The Chōzenshū databook thread: speculation, discussion, etc.

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Post by MCDaveG » Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:15 am

Hujio wrote: So here's the theory --
It was long time trend even in the 90's to scrap the PC data and archive only the celluloid forms used for print, if the data were in greyscale and last edits were done by cut'n'paste on celluloid.
At least that was the trend in Czech republic and Europe in phototypographic industry. As the technology progressed in 2000's and forms started to be made from PC data to print desks on ofset and digital era took it's reign, it's the trend that we all know about, that we store the digital data in PDF + the graphic who typed the book have it in indesign, quark or tech format for easier edits and also, preservation of the data for later purposes. It's pretty common, that we want to publish really old book which is out of print in our publishing house, but we have only celluloid scans. If the printing plant has the celluloid in archive, we do it oldschool, but for changes, we must do the part from scratch or mostly, we do the whole book from scratch a new in InDesign.

So I think it's the case with Daizenshuu, that they didn't even had the original celluloids, but their scans in PC, or they didn't had any, so they flat-out scanned the book to ease their work and not make it from scratch.
Talk about lazy, but from what I saw, the typography and layout in these books are pain in the ass, so logically, to make it for the movie hype, without having it by new supervision of editors, who must read everything and doing corrections, the did it fastest way possible.

PS: The idea of scrapping the digital data seems absurd nowadays, but making photocopied celluloids from negatives, that were made from PC and later light them on ofset forms was expensive and time consuming as hell, so nobody thought about making the same book again from scratch. As we can light the PC data directly via RIP software and then add it to printing machine, or better! having these machines built into the printing machine, so you copylight the PC data directly into print, it all became so fast and cheap and easy, so that we make edits even as late as minute before printing without any expense.
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Post by Chuquita » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:04 pm

With all the BOG news, I'd forgotten this is coming out on Monday.

Since it's animation guide 1, I doubt there'll be any BOG info in there, but I still look forward to any new interviews that may appear in this volume.
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Post by Saiga » Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:45 am

I'd expect something on BoG in there, I think all of the Chozenshu will have something on it just to cash in. :P
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Post by SaiyaJedi » Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:11 am

I'm a bit surprised they went with this one over Freeza, but I suppose it also depends on how far the Animation Guide goes. I'd kind of like it to go slightly farther than Daizenshuu 3 did in terms of the TV show (maybe to the end of the Freeza fight or the Garlic Jr. arc), so the material from the supplemental Daizenshuu fits into the second Animation Guide cleanly.

Speaking of which, I wonder how they'll handle the movies and TV specials. Perhaps Shueisha will divide them up so they treat them alongside the part of the series they (roughly) correspond to? They're divided cleanly enough in Daizenshuu 6 that it's easy to separate them out one by one (or at least into sections of two or three at a time), but I don't know if Shueisha's being that clever with these books.
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Post by DBZfan29 » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:05 pm

I figured daizenshuus 3, 5, and 10 would work then 6 and basically the Perfect Files for part 2.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:21 pm

DBZfan29 wrote:I figured daizenshuus 3, 5, and 10 would work then 6 and basically the Perfect Files for part 2.
I'd love that setup, but Chozenshu 2's number of pages on Amazon (assuming it's correct) wouldn't support it. Those three Daizenshu wouldn't fit, unless there is a decent chunk of material they could strip out ala the color chapters from the last splicing. Never seen the inside of the TV Animation volumes, so...
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Post by Chuquita » Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:38 pm

If they go that far into it ("Ossu", "EoB"), what could possibly be left for Animation Guide 2 to cover?
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:07 pm

Which Daizenshuu does this cover again?
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:12 pm

If I'm seeing content all the way up through the Buu Arc, plus EOB and the JSAT...did they cut out the Library of Adventures concept art sections for more room? Please no...

If yes, then I hope they combine them all in the third Chozenshu volume...
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Post by Hujio » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:05 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Did they cut out the Library of Adventures concept art sections for more room? Please no...
Yep, that's what they did, unfortunately. They're nowhere to be found at the moment...
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:If yes, then I hope they combine them all in the third Chozenshu volume...
Yeah, I'm hoping for the same thing.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:12 pm

BAH! If they don't compile them into the third Chozenshu volume, I guess I'm still going to have to collect the original Daizenshu releases too...
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Post by DBZfan29 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:22 pm

Will the site have a nice overview posted tonight? I was going to hold off on picking this up until the second part comes out, but it looks interesting so I might have to get to New York one day.
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Post by Hujio » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:31 pm

Our overview and breakdown should be up on the main site sometime tonight (we've been working on it throughout the day). Essentially, it has some extra information about recent animated features (JSAT Special, Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans, Episode of Bardock, etc) at the beginning and the rest of made up of the main sections from Daizenshuu 3, Daizenshuu 5, and the Supplemental Daizenshuu.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:44 pm

Well, now that we know what is in Chozenshu 2, what do you think we should expect for Chozenshu 3? Would Daizenshu 6, the GT Perfect Files, the cut Library of Adventures content and the Battle of Gods coverage be hoping for to much?
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Post by DBZfan29 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:55 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Well, now that we know what is in Chozenshu 2, what do you think we should expect for Chozenshu 3? Would Daizenshu 6, the GT Perfect Files, the cut Library of Adventures content and the Battle of Gods coverage be hoping for to much?
I was thinking about how the Perfect Files are pretty small compared to the daizenshuu, so they could probably squeeze two pages together.
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Post by Saiga » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:07 pm

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Post by Raykugen » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:51 pm

So this volume covers the Daizenshu 3 & 5 but it also covers the SAT special and EoB? It wouldn't be better that they'd be in the next volume?

It won't have new illustrations for EoB, 2010 Gaiden remake, and the 2008 special like these classic ones?
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