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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:06 pm

uzuni wrote:Oh come on, man. It's not like he aimed at him. He simply avoided it. I'm sure even Kame-Sen'nin would be able to do that. This proves nothing about his battle power.
Piccolo wasn't able to avoid Freeza's beam, even though he wasn't being aimed at...
Are you saying that Freeza using only a fraction of his power has a death beam, that's faster, than Gero, even though Gero can't possibly be that weak?

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by p123 » Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:12 pm

Didn't know that was a fake. Are some of the numbers VJUMP , specifically the Z fighters vs Nappa?

I did think it was weird to see Cell/Buu arc levels, since I have never heard of any official guide getting into that. The highest I ever heard was for Cooler at 470 million.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by nathantheguitarist » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:24 pm

Kaboom wrote:Toma - 5500
Totepo - 5200
Panbukin - 4900
...
Selypa - 4700
I disapprove.
Kaboom wrote:(All pretty damn strong for "low-class" Saiyans, but they got overpowered by Dodoria and his cronies.)
Only Toma and Totapo were shown to actually be killed by them. Dodoria could've been like "Alright men, kill them. As for you, *points at Selypa* bitch... bend over!" So for all we know, Dodoria could have dropped his pants causing Selypa to kill Panbukin out of rage, and she then committed suicide so as to not suffer an experience worth than death.

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-Saiya-jin-
Totteppo - 3,200
+ Oozaru - 32,000
Panbukin - 3,650
+ Oozaru - 36,500
Selypa - 3,800
+ Oozaru - 38,000
Toma - 4,100
+ Oozaru - 41,000
Bardock - 9,200
+ Oozaru - 92,000

~Planet Meat~
Totteppo - 3,200
Panbukin - 3,650
Selypa - 3,800
Toma - 4,100
Bardock - 10,500
+ Injured - 4,000
This is a little more like it, but this:
Selypa being in the middle is mainly due to the fact she got more attention in the story than Totteppo and Panbukin, but less than Toma or Bardock.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Senzu_Bean » Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:21 pm

Uhmm... can I post on this thread a list of characters' strengths comparison, instead of battle powers? I have a little list I would like to share with you guys.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Kaboom » Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:05 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:Uhmm... can I post on this thread a list of characters' strengths comparison, instead of battle powers? I have a little list I would like to share with you guys.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Senzu_Bean » Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:26 pm

Okay then. I have made a little list for arcs after the Freeza arc, or by other words, when the characters strength became a little more harder to grasp. It is my view on the characters strength and is something simple and with only the stronger (that matters to the plot) characters. I want to see what your guys thoughts are but, please, don't fill up your replies with unnecessary logic and explanation. You read it downwards by arc and:

= At pair with
> Can fight back, but is a lost battle
>> Can hold against, but is totally outclassed
>>> Owned!
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Artificial Humans arc

Trunks Super Saiyan 3rd Grade
> Cell Heavily-suppressed
= Goku Full-powered Super Saiyan 50%
>> Vegeta Super Saiyan 2nd Grade
= Trunks Super Saiyan 2nd Grade
>>> Cell Semi-Perfect
>>> Artificial Human #16
= Cell Imperfect
>>> Super Piccolo
= Artificial Human #17
> Artificial Human #18
= Vegeta Super Saiyan
> Goku Super Saiyan
> Trunks Super Saiyan
> Piccolo
>>> Artificial Human #20
> Artificial Human #19

Cell Games

Cell Power-weighted
> Gohan Mad Super Saiyan 2
= Cell Powered-up
>>> Cell Full-powered
>> Cell Suppressed
> Gohan Full-powered Super Saiyan
> Goku Full-powered Super Saiyan
> Vegeta Full-powered Super Saiyan
= Trunks Full-powered Super Saiyan
= Cell Jr.
>> Piccolo

Majin Buu arc

Vegetto Super Saiyan
>>> Majin Buu Evil Merged w/Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks & Goten
> Majin Buu Evil Merged w/Gotenks & Piccolo
>>> Majin Buu Pure Powered-weight
> Gohan The Mightiest Warrior
>> Majin Buu Evil Merged w/Piccolo & Gotenks
> Gotenks Super Saiyan 3
= Majin Buu Evil
>> Goku Super Saiyan 3
> Majin Buu Pure
>> Gotenks Super Saiyan
= Majin Buu Innocent
>> Vegeta Majin Super Saiyan 2
= Goku Super Saiyan 2
> Vegeta Super Saiyan 2
> Dabura
> Gohan Super Saiyan 2
>> East Kaioshin
>> Goku Super Saiyan
> Vegeta Super Saiyan
> Gohan Super Saiyan
>> Piccolo
> Trunks Super Saiyan
> Goten Super Saiyan

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by p123 » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:28 pm

Artificial Humans Arc


17/18 >= Kamiccolo W/Weights > Cell Pre Absorbtion >= SSJ Vegeta

Just add Piccolo/Cell.




Cell Games


I don't know if I would want to touch Cell Power Weighted but you could be right.


I think Cell Suppressed = SSJ Gohan

I don't agree with Piccolo, I think he's fodder by this time.


Buu Saga


I think Buff Buu is stronger than Super sure, but not by all that much.

Gohan > Buff > Super IMO

Oi, Have a lot of disagreements here let me just post what I think, Buu arc has so many varying POVs.


SSJ Vegetto
Buuhan
( Base Gokan )
Buutenks
(SSJ Gogeta )
Base Vegetto
Gohan
Buff Buu
SSJ3 Gotenks >= Super Buu
(Base Gogeta)
SSJ2 Gotenks
SSJ Gotenks
Base Gotenks
SSJ Gotenks Pre = SSJ3 Goku = Kid Buu
Fat Buu >= SSJ2 Gohan Post Zeta Sword
Base Gotenks Pre
SSJ2 Majin/Post Majin Vegeta/Goku
SSJ2 Vegeta Pre Majin
KibitoShin
SSJ2 Teen Gohan
SSJ Goku/MajinVeg/Post Majin Veg
SSJ Vegeta
Dabura >= SSJ Teen Gohan
SSJ Kids Post Rosat
Kaioshin
SSJ Kids Pre Rosat
Base Goku/Maj/PostMaj
Base Vegeta
Base Teen Gohan
Piccolo
Yakon
Kibito
18


Whew, that was a lot. Hmm, ever notice how people generally can all agree on Freeza/Cell sagas, but Buu always calls for a lot of debate. Damn you AT!

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Rocketman » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:04 pm

All the problems with the Buu arc begin when Vegetto defuses.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by p123 » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:28 pm

Why then?

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by uzuni » Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:44 am

Going back to Senzu Bean's list and his "battle outcome symbols" (At pair with, can fight back but is a lost battle, etc.), if these rankings had corresponding percentages, what would they be? (Losing fighter's BP/Winning fighter's BP) In my opinion, they should go a little something like this:

100-95% At pair with
94.9-90% Can fight back, but is a lost battle
89.9-85% Can hold against, but is totally outclassed
84.9% and lower Owned!

For example, in my list, I had Super Vegeta at 1,012,000,000 and Imperfect Cell at 835,000,000. Dividing the two gives you 0.825 (82.5%), which would classify as "owned!"

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Rocketman » Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:34 am

p123 wrote:Why then?
Because all the strength and plot inconsistencies in the Buu arc are completely based on what happens afterwards/what is retconned in afterwards.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Senzu_Bean » Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:05 am

uzuni wrote:Going back to Senzu Bean's list and his "battle outcome symbols" (At pair with, can fight back but is a lost battle, etc.), if these rankings had corresponding percentages, what would they be? (Losing fighter's BP/Winning fighter's BP)
I didn't thought in such thing but if I have to say something regarding this it would be:

At pair with: 90%-100%
Can fight back, but is a lost battle: 75%-90%
Can hold against, but is totally outclassed: 50%-75%
Owned!: 1%-49%

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by uzuni » Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:47 am

Have you made any power level lists of your own?

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Herms » Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:00 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:At pair with: 90%-100%
Can fight back, but is a lost battle: 75%-90%
Can hold against, but is totally outclassed: 50%-75%
Owned!: 1%-49%
Regardless of the percentages used, I think categories like "can fight back, but is a lost battle" are too deterministic. I think a more useful way of looking at it would be in odds of winning or losing, like in boxing matches or horse races. For example, if two characters are dead even, then the odds of either winning is about 50/50. If they fought 100 times, on average each would win about 50 times. On the other hand, if one character had a slight advantage, he might win about 60 times out of 100. With a bigger advantage, he could expect to win about 70, 80, 90, or even 100 times out of 100 fights. This would be assuming fair fights, under tournament-like conditions: no outside interference, no weapons, no exploiting weaknesses (ie kicking the opponent in the balls, using the deactivation controller on an android, etc), thing like that. So with those symbols, I think instead of those categories you should use something like this:

=: lose 50%-60% of the time
>: lose 61%-75% of the time
>>: lose 76%-90% of the time
>>>: lose 91%-100% of the time

And using those percentages:
100%-90% of opponent's BP: lose 50%-60% of the time
90%-75% of opponent's BP: lose 61%-75% of the time
75%-50% of opponent's BP: lose 76%-90% of the time
49%-1% of opponent's BP: lose 91%-100% of the time
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Senzu_Bean » Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:58 pm

^ That is indeed a fresh way to look at this. I didn't put much thought on that list and I didn't want to use numbers. But your way is pretty neat.
uzuni wrote:Have you made any power level lists of your own?
I remember I did one when MFG was still active. It was something also pretty simple since I didn't put too much thought on it.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by p123 » Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:59 pm

Uzuni I use tha same exact chart as you put up. I find it to be the most realistic. I used all of those percentages for my power levels, it's a good system. Cheers!

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by uzuni » Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:42 pm

Well, I mean, every system has its flaws. Even using mine, if you have SSJ Goku at 150 mill and Freeza at 120, that gives you 80. (owned, by my percentages) And we know that was far from the truth. Even taking into consideration Son Goku not really trying near the end of their fight, I would say it was a "can fight back, but it was a lost battle at best." So there isn't really a set system for this type of thing. Only thing we can do is get as close as possible.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Senzu_Bean » Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:35 am

^ Guess those percentages I pulled from my ass above are more accurate then. :P

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by uzuni » Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:43 am

You should try to make an accurate PL list with those percentages. I think you'll find that you'll need to continue searching up there for better numbers. ;)

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Senzu_Bean » Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:46 am

uzuni wrote:You should try to make an accurate PL list with those percentages. I think you'll find that you'll need to continue searching up there for better numbers. ;)
I was just joking. I really don't care about making battle powers lists or anything involving numbers.

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