ki Usage 101" training from Gohan taught her to fly, but that specific focus probably means her actual power level didn't increase that much. Chi-Chi, meanwhile, is an often underrated powerhouse who was comparable to Muten Roshi in raw strength. Videl's ability to fly isn't going to help her much when Chi-Chi can smack her around like she's playing ping-pong against a wall.
— Bulma starts explicitly describing her sexual exploits with Vegeta, which causes Mai to freak out and faint. Bulma wins.
— Nail could beat any of the Ginyu Force trio (Recoome, Butta, or Jheese) one-on-one in my book. They're probably close to his 42,000 power level, but he's definitely got a skill advantage.
Smilodon wrote:Satan vs Launch
Yakon vs Piccolo (Majin Boo saga)
Roshi vs Blue (Budokai rules)
Gohan Grandpa vs Tao Pai Pai
Gurd vs Chiaotzu (no rules)
— If Lunch is allowed to use her guns, then obviously Mr. Satan's not bulletproof. If not, then whatever street fighting skills she possesses aren't nearly enough to overcome The Champ.
— Since base Goku and Gohan working together could presumably beat Yakon, then he isn't any stronger than 100% Freeza in my book. Piccolo is obviously far, FAR beyond that level by now. His hearing's even better than Goku's too, in case he has to fight Yakon in the dark.
— If anyone has some clever or skill-based way to get around or counter Blue's paralysis technique, it's Muten Roshi. Once that's out of the way, I suspect he's also got the power to beat Blue pretty easily.
— Grandpa Gohan gave Goku a much more challenging fight than Tao Pai Pai did. I'm guessing he wins.
— Chaozu from which time period? After his extended training time on Kaio's, I have no doubt he's become powerful enough to trump Gurd in power. He may even be able to counter Gurd's telekinesis with his own somehow.
Bansho64 wrote:Videl vs 22nd Budokai Kuririn
Same end result as the match with Chi-Chi before. Simply learning how to use what low amount of ki she has to fly doesn't mean Videl has broken beyond the "superhuman" threshold. Kuririn had done that by the 21st tournament, to say nothing of the 22nd.
