Goku is a disaster as a father, according to Akira Toriyama

[Anonymous Friend]

She was not a top tier martial artist. She was okay. Great compared to normal humans but that's not saying a whole lot. She fought Goku hand to hand but it's not like she did all that well.

There's a fairly direct line from when we saw her in DB and where she was at the beginning of DBZ. Her goal was always to marry Goku since we first meet her.

If you wanna get technical, she was. She made it past the prelims of the Tenkaichi Budokai during the hardest year and earned praise from Muten Roshi on her fighting prowess. It's just that Goku was on a completely different level from everyone else. Any human weaker than Yamcha would be defeated just as easily. She also liked that Goku was the strongest under the heavens.

But Chi-Chi only existed to be married off to Goku so nothing came of this.

So because she has some talent that means that she would want that for her child? Nothing came of it because it was never truly fundamental to her character. We know she's trained

People keep overblowing her level of talent. It's doubtful she could even defeat Chaozu. She won prelims but that ain't saying much. To say she was top tier at the time is grading on a curve. And again, none of this suggests that just because she's good at it, she would want that for her child. She was a gag character from the start.

Chi-chi ended up on the main stage of the tourney. The only people above her are the other main fighters characters and their mentors and associates. I think you're the one trying to under sell her. All of our cast just happens to be leagues above everyone else on the planet.

As for her children, Chi-chi doesn't went her children turning out like deadbeats who do nothing but train all day, every day. She wants Gohan to be very studious. She doesn't really seem to be pushing Goten as hard. He's just not allowed to run off on these life or death situations like Gohan used to.

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Hence why you are overselling her talent. Everyone of our main or supporting fighters are stronger than her. It's not much of an accomplishment that she is better than normies.

And you are misusing the term deadbeat. Goku has no need for a traditional job. He lives off the land.

The point is she supported Goku's ambitions as a martial artist and she was pretty good in her own rights so Toriyama could've went a different route with her character which would've been much more interesting than what we got and more in-line with how she was characterized, but he chose not to.

She probably could defeat Chiaotzu at the time considering how everyone reacted to their respective defeats.

She doesn't support him. She just wants to be his wife. And her becoming a tiger mom was absolutely in line with how she was (originally) characterized. It's a organic development for her.

What suggests she could defeat Chaozu?

[PurestEvil]

And you are misusing the term deadbeat. Goku has no need for a traditional job. He lives off the land.

He also makes profit from producing crops from the land

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The top 8, Roshi, Popo and Choutzu still means Chichi at the 23rd Budokai had a chance at being 11 of the top 11 strongest in the world.

Yajirobe, Tao Pai Pai, the Crane Hermit, and likely numerous incidental villains.

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

And you are misusing the term deadbeat. Goku has no need for a traditional job. He lives off the land.

He also makes profit from producing crops from the land

Yes, the '08 Jump special and later Super shows that Goku does farming of veggie crops and such on Mount Paozu which they indeed make money (or Zeni in the Dragon Ball world) from. So really he's not so much a deadbeat in that sense, even if he doesn't have a regular day to day job because given where they live they're able to make a decent profit from that.

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Thanks and even if that weren't the case, why does he need a job?

[DBZAOTA482]

She doesn't support him. She just wants to be his wife. And her becoming a tiger mom was absolutely in line with how she was (originally) characterized. It's a organic development for her.

What suggests she could defeat Chaozu?

She liked that he was strong and noted he's become an expert of martial arts. Not to say her being an education mama is OOC but it's definitely a safer, more conventional route for the character by doubling down on the joke.

The Z-Warriors didn't really bat an eye to how easily Tao defeated Chiaotzu while Yamcha and Krillin were shocked by the sheer power of the shockwave fist thing Goku used against Chi-Chi. Also how decisive the tournament was.

[JulieYBM]

Good for Gokuu. Jobs are for suckers.

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She doesn't support him. She just wants to be his wife. And her becoming a tiger mom was absolutely in line with how she was (originally) characterized. It's a organic development for her.

What suggests she could defeat Chaozu?

She liked that he was strong and noted he's become an expert of martial arts. Not to say her being an education mama is OOC but it's definitely a safer, more conventional route for the character by doubling down on the joke.

The Z-Warriors didn't really bat an eye to how easily Tao defeated Chiaotzu while Yamcha and Krillin were shocked by the sheer power of the shockwave fist thing Goku used against Chi-Chi. Also how decisive the tournament was.

It's Tao Pai Pai! He nearly killed Goku! Chaozu had telekinesis and the dodonpa. Chichi's great claim to fame? Being taught by someone taught by one of the best. I'd put my money on Chaozu seeing as how he was trained by Muten Roshi's rival and Tao Pai Pai. Chichi was trained by Gyumao who was the second out of 2 pupils.

That shockwave was a gust of wind. It's pretty impressive even though Goku was using a FRACTION of his power.

[jjgp1112]

She doesn't support him. She just wants to be his wife. And her becoming a tiger mom was absolutely in line with how she was (originally) characterized. It's a organic development for her.

What suggests she could defeat Chaozu?

She liked that he was strong and noted he's become an expert of martial arts. Not to say her being an education mama is OOC but it's definitely a safer, more conventional route for the character by doubling down on the joke.

The Z-Warriors didn't really bat an eye to how easily Tao defeated Chiaotzu while Yamcha and Krillin were shocked by the sheer power of the shockwave fist thing Goku used against Chi-Chi. Also how decisive the tournament was.

Chi-Chi liked the idea of being married more than anything else and that's the prevailing thread of their relationship. She dedicated her life to marrying Goku after meeting him all of one time because he touched her hoo-ha. She's an idiot.

[Demon Prince Piccolo]

Chi-Chi married a man who was already in love with fighting and who didn't even know what marriage was. Then she's upset when he's more focused on fighting than anything else. I don't fault Chi-Chi for wanting a more normal childhood for Gohan and a normal marriage, but it should have been clear to her that she wouldn't get that with Goku.

I guess Toriyama wasn't trying to make them a match, but if he was, I honestly think Bulma or Suno would have been better functional matches for Goku, or at least they would have known what they were getting from the outset.

[DBZAOTA482]

She doesn't support him. She just wants to be his wife. And her becoming a tiger mom was absolutely in line with how she was (originally) characterized. It's a organic development for her.

What suggests she could defeat Chaozu?

She liked that he was strong and noted he's become an expert of martial arts. Not to say her being an education mama is OOC but it's definitely a safer, more conventional route for the character by doubling down on the joke.

The Z-Warriors didn't really bat an eye to how easily Tao defeated Chiaotzu while Yamcha and Krillin were shocked by the sheer power of the shockwave fist thing Goku used against Chi-Chi. Also how decisive the tournament was.

It's Tao Pai Pai! He nearly killed Goku! Chaozu had telekinesis and the dodonpa. Chichi's great claim to fame? Being taught by someone taught by one of the best. I'd put my money on Chaozu seeing as how he was trained by Muten Roshi's rival and Tao Pai Pai. Chichi was trained by Gyumao who was the second out of 2 pupils.

That shockwave was a gust of wind. It's pretty impressive even though Goku was using a FRACTION of his power.

Yeah, but we know that Chiaotzu ain't shit when it comes to physical combat. Chi-Chi at least was shown to be naturally strong when we first met her.

The Budokai onlookers were unable to make out how Goku sent Chi-Chi out the ring. Muten Roshi even had some trouble comprehending what happened and theorized Goku had to punch the air really hard to produce such a move. Piccolo also noted its a technique his Mazoku clan uses.

[Demon Prince Piccolo]

Chi-Chi would maybe physically outmatch Chaozu (at least as of the 23rd, not by the Saiyan arc), but I'm not sure she'd stand against his Telekinesis.

[PurestEvil]

Chi-Chi would maybe physically outmatch Chaozu (at least as of the 23rd, not by the Saiyan arc), but I'm not sure she'd stand against his Telekinesis.

She could ask Chaozu a 3rd grade level math problem

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She liked that he was strong and noted he's become an expert of martial arts. Not to say her being an education mama is OOC but it's definitely a safer, more conventional route for the character by doubling down on the joke.

The Z-Warriors didn't really bat an eye to how easily Tao defeated Chiaotzu while Yamcha and Krillin were shocked by the sheer power of the shockwave fist thing Goku used against Chi-Chi. Also how decisive the tournament was.

It's Tao Pai Pai! He nearly killed Goku! Chaozu had telekinesis and the dodonpa. Chichi's great claim to fame? Being taught by someone taught by one of the best. I'd put my money on Chaozu seeing as how he was trained by Muten Roshi's rival and Tao Pai Pai. Chichi was trained by Gyumao who was the second out of 2 pupils.

That shockwave was a gust of wind. It's pretty impressive even though Goku was using a FRACTION of his power.

Yeah, but we know that Chiaotzu ain't shit when it comes to physical combat. Chi-Chi at least was shown to be naturally strong when we first met her.

The Budokai onlookers were unable to make out how Goku sent Chi-Chi out the ring. Muten Roshi even had some trouble comprehending what happened and theorized Goku had to punch the air really hard to produce such a move. Piccolo also noted its a technique his Mazoku clan uses.

Chichi was never shown to be all that strong. She's able to take down a dinosaur. Wow.

Chaozu isn't great but look at whom he fought against. He only lost to Kuririn in the second tournament because he was outsmarted. Chichi was never shown to be all that good. She's beaten by a gust of wind which was a tiny bit of Goku's power. Goku could've defeated her in any number of ways. He did what he did so he didn't hurt her

Compare who Chichi trained with and who Chaozu trained with. You're telling me she got stronger than him by training with Gyumao?

[DBZAOTA482]

Chichi was never shown to be all that strong. She's able to take down a dinosaur. Wow.

Chaozu isn't great but look at whom he fought against. He only lost to Kuririn in the second tournament because he was outsmarted. Chichi was never shown to be all that good. She's beaten by a gust of wind which was a tiny bit of Goku's power. Goku could've defeated her in any number of ways. He did what he did so he didn't hurt her

Compare who Chichi trained with and who Chaozu trained with. You're telling me she got stronger than him by training with Gyumao?

Being able to decapitate a T-Rex is impressive for very early Dragon Ball standards. Strong men in real-life can't possibly do that. Also not only did she make it past the prelims during the most decisive year of the Tenkaichi Budokai, she was able to nearly surprise Goku with some of her attacks and even match his casual jumping height.

Chiaotzu couldn't fight Krillin hand-to-hand and relied on bukujutsu (which Krillin couldn't do at the time), Dodompa spam, and telekinesis to have a fighting chance.

The same onlookers witnessed Jackie Chun defeat Yamcha with the wave of his hand and were able to comprehend what happened. They couldn't even see what Goku did to Chi-Chi. Hell, the panels don't even use the same onomatopoeia.

[MasenkoHA]

Chichi was never shown to be all that strong. She's able to take down a dinosaur. Wow.

Chaozu isn't great but look at whom he fought against. He only lost to Kuririn in the second tournament because he was outsmarted. Chichi was never shown to be all that good. She's beaten by a gust of wind which was a tiny bit of Goku's power. Goku could've defeated her in any number of ways. He did what he did so he didn't hurt her

Compare who Chichi trained with and who Chaozu trained with. You're telling me she got stronger than him by training with Gyumao?

Being able to decapitate a T-Rex is impressive for very early Dragon Ball standards. Strong men in real-life can't possibly do that. Also not only did she make it past the prelims during the most decisive year of the Tenkaichi Budokai, she was able to nearly surprise Goku with some of her attacks and even match his casual jumping height.

Chiaotzu couldn't fight Krillin hand-to-hand and relied on bukujutsu (which Krillin couldn't do at the time), Dodompa spam, and telekinesis to have a fighting chance.

I like that in the same post where you compliment Chi Chi’s use of a bladed weapon as evidence of her skill as a martial artist but count against Chaouzu for using ki techniques. Like that sure is some selective reasoning there.

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Yes, Chaozu likely couldn't win hand to hand, so he fought fairly using techniques h

Sure, she made it during a competitive year but given than our heroes always make their way through the prelims without breaking a sweat, that says little about her skill since we don't know how tough the opponents in the prelims were.

Goku was holding back - a lot.

They couldn't even see what Goku did to Chi-Chi.

That says way more about Goku's talent than hers.

[DBZAOTA482]

Chichi was never shown to be all that strong. She's able to take down a dinosaur. Wow.

Chaozu isn't great but look at whom he fought against. He only lost to Kuririn in the second tournament because he was outsmarted. Chichi was never shown to be all that good. She's beaten by a gust of wind which was a tiny bit of Goku's power. Goku could've defeated her in any number of ways. He did what he did so he didn't hurt her

Compare who Chichi trained with and who Chaozu trained with. You're telling me she got stronger than him by training with Gyumao?

Being able to decapitate a T-Rex is impressive for very early Dragon Ball standards. Strong men in real-life can't possibly do that. Also not only did she make it past the prelims during the most decisive year of the Tenkaichi Budokai, she was able to nearly surprise Goku with some of her attacks and even match his casual jumping height.

Chiaotzu couldn't fight Krillin hand-to-hand and relied on bukujutsu (which Krillin couldn't do at the time), Dodompa spam, and telekinesis to have a fighting chance.

I like that in the same post where you compliment Chi Chi’s use of a bladed weapon as evidence of her skill as a martial artist but count against Chaouzu for using ki techniques. Like that sure is some selective reasoning there.

The topic was on physical strength rather than skill.

Goku was holding back - a lot.

I know. I'm not trying to argue she was anywhere near his level but it's more about what she was displaying- jumping 100s of feet and fighting in mid-air mostly.

The fact she was able to catch him off-guard and push him back at least puts her above King Chappa whom Goku effortlessly defeated.

That says way more about Goku's talent than hers.

But everyone's reactions (including Goku's) to the move implies there was at least some effort put into it otherwise they wouldn't be that impressed let alone shocked.

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The topic was on physical strength rather than skill.

That's news to me.

But everyone's reactions (including Goku's) to the move implies there was at least some effort put into it otherwise they wouldn't be that impressed let alone shocked.

Considering how shocked they are the entire tournament, especially in the last match, that suggests they don't get the depth of Goku's power and exactly how little of it he's using.

The fact she was able to catch him off-guard and push him back at least puts her above King Chappa whom Goku effortlessly defeated.

Or it just suggests that he was prepared for Chapa and thus on guard and wasn't expecting much from Chichi. Perhaps she's stronger than Chapa, but it's hard to guage how strong that makes her since we've only ever seen Chapa fight Goku and both times he lost without much effort on Goku's part.

All we know from any of this is she's good in comparison to regular fighters, but compared to our heroes, she'd come up short.

I'm more than fine with her staying a gag character. I never liked her to begin with. I just wish she hadn't taken so long to get to where she was in the Buu arc.