Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #54]

Post by FortuneSSJ » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:54 pm

Chuquita wrote: Writers:
55 - Tomioka
56 - King Ryû
57 - Toshio
Ajay wrote: 55: Seizo Toma and Kaoru Takamura
56: Naoki Tate and Shuuichiro Manabe
57: Yuichi Karasawa and Yukihiro Kitano
56 - Looks kike Tate and King Ryu combo will happen again.
Episode 11 was an interesting one. I'm curious what they will pull off this time, since the production improved. I have high hopes for this one and I expect Tate to deliver it with all the time he had. If he doesn't, I won't expecting anything from him ever again.

57 - Karasawa is one of my favourites, so I'm glad he will have a chance to work in this fight. I was not pleased with his Goku vs Back round 1, but I trust him to deliver something more memorable this time.

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I wouldn't be surprised if the fight continues in Episode 58 and Yamamuro returns.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #54]

Post by Alee9977 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 8:55 pm

It seems both 56 and 57 will have a lot of action, since Tate and Karasawa are the supervisors of those episodes. I'll be glad if the fight continues in Ep 58.

Changing the topic
I just saw the bluray version of Goku vs Frost fight and it seems they added some in between shots and it looks so much better now, I really liked it.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #54]

Post by BakaManiaHD » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:14 am

Is it me or the episode had a lot more ambient light effect than the others?
I really like this effect, it gives the episode a more "natural" look.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #54]

Post by kinisking » Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:04 am

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Alee9977 wrote:It seems both 56 and 57 will have a lot of action, since Tate and Karasawa are the supervisors of those episodes. I'll be glad if the fight continues in Ep 58.

Changing the topic
I just saw the bluray version of Goku vs Frost fight and it seems they added some in between shots and it looks so much better now, I really liked it.
Just watched it, I agree. The repeated punches don't have that weird blurry effect. I always thought that fight was underrated though. The moment where Goku punches frost before frost can punch him then slams him on the ground was badass as hell.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #54]

Post by Ajay » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:16 am

Alee9977 wrote:Changing the topic
I just saw the bluray version of Goku vs Frost fight and it seems they added some in between shots and it looks so much better now, I really liked it.
kinisking wrote:Just watched it, I agree. The repeated punches don't have that weird blurry effect. I always thought that fight was underrated though. The moment where Goku punches frost before frost can punch him then slams him on the ground was badass as hell.
There are no changes to that episode.

All you're seeing in the TV version are MPEG2 TS artifacts which obviously aren't present on a proper Blu-ray encode.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #54]

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:39 am

Speaking of Blu-ray slight off topic question but how are you guys syncing DT subs with them (If your not watching RAW)? Sponsors throwing everything off for me.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #54]

Post by JulieYBM » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:17 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:Pokémon anime? Great? I hope you mean the animation.

Anyway, it was mentioned earlier, but it would still be cool to get Ultimate Tenkaichi opening or even Resurrection 'F'-style animation.
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Doctor. wrote:Yeah, and even the animation only stepped up in XY. I wouldn't call the anime as a whole anywhere near even "decent".
I think it was the very end of Battle Frontier where it got noticeably better. And neither would I.

Off-subject, I noticed the SSJB Goku VS Golden Frieza fight had bad art (obviously), but the animation was really good.
The writing improved tremendously during Diamond & Pearl, so it isn't simply the animation. The over all project became better, too. Stronger storyboards, smarter use of drawings and good Iwane Masa'aki animation regularly. XY and XY & Z have brought in other good animators, too, as previously mentioned.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #54]

Post by Anime Kitten » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:21 pm

JulieYBM wrote:The writing improved tremendously during Diamond & Pearl, so it isn't simply the animation. The over all project became better, too. Stronger storyboards, smarter use of drawings and good Iwane Masa'aki animation regularly. XY and XY & Z have brought in other good animators, too, as previously mentioned.
Not much changed that I noticed. They still said, "X Pokémon, use Y move!" "That was X's Y! So strong! Clearly type disavantage doesn't mean a thing! It's not looking good for Ash!"

Well, that's the awful dub, anyway. :P
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #54]

Post by JulieYBM » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:24 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:The writing improved tremendously during Diamond & Pearl, so it isn't simply the animation. The over all project became better, too. Stronger storyboards, smarter use of drawings and good Iwane Masa'aki animation regularly. XY and XY & Z have brought in other good animators, too, as previously mentioned.
Not much changed that I noticed. They still said, "X Pokémon, use Y move!" "That was X's Y! So strong! Clearly type disavantage doesn't mean a thing! It's not looking good for Ash!"

Well, that's the awful dub, anyway. :P
There was a lot more mid-battle switching and strategizing going on, especially in the battles with Shinji. This is to say nothing of Shinji himself introducing the best character drama in the entire franchise.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #54]

Post by cuartas » Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:51 pm

Sooooo, that Tsuji guy is the reason of why Vegeta vs Hit was incredibly inconsistent? and that's why the noses changes at every sec in tate's episodes?

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Post by ParkerAL » Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:44 pm

I must concur that Pokémon XY has been a joy to watch. Sure, it still follows the same basic mold of previous seasons, but the polished animation and camerawork helps make the quest for gym badges and Pokédex entries feel exciting again. Plus, narrative touches like Serena's crush on Satoshi add a little more depth to its storytelling.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #54]

Post by Mazingerdestro » Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:22 am

ParkerAL wrote:I must concur that Pokémon XY has been a joy to watch. Sure, it still follows the same basic mold of previous seasons, but the polished animation and camerawork helps make the quest for gym badges and Pokédex entries feel exciting again. Plus, narrative touches like Serena's crush on Satoshi add a little more depth to its storytelling.
Yeah sometimes shows like this really makes you feel disappointed on "how can quality animation been wasted on bad story". Let's be honest The last time Pokemon had story progression was in Johto. After that we get the same re-re-re-re-re-telling of "Shatoshi goes to a new place, catches some pokemon and loses in the tournament". It wouldn't be so bad if Shatoshi had some wins under his belt. Maybe after winning a tournament people would start knowing him.
I feel like pokemon are falling to the op trap.
Op wanted Luffy to be the pirate king (a dream that he doesn't even care to mention nowadays because he changed it to a generic "I want to be free")
Likewise, Shatoshi is not getting any closer to the pokemon master dream. Unless we get a new super tournament in the future with the winner gaining the title

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #54]

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Mazingerdestro wrote:
ParkerAL wrote:I must concur that Pokémon XY has been a joy to watch. Sure, it still follows the same basic mold of previous seasons, but the polished animation and camerawork helps make the quest for gym badges and Pokédex entries feel exciting again. Plus, narrative touches like Serena's crush on Satoshi add a little more depth to its storytelling.
Yeah sometimes shows like this really makes you feel disappointed on "how can quality animation been wasted on bad story". Let's be honest The last time Pokemon had story progression was in Johto. After that we get the same re-re-re-re-re-telling of "Shatoshi goes to a new place, catches some pokemon and loses in the tournament". It wouldn't be so bad if Shatoshi had some wins under his belt. Maybe after winning a tournament people would start knowing him.
I feel like pokemon are falling to the op trap.
Op wanted Luffy to be the pirate king (a dream that he doesn't even care to mention nowadays because he changed it to a generic "I want to be free")
Likewise, Shatoshi is not getting any closer to the pokemon master dream. Unless we get a new super tournament in the future with the winner gaining the title
Didn't ash win kanto league vs his archrival gary? from there he didn't win anything right?, but there was rumors he's winning current tournament, idk, bacause I don't follow pokemon since hoenn.

Animation wise, I really never had any complain about pokemon, it always was consistent, with design changes of course but overall well done

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #54]

Post by Noah » Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:58 am

Mazingerdestro wrote:Let's be honest The last time Pokemon had story progression was in Johto. After that we get the same re-re-re-re-re-telling of "Shatoshi goes to a new place, catches some pokemon and loses in the tournament".
Anime Pokémon sucks, I drop it after the Battle Frontier, it was all the same lazy stuff over and over agan, but people said the quality has improved in D/P arc, interesting, but I still see that Pokemon anime would be amazing if was like that Adventures (manga), a series with drama, thriller, action, romance, far from being too childish.
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Post by neolux » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:57 am

Are we discussing Pokemon now in this thread? Seriously? -.-

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Post by Anime Kitten » Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:00 pm

neolux wrote:Are we discussing Pokemon now in this thread? Seriously? -.-
Tell me about it. But there's no place to move it, so we'll just have to get back on-topic.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #54]

Post by JulieYBM » Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:12 pm

Mazingerdestro wrote:
ParkerAL wrote:I must concur that Pokémon XY has been a joy to watch. Sure, it still follows the same basic mold of previous seasons, but the polished animation and camerawork helps make the quest for gym badges and Pokédex entries feel exciting again. Plus, narrative touches like Serena's crush on Satoshi add a little more depth to its storytelling.
Yeah sometimes shows like this really makes you feel disappointed on "how can quality animation been wasted on bad story". Let's be honest The last time Pokemon had story progression was in Johto. After that we get the same re-re-re-re-re-telling of "Shatoshi goes to a new place, catches some pokemon and loses in the tournament". It wouldn't be so bad if Shatoshi had some wins under his belt. Maybe after winning a tournament people would start knowing him.
I feel like pokemon are falling to the op trap.
Op wanted Luffy to be the pirate king (a dream that he doesn't even care to mention nowadays because he changed it to a generic "I want to be free")
Likewise, Shatoshi is not getting any closer to the pokemon master dream. Unless we get a new super tournament in the future with the winner gaining the title
No, the last major piece of progression for Satoshi was during Diamond & Pearl. He battled his strongest two opponents yet during that series, Shinji (in the franchise's first ever three episode long battle) and Takuto, a trainer with two legendary Pokemon. Satoshi made it to the final four of the Shin'ou League. In the Isshu League Satoshi only made it to the top eight gain, but for the Kalos League Satoshi is now battling in the final round against Alan. Pocket Monster XY & Z Episode #37 is the first half of Satoshi versus Alan and is entirely key animated by Iwane Masa'aki, one of the key animators for many of the Studio Cockpit episodes of Dragon Ball Z. Episode #38, airing 18 August 2016, will have Nishitani Yasushi as its animation supervisor and is bound to be really well animated, too.

Kantou, Jouto and Hou'en had terrible fights on their own, but they're even worse in comparison to the fights since Shin'ou, beginning in 2006.
cuartas wrote:Didn't ash win kanto league vs his archrival gary? from there he didn't win anything right?, but there was rumors he's winning current tournament, idk, bacause I don't follow pokemon since hoenn.

Animation wise, I really never had any complain about pokemon, it always was consistent, with design changes of course but overall well done
No, Satoshi did not fight Shigeru during the Kantou League. They fought during the Jouto League, but that was in the top sixteen. Satoshi lost in the top eight to Hazuki, from Hou'en. Both fights were pretty terrible.
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Mazingerdestro wrote:Let's be honest The last time Pokemon had story progression was in Johto. After that we get the same re-re-re-re-re-telling of "Shatoshi goes to a new place, catches some pokemon and loses in the tournament".
Anime Pokémon sucks, I drop it after the Battle Frontier, it was all the same lazy stuff over and over agan, but people said the quality has improved in D/P arc, interesting, but I still see that Pokemon anime would be amazing if was like that Adventures (manga), a series with drama, thriller, action, romance, far from being too childish.
Tomioka Atsuhiro took over the role of series composition (series kousei, basically a head writer role) and began writing all of the important episodes. Scheduling became smarter and Asada Yuuji and Iwane Masa'aki began to be put in charge of directing and animating the most important episodes, too. Those three drastically increased the quality of the battles. Tomioka's new rival character for Satoshi, Shinji, introduced a lot of conflict, too. Then there's Hikari's storyline and the Ginga Gang storyline, too.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #54]

Post by Noah » Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:37 pm

JulieYBM wrote:Tomioka Atsuhiro took over the role of series composition (series kousei, basically a head writer role) and began writing all of the important episodes. Scheduling became smarter and Asada Yuuji and Iwane Masa'aki began to be put in charge of directing and animating the most important episodes, too. Those three drastically increased the quality of the battles. Tomioka's new rival character for Satoshi, Shinji, introduced a lot of conflict, too. Then there's Hikari's storyline and the Ginga Gang storyline, too.
Hmm, this seems nice, I probably could begin to watch someday.

On topic:

Those week break actually don't change anything quality related in the show, right?
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #54]

Post by Ajay » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:55 pm

Yeah, let's try and keep this thread about Dragon Ball, please. :thumbup:

I'd like to announce the first video in a series I'm creating to supplement this catalogue. While the first post has evolved to feature some brief history about each supervisor, alongside standout cuts from Super, it doesn't go into quite the level of detail I'd really like it to. Animation is all about movement, so I figured doing this in video form would be the best way to go about things.

First up, we have Masahiro Shimanuki - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezLIuTz7o1g

Next week, I'll be tackling Naoki Tate since he's got a big episode coming up. After that, I'm not too sure. I wonder what most people would be interested in?
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #54]

Post by Sodhi » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:08 pm

Manabe is also working with tate. I would like to see a video about him after tate :).

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