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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:08 am

Well we never seen a Zenkai happen unless it was instant. I used this for awhile now and it worked perfectly. Vegeta's zenkai was competing with Zarbon which is why he got stronger and then Vegeta's zenkai competed with Goku. Works pretty good for me. Once again it's a fan-theory. Don't take it like I'm passing it on as fact. Why don't you just call the whole arc Freeza or Namek arc. Makes more sense IMO.

Another popular opinion. I label the ENTIRE arcs/ story by one name not a series.
Saiyan Arc
Namek/Freeza Arc
Cyborg Arc
Cell Arc
Boo Arc.
Vegeta's first zenkai wasn't instant, and Vegtea's second zenkai is implied to still make him lower than Zarbon. His third one is total overkill for Recoome.

I divide them into four sections, according to the main villains, and then those sagas are further divided into more sections based on the villains.

SAIYAN SAGA
--Raditz arc- Raditz
--Nappa arc- Nappa
--Vegeta arc- Vegeta

FREEZA SAGA
--Namek arc- his henchmen
--Ginyu arc- Ginyu and his men
--Freeza arc- the really long final battle with Freeza.

CELL SAGA
--Mecha arc- Mecha Freeza and King Cold
--Android arc- Androids 16-20
--Imperfect Cell arc- Imperfect and Semi-Perfect Cell
--Cell Games arc- Perfect Cell

BUU SAGA
--High School/Tournament arc- no one.
--Babidi arc- Babidi and Dabra
--Fat Buu arc- Fat Buu
--Fusion arc- Super Buu
--Pure Buu arc- Pure Buu

It makes no sense to divvy up the Cyborg and Cell arcs going by your system anyway, since the Cyborg Arc doesn't come to a close until after the Cell arc does.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:31 am

IF Cyborg arc doesn't make sense then neither does having a Nappa arc. No to be rude. But you gave Nappa his own arc :eh: . Seems kinda pointless to me.I mean I mostly say Cell is a part of the Cyborg Arc anyways so doesn't really matter.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by thatdbzguy » Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:37 am

I think that each and every thing wrong with DB/Z doesn't actually detract from the experience, and just adds more charm to the overall story.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:43 am

thatdbzguy wrote:I think that each and every thing wrong with DB/Z doesn't actually detract from the experience, and just adds more charm to the overall story.
I don't think that's unpopular....but nice to hear you say something positive bout DbZ :thumbup:

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by thatdbzguy » Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:46 am

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thatdbzguy wrote:I think that each and every thing wrong with DB/Z doesn't actually detract from the experience, and just adds more charm to the overall story.
I don't think that's unpopular....but nice to hear you say something positive bout DbZ :thumbup:
Well, I've never heard anyone say it, and people usually feel DB/Z's issues detract from the experience, so I assumed it was unpopular.

And I'm in an unusually happy mood right now for no real reason, so just give it a few hours and I'll be back to my normal, annoyingly insecure self.

Yay. :problem:
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:49 am

TheGmGoken wrote:IF Cyborg arc doesn't make sense then neither does having a Nappa arc. No to be rude. But you gave Nappa his own arc :eh: . Seems kinda pointless to me.I mean I mostly say Cell is a part of the Cyborg Arc anyways so doesn't really matter.
I count those as all part of one saga. So, Nappa is part of the Saiyan Saga. Each of the three fights with the saiyans has its own style and combination of fighters, and each is also quite long, so I count them all as the closest thing this has to arcs (the Saibamen are part of Nappa's). I guess I could just divide it between Raditz and Nappa/Vegeta, but I like this way better. You were separating the Cyborg and Cell arcs as if they were different, when in fact the former is just part of the latter, and is not resolved until after Cell is dead and Trunks destroys the future androids. The Mecha arc is more independent of Cell than the android arc is.

Villains of the whole collective saga, in order of defeat:
-Mecha Freeza
-King Cold
-Android 19
-Android 20
-Android 17
-Android 18
-Cell
-Future 17
-Future 18
-Future Cell

Future 17 and 18 aren't dealt with until present Cell is.

Oh, another unpopular opinion: I think the fights with Androids 19 and 20 are the best part of the android arc, aside from Goku vs Cell. I like that these two weren't just ultra-OP (they're most likely weaker than even Freeza), had actually dangerous abilities not tied to pure power, and didn't follow the "useless henchman" or "sole loner" formula. 20 wasn't alone, he had 19, who while weaker than him was still quite close, and strong enough to be useful. In all other cases, either the villain is on his own (Buu, sorta Cell) or he has a bunch of complete fodder as henchmen (King Piccolo's children, Freeza's gang, all of Babidi's henchmen except Dabra). I guess Raditz and Nappa also violate that formula. Maybe.

I also like that Freeza/King Cold, Android 19/Android 20, Android 17/Android 18, Future 17/Future 18, and Cell are all unconnected to each other by factional ties. They're separate threats in their own right.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:58 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:IF Cyborg arc doesn't make sense then neither does having a Nappa arc. No to be rude. But you gave Nappa his own arc :eh: . Seems kinda pointless to me.I mean I mostly say Cell is a part of the Cyborg Arc anyways so doesn't really matter.
I count those as all part of one saga. So, Nappa is part of the Saiyan Saga. Each of the three fights with the saiyans has its own style and combination of fighters, and each is also quite long, so I count them all as the closest thing this has to arcs (the Saibamen are part of Nappa's). I guess I could just divide it between Raditz and Nappa/Vegeta, but I like this way better. You were separating the Cyborg and Cell arcs as if they were different, when in fact the former is just part of the latter, and is not resolved until after Cell is dead and Trunks destroys the future androids. The Mecha arc is more independent of Cell than the android arc is.

Villains of the whole collective saga, in order of defeat:
-Mecha Freeza
-King Cold
-Android 19
-Android 20
-Android 17
-Android 18
-Cell
-Future 17
-Future 18
-Future Cell

Future 17 and 18 aren't dealt with until present Cell is.
As I said before. That's the first time I've separated them. Normally I keep them together. Also Future Cell was killed after 17 18. So it's possible to still say Cell arc. As stated I just say Cyborg.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by thatdbzguy » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:09 pm

I think that RandomGuy actually has a huge crush on Goku, but acts like he hates him as his way of denying it.

Tsundere RandomGuy, basically.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:17 pm

thatdbzguy wrote:I think that RandomGuy actually has a huge crush on Goku, but acts like he hates him as his way of denying it.

Tsundere RandomGuy, basically.
I...it's... not like I'm concerned for you or anything but I think you should be quiet before you get yourself into more trouble (RandomGuy would slam your ass into the ground in an argument). Besides, RandomGuy didn't even bring up Goku often enough to hint of having feelings for him.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheAldella » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:10 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
thatdbzguy wrote:I think that RandomGuy actually has a huge crush on Goku, but acts like he hates him as his way of denying it.

Tsundere RandomGuy, basically.
I...it's... not like I'm concerned for you or anything but I think you should be quiet before you get yourself into more trouble (RandomGuy would slam your ass into the ground in an argument). Besides, RandomGuy didn't even bring up Goku often enough to hint of having feelings for him.
The beginning of your statement makes you more Tsundere than anyone here. XD
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:13 pm

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DBZAOTA482 wrote:
thatdbzguy wrote:I think that RandomGuy actually has a huge crush on Goku, but acts like he hates him as his way of denying it.

Tsundere RandomGuy, basically.
I...it's... not like I'm concerned for you or anything but I think you should be quiet before you get yourself into more trouble (RandomGuy would slam your ass into the ground in an argument). Besides, RandomGuy didn't even bring up Goku often enough to hint of having feelings for him.
The beginning of your statement makes you more Tsundere than anyone here. XD
That's the joke. :lol:
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheAldella » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:15 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:That's the joke. :lol:
-wipes sweatdrop- I thought that, but then your statement got super serious so I backed off from that idea.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kid Buu » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:32 am

I think the fandom overthinks the series WAY too much. There's stuff in the series that looks bad, but whenever I read it I simply enjoy it.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Flame Dragon » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:31 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:--High School/Tournament arc- Homework
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by baneofdemon22 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:32 pm

I really don't see anything wrong with the story. There's parts I say I dislike, but it's like me saying I dislike the moment the person gets killed in a slasher flick or like a movie dealing with drug abuse like one of my favorite movies,Requiem for a Dream, and seeing the characters get hurt by their addictions. Just like Vegeta's attitude bugged me in the Cell arc, but he should have been a jerk, and it made sense for his character. I just don't like jerks! Or like with the Cell games. I thought made sense for Cell's character to have that tournament with his Saiyan DNA. I just get bored of a lot of fighting at one time. That's why I usually check out in the first half of most action films, because I enjoy when they start establishing the characters, but don't find the big climatic shootouts interesting.

The only thing that felt odd to me is in the Red Ribbon Army arc with the Ninja Muraski felt like a Looney Tunes segment that was just kind of thrown in there. Like when he throws the spikes at Goku, so then Goku comes out will new shoes so he can run over them, or when he pours the boiling water into Muraski's bamboo breathing pipe.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:58 pm

I hate when people use the term "Seasons" when DBZ does not have seasons. To me, there's only 7 sagas in DB and 4 in DBZ. Funi brain wash people with their home video sets since some people still use the name "Captain Ginyu Saga".
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Post by xXInfinite026Xx » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:22 pm

I'm really not THAT huge of a fan of Akihito Tokunaga's overall score for GT; namely for the more "action-packed" sequences of the show. Sure I think he did a wonderful job with the various DAN DAN instrumentals, but honestly that's the only thing that's his most memorable music to me. Beside I'm not sure how much that should count considering that every composer usually pulls from the opening/ending songs to make instrumentals pieces from them. But when it comes to the extremely dramatic and/or fast-paced action sequences, he doesn't impress me as much. It just feels...I don't know...cheaper to me; like something from a 90's PS1 game. I realize that can be a plus for many people, but not me so much for this series (I'd rather have Kikuchi's music).

I do enjoy his slower, gentle pieces very much (especially how it was utilized in the 10th Anniversary special), but as a whole, I think his music is a bit overrated to me. Hence why it's an unpopular opinion here.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Hades » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:21 pm

Cooler was the best movie villain, hands down.

- Actually competent, as though he had put the Evil Overlord List in his top ten books.
- Inspired confidence among his men (after all, Cooler's Elite actually respected him), whereas Freez
- In short, he was too intelligent for Dragonball (like Super Buu or Demon King Piccolo)
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DonZ » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:29 pm

Hades wrote:Cooler was the best movie villain, hands down.

- Actually competent, as though he had put the Evil Overlord List in his top ten books.
- Inspired confidence among his men (after all, Cooler's Elite actually respected him), whereas Freez
- In short, he was too intelligent for Dragonball (like Super Buu or Demon King Piccolo)
That's not really an unpopular opinion, not at all.

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Post by Ajay » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:39 pm

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Hades wrote:Cooler was the best movie villain, hands down.

- Actually competent, as though he had put the Evil Overlord List in his top ten books.
- Inspired confidence among his men (after all, Cooler's Elite actually respected him), whereas Freez
- In short, he was too intelligent for Dragonball (like Super Buu or Demon King Piccolo)
That's not really an unpopular opinion, not at all.
How? That's not something you see everyday. Most people like him but very few praise him as 'the best'.
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