Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[Bussani]

We seen Kibito, 5 Kaio, and 6 Kaioshin, so overall, it's 12 Shinjin.

That's assuming they still count as or look like Shinjin once they become Kaio, Kaioshin, Makaioshin, etc, which was the point of my post. I'd assume that all regular Shinjin look like Kaio and all golden fruit Shinjin look like Kaioshin, personally, but we don't know for sure since we've never seen Kai-Shin. And even if they do all look that way, it wouldn't be that strange for the ones who become evil to take on new forms.

Also, I don't think we've been told whether Kibito is a Shinjin or not.

[Fox666]

Also, I don't think we've been told whether Kibito is a Shinjin or not.

It's just a theory. Supposedly only a few of the Shinjin make it to Kaioshin, so the others are like Kibito who live in the Kaioshin planet and has the function of an assistant, etc. At least the fact that Kibito wears the Potara is a hint.

[CaBrPi]

Hold on. I have a question about the Makaioshin thing. Is there a Daimakaioshin?

Because I'd think that's what Dabra is. Maybe this "Whis" is a Makaioshin trying to take his place. I'm probably waaaay off, but that's actually an idea that's been banging around in my head for a long time.

[Fox666]

Darbra has been described as the king of the underworld, while the Makaioshin is seen as sort of a God there, so that's a distinction.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The Kaio are confirmed to be normal Shinjin, and Kibito & Kaioshin look a lot like they are from the same race. So by comparing them, Shinjin are like humans, but with pointy ears and various skin colors. There is one difference though, the Kaio have antennas, while the Kaioshin & Kibito don't have ones.

[CaBrPi]

Darbra has been described as the king of the underworld, while the Makaioshin is seen as sort of a God there, so that's a distinction.

Well, I think it would be appropriate. Dabra was described as "King of the Demon Realm" or something like that long before the idea of the Makaioshin was published. A lot of people like to thin of Dabra as being simply a Makaioshin, but we know that the Makaioshin are weaker than the Kaioshin, so it wouldn't make sense for Kaioshin to be scared of Dabra if he's simply a Makaioshin. Of course, Kaioshin was scared of a lot of stuff he shouldn't have been.

Mainly I was just wondering if there was an evil counterpart to the Daikaioshin.

[Bussani]

The Kaio are confirmed to be normal Shinjin

I wouldn't really say that's confirmed. We're told that Kaio are chosen from the Shinjin, but that doesn't necessarily tell us that Kaio still look like Shinjin once they become Kaio. I kind of assume they do, since we're not told otherwise, but assumptions and confirmations are different things.

[JeffJarrett]

Except Grand Kai, the other Kais don't really look like Humans. Also, could those little sevants of the Kais be Shin-jin (youth or apprentice)?

[VegettoEX]

I was about to ask why on Earth the images were so atrociously low-quality and resized beyond their actual DVD footage size, but then I saw they're being linked from DB Wikia.

[JeffJarrett]

I was about to ask why on Earth the images were so atrociously low-quality and resized beyond their actual DVD footage size, but then I saw they're being linked from DB Wikia.

Is your comment related to the topic???

[Raykugen]

I was about to ask why on Earth the images were so atrociously low-quality and resized beyond their actual DVD footage size, but then I saw they're being linked from DB Wikia.

Is your comment related to the topic???

'Bout the images you posted in the topic

[VegettoEX]

Poor-quality images make poor points and confuse people. DB Wikia is an awful resource that helps nobody.

Combine the two, and yes, I'm posting something on-topic. Thanks. Carry on.

[JeffJarrett]

Poor-quality images make poor points and confuse people. DB Wikia is an awful resource that helps nobody.

Combine the two, and yes, I'm posting something on-topic. Thanks. Carry on.

I was talking about the Kai's servants. Your problems with DB wikia are not related to the in-universe Shin-jin.

[VegettoEX]

You need to stop looking to pin mistakes on the administrative staff. It's getting silly. We're doing our job by helping provide the best and clearest information. Not every single last comment we make is going to be both moderation AND on-topic when we have to do one or the other in the best interest of the thread.

Please carry on with the topic at hand. Thank you!

[Hellspawn28]

I hope they don't make Vegeta useless. He is pretty much #5 on the strongest characters on earth next to Fat Buu, Gohan, Goku and Gotenks. I also hope that Goku does not kill off the main villains with a Genki Dama .

[Chuquita]

I don't want to see Vegeta sidelined/made useless either.

While I did enjoy watching Goku mess with him in the Jump Tour 08 special, I know that I definitely want to see Vegeta literally get some battle-action this time around.

[Herms]

Mainly I was just wondering if there was an evil counterpart to the Daikaioshin.

We don't really know. We have precious little actual information on the Makaio/shin, and a huge heaping of fan speculation. Here's all we do know, from Toriyama's SEG: Character Guide interview:

--There is at least one Makaio and one Makaioshin. Toriyama mentions both terms, but doesn't specify number (and Japanese lacks a true plural), or say anything about them having different titles/ranks like the Kaios and Kaioshins.
--The Makaioshin(s) exists at the bottom of the big ball that contains the DB universe and afterlife (this is likewise where the Demon World itself is supposed to be located), is in opposition to the Kaioshin(s), and governs evil.
--"Currently" (whatever that means), the power of the Makaioshin(s) seems to be inferior to that of the Kaioshin(s).
--Rarely, Shinjin with evil hearts are born, and they go to be with the Makaio(s). Precisely what this means is uncertain. This is also the only time "Makaio" is mentioned, and nothing is said here about Makaioshin.

[TheRed259]

Didn't TheRed259 say, "If Pilaf recognizes Goku," not, "If Goku recognizes Pilaf"?

Yeap !!

Actually , if Pilaf meets adult Goku .
I would never say "If Goku recognizes Pilaf" because Goku is stupid enough to forget things so easy .

[sonikku956]

He's right. This could be an official canon after all!

...Don't quote me on this.

[Jackal puFF]

I hope they don't make Vegeta useless. He is pretty much #5 on the strongest characters on earth next to Fat Buu, Gohan, Goku and Gotenks. I also hope that Goku does not kill off the main villains with a Genki Dama .

Yeah, anything but that! I'm literally hoping for a combined attack from everyone though. I'll be content with a fusion kill too. But I just know it's going to be Goku that'll get the kill.