The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[TheUltimateNinja]

Being able to last a minute or two against an enraged and not hungry 22nd WMAT Goku

A minute or two? He died within seconds. Even in the anime which stretches things out he got wrecked immediately.
In numbers I'd put it like so:
Goku (Enraged): 18
Goku: 16
Tambourine: 13.5
Kuririn: 12
Goku (Hungry, exhausted): 12
Kuririn (Exhausted): 10

[Angelus]

Yeah I was being a bit generous for Tambourine's time

Alright let's have a few more DB matches:

21st WMAT Yamcha VS Nam

Jackie Chun VS Ranfan (he'll love this match)

Giran VS 21st WMAT Krillin (No Gum or Flying, but also no ring-out)

Bora (with a spear) VS First Appearance Yamcha (with a sword)

former matches:
[spoiler]
Tambourine VS 23rd WMAT King Chappa

Pre-Roshi Training Krillin VS First Appearance Yamcha (No Weapons)

22nd WMAT Yajirobe (No Sword) VS Crane Hermit

Bear Thief VS Blonde Launch (No Weapons or Armor. No Sneezing)

Ox King VS Bacterian (No Foul Odor. No Weapons or Armor)[/spoiler]

[apex_pretador]

Being able to last a minute or two against an enraged and not hungry 22nd WMAT Goku

A minute or two? He died within seconds. Even in the anime which stretches things out he got wrecked immediately.
In numbers I'd put it like so:
Goku (Enraged): 18
Goku: 16
Tambourine: 13.5
Kuririn: 12
Goku (Hungry, exhausted): 12
Kuririn (Exhausted): 10

You have krillin and goku too close IMO. Even full power "match level" goku was invisible to krillin, let alone actual full power goku.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Being able to last a minute or two against an enraged and not hungry 22nd WMAT Goku

A minute or two? He died within seconds. Even in the anime which stretches things out he got wrecked immediately.
In numbers I'd put it like so:
Goku (Enraged): 18
Goku: 16
Tambourine: 13.5
Kuririn: 12
Goku (Hungry, exhausted): 12
Kuririn (Exhausted): 10

You have krillin and goku too close IMO. Even full power "match level" goku was invisible to krillin, let alone actual full power goku.

Yeah? I don't know, sure Goku was holding back but Kuririn was putting up a pretty good fight, I think he's not THAT far behind Goku. A 33% advantage is large enough for me. I think Goku started fighting Kuririn at a level of 12-12.5 and moved it up 14-15 at the end when he finished him off. Plus, I have Kuririn >>> 21st WMAT Goku and Jackie Chun, so the gap can't be too large.

22nd Goku: 16
22nd Kuririn: 12
21st Goku: 8

[ryan1227]

Yeah I was being a bit generous for Tambourine's time

Alright let's have a few more DB matches:

21st WMAT Yamcha VS Nam

Jackie Chun VS Ranfan (he'll love this match)

Giran VS 21st WMAT Krillin (No Gum or Flying, but also no ring-out)

Bora (with a spear) VS First Appearance Yamcha (with a sword)

former matches:
[spoiler]
Tambourine VS 23rd WMAT King Chappa

Pre-Roshi Training Krillin VS First Appearance Yamcha (No Weapons)

22nd WMAT Yajirobe (No Sword) VS Crane Hermit

Bear Thief VS Blonde Launch (No Weapons or Armor. No Sneezing)

Ox King VS Bacterian (No Foul Odor. No Weapons or Armor)[/spoiler]

- Namu managed to put up a fight against the same Goku that fought completely on par with Jackie Chun, who blew Yamcha out of the ring with a wave of his hand. Namu stomps.

- Ranfan managed to get the advantage on someone like Namu, so a pervert like Chun is going to be helpless before her. It'd be quite the gag fight though.

- Goku was only a little hurt from an off guard punch to the face by Giran, and I think Kuririn was pretty close to Goku before the latter grew his tail back. Without the gum, Giran will lose out here.

- Bora tanked bullets like they were nothing, meanwhile Goku, who was Yamcha's superior, was bruised by a pistol bullet. Bora would stomp without his spear.

[apex_pretador]

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You have krillin and goku too close IMO. Even full power "match level" goku was invisible to krillin, let alone actual full power goku.

Yeah? I don't know, sure Goku was holding back but Kuririn was putting up a pretty good fight, I think he's not THAT far behind Goku. A 33% advantage is large enough for me. I think Goku started fighting Kuririn at a level of 12-12.5 and moved it up 14-15 at the end when he finished him off. Plus, I have Kuririn >>> 21st WMAT Goku and Jackie Chun, so the gap can't be too large.

22nd Goku: 16
22nd Kuririn: 12
21st Goku: 8

Why is this the deciding factor?

Yeah I was being a bit generous for Tambourine's time

Alright let's have a few more DB matches:

21st WMAT Yamcha VS Nam

Jackie Chun VS Ranfan (he'll love this match)

Giran VS 21st WMAT Krillin (No Gum or Flying, but also no ring-out)

Bora (with a spear) VS First Appearance Yamcha (with a sword)

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Nam put up a good fight against goku, while Yamcha was flicked away by ROshi. Nam vs Krillin would be a much more even fight.

Ranfan tries to throw him out of bounds by same trick she applied on Nam, but the effect is reversed , and Jacky is instead coming for her. Somehow, ranfan freees herself and runs out of the bounds herself.

No gum & flight means that krillin definitely wins, speed strength advantage.

Bora would beat 21st TB goku.

[TheUltimateNinja]

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You have krillin and goku too close IMO. Even full power "match level" goku was invisible to krillin, let alone actual full power goku.

Yeah? I don't know, sure Goku was holding back but Kuririn was putting up a pretty good fight, I think he's not THAT far behind Goku. A 33% advantage is large enough for me. I think Goku started fighting Kuririn at a level of 12-12.5 and moved it up 14-15 at the end when he finished him off. Plus, I have Kuririn >>> 21st WMAT Goku and Jackie Chun, so the gap can't be too large.

22nd Goku: 16
22nd Kuririn: 12
21st Goku: 8

Why is this the deciding factor?

Because Goku can't have improved by a huge amount since the 21st tournament since you have to keep him below 416 by the time Z rolls around.

Yeah I was being a bit generous for Tambourine's time

Alright let's have a few more DB matches:

21st WMAT Yamcha VS Nam

Jackie Chun VS Ranfan (he'll love this match)

Giran VS 21st WMAT Krillin (No Gum or Flying, but also no ring-out)

Bora (with a spear) VS First Appearance Yamcha (with a sword)

- Nam wins with medium difficulty, he was able to give Goku trouble.

- Jackie Chun wins easily unless a nosebleed sends him flying out of the ring.

- Closest fight in here, could go either way. I'll give it to Kuririn, though, he's incredibly fast.

- Bora oneshots Yamcha. You'd need 22nd WMAT Yamcha for him to stand a chance.

[apex_pretador]

22nd Goku: 16
Because Goku can't have improved by a huge amount since the 21st tournament since you have to keep him below 416 by the time Z rolls around.


- Bora oneshots Yamcha. You'd need 22nd WMAT Yamcha for him to stand a chance.

This does not pose any issue at all . Not to mention that 22nd BT Yamcha would one-shot bora as he is superior to Tao Pai Pai.

[TheUltimateNinja]

22nd Goku: 16
Because Goku can't have improved by a huge amount since the 21st tournament since you have to keep him below 416 by the time Z rolls around.


- Bora oneshots Yamcha. You'd need 22nd WMAT Yamcha for him to stand a chance.

This does not pose any issue at all . Not to mention that 22nd BT Yamcha would one-shot bora as he is superior to Tao Pai Pai.

I dunno about superior to Tao Pai Pai, I'd put them around the same level. Also, 21st Yamcha gets wrecked by Bora and he doesn't do all that much until the 22nd at which point he's much stronger. Though I guess Uranai Baba Arc Yamcha would be a good match.

[Angelus]

But the time that passed between the Baba Arc and the 21st WMAT wasn't big.

[ZombieVito]

Super Trunks [DBS ep 64] vs Enraged SSB Goku.
Base Goku [DBS ep 23] vs Ultimate Gohan [Boo arc].
Botamo vs Mister Boo.
SSJ2 Vegetto [Boo arc] vs Final form Frost.

[apex_pretador]

Also, 21st Yamcha gets wrecked by Bora and he doesn't do all that much until the 22nd at which point he's much stronger. Though I guess Uranai Baba Arc Yamcha would be a good match.

So, 5 days make Yamcha improve how much exactly?

Super Trunks [DBS ep 64] vs Enraged SSB Goku.
Base Goku [DBS ep 23] vs Ultimate Gohan [Boo arc].
Botamo vs Mister Boo.
SSJ2 Vegetto [Boo arc] vs Final form Frost.

According to my latest tier list, enraged goku is FAR above trunks.


Ep 23 was? I'm not that good at remembering, but if this is anything before whis training then gohan stomps. RoF onwards goku stomps.

Buu turns him to chocolate and eats him.

Even SS2 vegetto will Vegetto wins this with little to no difficulty. He won't even need SS2 to win.

[DBZAOTA482]

22nd Goku: 16
Because Goku can't have improved by a huge amount since the 21st tournament since you have to keep him below 416 by the time Z rolls around.


- Bora oneshots Yamcha. You'd need 22nd WMAT Yamcha for him to stand a chance.

This does not pose any issue at all . Not to mention that 22nd BT Yamcha would one-shot bora as he is superior to Tao Pai Pai.

I dunno about superior to Tao Pai Pai, I'd put them around the same level. Also, 21st Yamcha gets wrecked by Bora and he doesn't do all that much until the 22nd at which point he's much stronger. Though I guess Uranai Baba Arc Yamcha would be a good match.

22nd Budokai Yamcha is around the same strength as Krillin was at that point who is stronger than King Chappa who is stronger than organic Tao.

[apex_pretador]

This does not pose any issue at all . Not to mention that 22nd BT Yamcha would one-shot bora as he is superior to Tao Pai Pai.

I dunno about superior to Tao Pai Pai, I'd put them around the same level. Also, 21st Yamcha gets wrecked by Bora and he doesn't do all that much until the 22nd at which point he's much stronger. Though I guess Uranai Baba Arc Yamcha would be a good match.

22nd Budokai Yamcha is around the same strength as Krillin was at that point who is stronger than King Chappa who is stronger than organic Tao.

No, not at all. Chappa was feared due to his reputation, and has no feats to back it up. Death of tao pai pai at the hands of goku is treated as a MUCH bigger thing later, after everyone saw goku completely humiliate Chappa and pamput while heavily holding back.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Also, 21st Yamcha gets wrecked by Bora and he doesn't do all that much until the 22nd at which point he's much stronger. Though I guess Uranai Baba Arc Yamcha would be a good match.

So, 5 days make Yamcha improve how much exactly?

A good deal. Back in DB after most major fights the characters would train for a couple of hours/days and become much stronger.

[TheUltimateNinja]

22nd Budokai Yamcha is around the same strength as Krillin was at that point who is stronger than King Chappa who is stronger than organic Tao.

Kuririn would easily defeat Yamcha. Kuririn was able to put up a good fight against semi-serious match level Goku.

Also, 22nd TB Chappa is a joke to Tao. He only surpasses him by the 23rd TB.

[Zamasu55]

Super Trunks [DBS ep 64] vs Enraged SSB Goku.
Base Goku [DBS ep 23] vs Ultimate Gohan [Boo arc].
Botamo vs Mister Boo.
SSJ2 Vegetto [Boo arc] vs Final form Frost.

1. Goku's rage was useless against Black Goku, after all. Trunks did way better in episode 63.
2. Goku one-shots.
3. Botamo's waaaay weaker, but Buu can't hurt him. Guess it's a tie.
4. Ssj Vegito is more than enough, poison aside.

[Zamasu55]

Also, 21st Yamcha gets wrecked by Bora and he doesn't do all that much until the 22nd at which point he's much stronger. Though I guess Uranai Baba Arc Yamcha would be a good match.

So, 5 days make Yamcha improve how much exactly?

Super Trunks [DBS ep 64] vs Enraged SSB Goku.
Base Goku [DBS ep 23] vs Ultimate Gohan [Boo arc].
Botamo vs Mister Boo.
SSJ2 Vegetto [Boo arc] vs Final form Frost.

According to my latest tier list, enraged goku is FAR above trunks.


Ep 23 was? I'm not that good at remembering, but if this is anything before whis training then gohan stomps. RoF onwards goku stomps.

Buu turns him to chocolate and eats him.

Even SS2 vegetto will Vegetto wins this with little to no difficulty. He won't even need SS2 to win.

Buu's candy beam is just a common beam like everything else. It's nothing special. It would have no effect on Botamo.

[apex_pretador]

Also, 21st Yamcha gets wrecked by Bora and he doesn't do all that much until the 22nd at which point he's much stronger. Though I guess Uranai Baba Arc Yamcha would be a good match.

So, 5 days make Yamcha improve how much exactly?

A good deal. Back in DB after most major fights the characters would train for a couple of hours/days and become much stronger.

For example?

Apart from Goku's karin training (I mean he's a saiyan) there is not an instance I can remember.

[TheUltimateNinja]

So, 5 days make Yamcha improve how much exactly?

A good deal. Back in DB after most major fights the characters would train for a couple of hours/days and become much stronger.

For example?

Apart from Goku's karin training (I mean he's a saiyan) there is not an instance I can remember.

Most of the scenes I remember are from Goku, but back then Toriyama hadn't even thought of Saiyans so the whole Zenkai thing doesn't apply, Goku's extremely rapid training gains are probably just as valid for the humans, perhaps to a lesser extent.