What phrases/opinions/things bring out your irate fanboy?

[Lord Beerus]

And part of the joke is that since she's the Ox King's daughter, it fits the bovine theme, right? Ox --> cow --> udder --> breast.

Holy shit. I never spotted that before. Well played, Toriyama.

[Metalwario64]

How many planets could a planet buster bust if a planet buster could bust planets?

I'm just curious about when the "busting" terminology comes into play. You see it for the high end stuff, like galaxy and solar system busting, which makes no sense anyway since those aren't solid masses, and for smaller stuff like planets and cities and islands. Where do you draw the line?

Obviously, Hannibal Lecter is a people buster. I suppose Jack Black's character from Anchorman could be a Puppy Buster, but Baxter lives, so it's not confirmed. Power scaling would imply that Hulk Hogan could definitely be a puppy buster, but that leads to speculation, which I don't like for my busting feats.

I do find the term "-buster" to be annoying, mostly because I dislike coming up with so many new terms to describe everything. Like with "zenkai", you could just say "near death power-up", and not only is it more descriptive, but then it doesn't confuse anyone. It also extends to creating abbreviations for things. It's just confusing, and only a handful of people will likely surely know what you're talking about.

[Kamiccolo9]

How many planets could a planet buster bust if a planet buster could bust planets?

I'm just curious about when the "busting" terminology comes into play. You see it for the high end stuff, like galaxy and solar system busting, which makes no sense anyway since those aren't solid masses, and for smaller stuff like planets and cities and islands. Where do you draw the line?

Obviously, Hannibal Lecter is a people buster. I suppose Jack Black's character from Anchorman could be a Puppy Buster, but Baxter lives, so it's not confirmed. Power scaling would imply that Hulk Hogan could definitely be a puppy buster, but that leads to speculation, which I don't like for my busting feats.

I do find the term "-buster" to be annoying, mostly because I dislike coming up with so many new terms to describe everything. Like with "zenkai", you could just say "near death power-up", and not only is it more descriptive, but then it doesn't confuse anyone. It also extends to creating abbreviations for things. It's just confusing, and only a handful of people will likely surely know what you're talking about.

Incidentally, you reminded me to add "zenkai" to my list of annoying terms.

[DemonRin]

use of FUNimation dub spellings. Most don't bother me, but "Frieza" and "Hercule" do.

Especially the latter, because there's no such thing as an uncut dub of DBZ that DOESN'T call him "Mr Satan". The other name was clearly a censorship thing, so why people persist in calling him that is weird to me.

Also, power level fights... including "Goku Vs. Superman" Debates.

You wana know the truth about Goku vs. Superman? the eternal question actually HAS an answer, an easily verified answer based on objective facts.

Ready for it? Ready?

It depends on who is writing which era Superman in the fight. That's the answer.

Superman has been published continuously for over 75 years and counting at this point, and you can be over the years his power has fluctuated WILDLY, especially during the silver age. At one point he could blow out a star, and then at another LATER point, he was weak enough to be "Killed" by being beaten to death by a monster who had absolutely no Kryptonite on or around him.

He literally does not have a consistent upper level to his powers strength and it almost seems that his maximum shifts based on what the story at moment requires of him.

For that reason, it's literally impossible to determine who would win because the outcome would be extremely different with every different iteration of Superman and in fact, every different writer's style for writing him.

Original Debut Superman? Goku wins Easily
Silver Age Superman? Superman by a landslide
90s Era Death of Superman Superman? Close match, could go either way.
Superman The Animated Series Superman: Closer than you'd think, but Goku.


This, however, has not stopped the ETERNAL debate, and it's quite annoying to me lol.

[Zephyr]

Like with "zenkai", you could just say "near death power-up", and not only is it more descriptive, but then it doesn't confuse anyone. It also extends to creating abbreviations for things. It's just confusing, and only a handful of people will likely surely know what you're talking about.

Incidentally, you reminded me to add "zenkai" to my list of annoying terms.

Kanzenshuu should totally have a "DB fandom slang guide", explaining the origins and etymology of terms like "zenkai".

[VegettoEX]

Kanzenshuu should totally have a "DB fandom slang guide", explaining the origins and etymology of terms like "zenkai".

I've tried doing a bit of that, but it's impossible to track down the "first" usage of these types of terms (or even something resembling the first usage). I've done a lot of searching on things like alt.fan.dragonball that are preserved for all time, but ooooooold first-generation message boards are totally obliterated at this point. I'd just be doing educated guessing on certain things (like "zenkai" which would probably be accurate, but still...).

But yeah, I guess educated guesses and explanations that clearly label themselves as such is SOMETHING resembling helpful and good documentation for posterity.

[DemonRin]

I wouldn't mind educated guesses actually. I like your writeups you do on a lot of other areas, like your intended endings guide, or that blog post you did explaining why "Freeza" was right over "Frieza"

You're knowledgeable enough about the fanbase and the series as a whole that I think even your educated guesses would be worthwhile.

[B]

"Mr. Satan sucks, he took the glory from Gohan!" couldn't be a bigger example of somebody missing the point, and it will never not be annoying.

[jcogginsa]

use of FUNimation dub spellings. Most don't bother me, but "Frieza" and "Hercule" do.

Especially the latter, because there's no such thing as an uncut dub of DBZ that DOESN'T call him "Mr Satan". The other name was clearly a censorship thing, so why people persist in calling him that is weird to me.

The censored it because they were worried people wouldn't like the overt religious reference. Thus, it makes perfect sense for some people to prefer Hercule over his original name. Having one of the heroes be named Satan makes them uncomfortable.

And there are other reasons too. I for think Hercule is a better name for the character. The only advantage Mr. Satan has over Hercule is the fact that Mr. satan was his original name

[VegettoEX]

The only advantage

The only advantage...?

What makes me unnecessarily irate (not really, but for the purposes of discussion here...) is when people say things like that. How is that the only advantage? Having the world be saved TWICE by someone named "Satan" gives it hysterical irony. Having them named ANYTHING ELSE removes said hysterical irony in its entirety. The joke is lost. The purpose is lost.

Satan is our savior. Our savior is named Satan. All praise be him.

[jcogginsa]

The only advantage

The only advantage...?

What makes me unnecessarily irate (not really, but for the purposes of discussion here...) is when people say things like that. How is that the only advantage? Having the world be saved TWICE by someone named "Satan" gives it hysterical irony. Having them named ANYTHING ELSE removes said hysterical irony in its entirety. The joke is lost. The purpose is lost.

Satan is our savior. Our savior is named Satan. All praise be him.

Some people see that as a disadvantage.

But you are right about it not being the only advantage

[Gaffer Tape]

In all my time as a Dragon Ball fan, I've really only ever seen resistance to it as a knee-jerk reaction I don't really understand. I mean, are Christians afraid of offending Satan?

As a Christian myself, I'm honestly amazed no one has ever thought to interpret the story in this manner: you have a buffoonish character calling himself Satan. He thinks he is amazing, and his main goal in life is to ensure others feel the same way. By the time of the Boo arc he has an entire city named after him and throngs of people deceived into believing he is their savior. Later on, though, he is humbled, humiliated, terrified, and changed utterly. He realizes to some degree of the error of his ways and does what little he can to help save the world and ally himself to the heroes.

If that's not a parable, I don't know what is.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

use of FUNimation dub spellings. Most don't bother me, but "Frieza" and "Hercule" do.

I used to write Freeza with an i all the time. And then when I first came to Kanzenshuu it kept changed it and put an extra e, then I found out about the word filter and I decided no point fighting it and just spelt Freeza with two e's. Now I find myself correcting other people when they spell it with a i it just looks so weird now. Godammit Kanzenshuu The H-ercule thing though, as always bothered me even before I came to Kanzenshuu. Of all the things to censor for Satan they pick H-ercule?

[Kamiccolo9]

In all my time as a Dragon Ball fan, I've really only ever seen resistance to it as a knee-jerk reaction I don't really understand. I mean, are Christians afraid of offending Satan?

As a Christian myself, I'm honestly amazed no one has ever thought to interpret the story in this manner: you have a buffoonish character calling himself Satan. He thinks he is amazing, and his main goal in life is to ensure others feel the same way. By the time of the Boo arc he has an entire city named after him and throngs of people deceived into believing he is their savior. Later on, though, he is humbled, humiliated, terrified, and changed utterly. He realizes to some degree of the error of his ways and does what little he can to help save the world and ally himself to the heroes.

If that's not a parable, I don't know what is.

It is totally a knee-jerk reaction. The "ohmyGodtheycalledtheguySATAN" attitude doesn't make a bit of sense. It's just a minority of people with self-imposed taboos on a person's name, no different than the Harry Potter characters saying "You Know Who."

It's not like the Bible shies away from saying Satan's name. I've never seen or heard of any reputable clerical figure doing it either, and I teach classes on the history of Christianity. It's not backed by any real religious institution, just a bunch of people who are too worried about what overly religious mothers will think of their kids watching a show that has in any way a positive depiction of a guy named Satan.

[jcogginsa]

use of FUNimation dub spellings. Most don't bother me, but "Frieza" and "Hercule" do.

I used to write Freeza with an i all the time. And then when I first came to Kanzenshuu it kept changed it and put an extra e, then I found out about the word filter and I decided no point fighting it and just spelt Freeza with two e's. Now I find myself correcting other people when they spell it with a i it just looks so weird now. Godammit Kanzenshuu The H-ercule thing though, as always bothered me even before I came to Kanzenshuu. Of all the things to censor for Satan they pick H-ercule?

They got it from the French dub (Where he was named such because Piccolo was already named satan)

In all my time as a Dragon Ball fan, I've really only ever seen resistance to it as a knee-jerk reaction I don't really understand. I mean, are Christians afraid of offending Satan?

As a Christian myself, I'm honestly amazed no one has ever thought to interpret the story in this manner: you have a buffoonish character calling himself Satan. He thinks he is amazing, and his main goal in life is to ensure others feel the same way. By the time of the Boo arc he has an entire city named after him and throngs of people deceived into believing he is their savior. Later on, though, he is humbled, humiliated, terrified, and changed utterly. He realizes to some degree of the error of his ways and does what little he can to help save the world and ally himself to the heroes.

If that's not a parable, I don't know what is.

I'm worried about offending my family. I live in a very christian household, and Hercule is one of my favorite characters. I want to be able to talk about him with offending my mother

[DBZAOTA482]

"Mr. Satan sucks, he took the glory from Gohan!" couldn't be a bigger example of somebody missing the point, and it will never not be annoying.

They only care about what they want with Gohan. Boy has no ambition.

[Lord Beerus]

Here are a few of that grind my gears:
- The DBZ movies were better with the rock music
- "It's Shenron not Shenlong!"
- Goku fanboys in Japan made Toriyama have Goku be the main character again when he planned for Gohan to be the main character
- Gogeta > Vegito
- Bulma's full name is Bulma Brief
- Vegeta is a king because his father died

[Gaffer Tape]

I'm worried about offending my family. I live in a very christian household, and (the H-word) is one of my favorite characters. I want to be able to talk about him with offending my mother

Well, if you pronounce his name the way it's actually written and spoken in the series (SAH-tan), they probably won't ever make the connection.

[jcogginsa]

I'm worried about offending my family. I live in a very christian household, and (the H-word) is one of my favorite characters. I want to be able to talk about him with offending my mother

Well, if you pronounce his name the way it's actually written and spoken in the series (SAH-tan), they probably won't ever make the connection.

I've never heard it spoken that way (Though i've also never watched the japanese dub)

[MarCas92]

Although, I understand the argument as to why the name was changed to Her-cule. It doesn't hold any water really.

Mexico is a much more Christian nation and we had no problem with Mr. Satan. Heck, from what I've seen he's actual more popular there than in the states.

Although, it does get awkward when the whole world raises their hands and starts chanting "SATAN! SATAN! SATAN!", but personally, even as a hardcore catholic, I find that hilarious.