The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
User avatar
Angelus
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1971
Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:19 am
Location: Dragonball Multiverse
Contact:

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:43 pm

Initial #19 and #20 VS Piccolo (no weighted clothing on), Base Gohan, Yamcha, Tien, Krillin, Chiaotzu
[All Androids Saga, Pre-Kami Fusion. No Tribeam/Kienzan/Solar Flare. Absorbing allowed]


former matches:
Manga Buu Arc Chiaotzu VS Guru unlocked Roshi [manga DBZ only; exclude all BoG/FnF/DBS feats; No flying]

23rd WMAT Chiaotzu VS 22nd WMAT Roshi [No flying]

dragonball0900
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1074
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:47 pm

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:27 pm

Angelus wrote:Initial #19 and #20 VS Piccolo (no weighted clothing on), Base Gohan, Yamcha, Tien, Krillin, Chiaotzu
[All Androids Saga, Pre-Kami Fusion. No Tribeam/Kienzan/Solar Flare. Absorbing allowed]


former matches:
Manga Buu Arc Chiaotzu VS Guru unlocked Roshi [manga DBZ only; exclude all BoG/FnF/DBS feats; No flying]

23rd WMAT Chiaotzu VS 22nd WMAT Roshi [No flying]
I think with Piccolo's enough. He was dominating A20 with a bit of Piccolo's energy, as well as Vegeta's blast energy, with Vegeta's energy it seems a good boost.

Piccolo > A20 (energy absorbed) > Initial A20 >= Initial A19

User avatar
DanielSSJ
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1775
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:13 am
Location: Florida
Contact:

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:04 pm

Angelus wrote:Initial #19 and #20 VS Piccolo (no weighted clothing on), Base Gohan, Yamcha, Tien, Krillin, Chiaotzu
[All Androids Saga, Pre-Kami Fusion. No Tribeam/Kienzan/Solar Flare. Absorbing allowed]
- Piccolo is the only one around powerful enough to really do any damage to the Androids. However, given his utter beatdown of a powered-up Android No. 20, who was the stronger of the two anyways, I don't doubt that he should be able handle the two of them together, especially with Gohan and the others backing him up and providing distractions for the enemies, though Chiaotzu and/or Yamcha probably kick the bucket by the end of the fight.
My Official Unofficial Battle Power list (in-progress: updated 11/8/2022—FREEZA ARC COMPLETED)

User avatar
dragon boss z
I Live Here
Posts: 2047
Joined: Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:19 am

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:02 pm

Angelus wrote:Initial #19 and #20 VS Piccolo (no weighted clothing on), Base Gohan, Yamcha, Tien, Krillin, Chiaotzu
[All Androids Saga, Pre-Kami Fusion. No Tribeam/Kienzan/Solar Flare. Absorbing allowed]
The z fighters take it. Piccolo takes one out while the others distract one. Than Piccolo comes and takes the other out.

former matches:
Manga Buu Arc Chiaotzu VS Guru unlocked Roshi [manga DBZ only; exclude all BoG/FnF/DBS feats; No flying]

23rd WMAT Chiaotzu VS 22nd WMAT Roshi [No flying]
Roshi wins both of these and he may not even need to be unlocked by Guru.

User avatar
DanielSSJ
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1775
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:13 am
Location: Florida
Contact:

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:24 pm

dragon boss z wrote:Roshi wins both of these and he may not even need to be unlocked by Guru.
So even after all those years, Chiaotzu never got beyond a battle power of 139?
My Official Unofficial Battle Power list (in-progress: updated 11/8/2022—FREEZA ARC COMPLETED)

User avatar
Steven Bloodriver
I Live Here
Posts: 3499
Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:06 pm

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:47 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote: 1) Super Saiyan Blue Little Goku (GT) vs. Omega Shenron.

2) A powerful enough Stardust Breaker would be enough to end the Ethereal Merged Zamasu.

3) Vegito Blue vs. Beerus and Champa.

4) Masked Saiyan vs. Present Zamasu.
1) Omega Shenron gets erased in one shot.

3) Beerus can win by himself.

4) Probably Present Zamasu. But Bardock's feats in the game are totally inconsistent so we don't really know.
1) Syn Shenron vs. Captain Ginyu (Body of Tagoma).

2) Beerus vs. Venyu (Captain Ginyu in the body of Vegeta from Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F).

3) Super Saiyan Blue Xeno Bardock vs. Captain Ginyu (Body of Beerus).

User avatar
Hellspawn28
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 15721
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:50 pm
Location: Maryland, USA

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:53 pm

Who is the strongest DB character that Meliodas from Seven Deadly Sins can defeat?
She/Her
PS5 username: Guyver_Spawn_27
LB Profile: https://letterboxd.com/Hellspawn28/

User avatar
TheUltimateNinja
I Live Here
Posts: 4020
Joined: Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:17 pm

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:01 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote: 1) Syn Shenron vs. Captain Ginyu (Body of Tagoma).

2) Beerus vs. Venyu (Captain Ginyu in the body of Vegeta from Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F).

3) Super Saiyan Blue Xeno Bardock vs. Captain Ginyu (Body of Beerus).
1: Syn wins without too much difficulty, he's in a completely different tier.

2: Beerus oneshots.

3: Beenyu oneshots, Gods of Destruction > All.

User avatar
Steven Bloodriver
I Live Here
Posts: 3499
Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:06 pm

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:04 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote: 1) Syn Shenron vs. Captain Ginyu (Body of Tagoma).

2) Beerus vs. Venyu (Captain Ginyu in the body of Vegeta from Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F).

3) Super Saiyan Blue Xeno Bardock vs. Captain Ginyu (Body of Beerus).
1: Syn wins without too much difficulty, he's in a completely different tier.

2: Beerus oneshots.

3: Beenyu oneshots, Gods of Destruction > All.
4) Cell Junior vs. Base Bojack.

5) Super Perfect Cell vs. Hatchiyack.

6) Golden Frieza vs. Present Zamasu.

7) Ghost Warrior Metal Cooler vs. Majin Dabura.

User avatar
RandomGuy96
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8881
Joined: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:57 pm
Location: San Diego, California, USA

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:14 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote: 1) Syn Shenron vs. Captain Ginyu (Body of Tagoma).

2) Beerus vs. Venyu (Captain Ginyu in the body of Vegeta from Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F).

3) Super Saiyan Blue Xeno Bardock vs. Captain Ginyu (Body of Beerus).
1: Syn wins without too much difficulty, he's in a completely different tier.

2: Beerus oneshots.

3: Beenyu oneshots, Gods of Destruction > All.
4) Cell Junior vs. Base Bojack.

5) Super Perfect Cell vs. Hatchiyack.

6) Golden Frieza vs. Present Zamasu.
Base Bojack > M9 Vegeta > CG Vegeta = Cell Jr

Golden Freeza >= SSB Goku > SS3 Goku > SS2 Goku > Zamasu

These all seem really self-explanatory honestly.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

User avatar
Steven Bloodriver
I Live Here
Posts: 3499
Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:06 pm

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:16 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: 1: Syn wins without too much difficulty, he's in a completely different tier.

2: Beerus oneshots.

3: Beenyu oneshots, Gods of Destruction > All.
4) Cell Junior vs. Base Bojack.

5) Super Perfect Cell vs. Hatchiyack.

6) Golden Frieza vs. Present Zamasu.
Base Bojack > M9 Vegeta > CG Vegeta = Cell Jr

Golden Freeza >= SSB Goku > SS3 Goku > SS2 Goku > Zamasu

These all seem really self-explanatory honestly.
How about a Ghost Warrior incarnation of Metal Cooler vs. Majin Dabura?

dragonball0900
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1074
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:47 pm

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:26 pm

I have one.

Gohan from Android Saga vs 4th Form Frieza. No 50% or 100% allowed. This is the Frieza who killed Vegeta and from the beggining of the fight with Goku. Frieza is available to use no hands too.

User avatar
TheUltimateNinja
I Live Here
Posts: 4020
Joined: Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:17 pm

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:41 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote: How about a Ghost Warrior incarnation of Metal Cooler vs. Majin Dabura?
Dabura crushes Cooler, he's nearly as strong as Perfect Cell whereas Meta Cooler is barely pushing Imperfect Cell level at best.
dragonball0900 wrote:I have one.

Gohan from Android Saga vs 4th Form Frieza. No 50% or 100% allowed. This is the Frieza who killed Vegeta and from the beggining of the fight with Goku. Frieza is available to use no hands too.
Frieza still wins. He was using enough power to match Base Goku which would be 3 million/2.5%, and Gohan isn't quite there yet. He could waste Frieza with a rage boost, though.

dragonball0900
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1074
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:47 pm

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:50 pm

Yeah, I also have Frieza winning. Keep in mind, however, that Gohan trained with Piccolo and Goku for the Androids. We saw the huge increase Piccolo got so maybe Gohan, who had 200K back in the Frieza saga, could get to at least the 3M-4m like Goku and Frieza with that training. But yeah, Frieza takes this.

User avatar
DanielSSJ
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1775
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:13 am
Location: Florida
Contact:

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:33 pm

dragonball0900 wrote:I have one.

Gohan from Android Saga vs 4th Form Frieza. No 50% or 100% allowed. This is the Frieza who killed Vegeta and from the beginning of the fight with Goku. Frieza is available to use no hands too.
I honestly don't think Gohan is all that far behind the other Saiyans by that point, aside from not being a Super Saiyan yet. While Freeza would present some difficulties (partially due to Gohan's lack of tactical experience), he should have enough power to stalemate Freeza at the very least.
My Official Unofficial Battle Power list (in-progress: updated 11/8/2022—FREEZA ARC COMPLETED)

dragonball0900
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1074
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:47 pm

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:43 pm

Yeah. I have Frieza winning, but not a one shot obviously, it's more like putting

Vegeta (Frieza Saga) < Goku (Frieza Saga) < Frieza Supressed < Gohan <= Frieza Less Suppressed < Frieza 50%

He was less supressed when battling with no hands against Goku. If Gohan does get angry, he might surpass even Frieza's 50%, but not 100%
I have Base Saiyans in the Android saga much stronger than Gohan. Given the difference there was between Vegeta and Gohan (a 2-3 millions vs 200K) then I suppose the difference could have gotten smaller since Gohan was training with Piccolo and Goku. Vegeta training in heavy gravity would make the difference to reduce not that much though.

User avatar
dragon boss z
I Live Here
Posts: 2047
Joined: Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:19 am

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:15 pm

DanielSSJ wrote:
dragon boss z wrote:Roshi wins both of these and he may not even need to be unlocked by Guru.
So even after all those years, Chiaotzu never got beyond a battle power of 139?
139 was Roshi's resting state. His serious state is around 180 and his buff form is above that. According to Toriyama Roshi was always as strong as he was in RoF. Chiatzu could possibly win with his special powers, but I doubt he could take buff Roshi in h2h combat.

User avatar
apex_pretador
I Live Here
Posts: 2081
Joined: Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:17 pm

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:43 am

Angelus wrote:Initial #19 and #20 VS Piccolo (no weighted clothing on), Base Gohan, Yamcha, Tien, Krillin, Chiaotzu
[All Androids Saga, Pre-Kami Fusion. No Tribeam/Kienzan/Solar Flare. Absorbing allowed]

Piccolo one-shots all of them. Probably dr gero will need 2 shots again.

Already answered chiaotzu matches.
My dragon ball respect threads
Respect Piccolo
Respect Tao Pai Pai
Respect Freeza

User avatar
TheUltimateNinja
I Live Here
Posts: 4020
Joined: Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:17 pm

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:40 am

SSBlue Nappa vs 17 and 18.

User avatar
dbgtFO
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 7971
Joined: Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:07 pm
Contact:

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:54 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:Who is the strongest DB character that Meliodas from Seven Deadly Sins can defeat?
He has a power level of 60,000 or something or was it anove that?
In any case Captain Ginyu is where he stops based on his power level...

Post Reply