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Blueper doesn't look bad in motion. I like that it took time to master. Magenta!Gokû is still my fave tho.
I did like his and Vegeta's happiness at agreeing to not to team up because of how silly it felt. They're on the same page at least?
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
If Freeza survived wouldn't he remember what happened alongside Goku&the others ?
In terms of the leaked 27 minutes it was great so after watching this and the rest of the leaked footage I'm more then happy to say this is my favorite movie in the franchise and I hope Super and future movies keep up this great quality.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
What character development was there? Cause it seems like they went backwards They worked together to beat Buu and Vegeta made a fool of himself to keep the Earth save. Yet this time they refused to work together to beat Freeza and Vegeta only stepped in when Freeza was completely worn out.
As far as the fight goes it sucked, too much focus on Beerus and Whis eating candy. Plus the CGI was really jarring.
Freeza admitted he was outclassed and swallowed his pride in order to train; Piccolo showed he isn't always a strict father figure by showing he can gently take care of Pan; Goku finally puts his arrogance and selfish behavior to the side (he should have received this development in the Freeza arc and one can argue that he did and that this movie showcased character regression, but I digress). It's subtle, but it's there if you pay attention, just like all character development in Dragon Ball.
I actually wouldn't argue any sort of regression. Goku's rather consistently wanted a good fight above all else, and never really paid any kind of penalty for that. Even when he took Buu seriously, and solely because the entire universe was at stake, he bemoaned a waste of a good opponent. This is the first time he's really had to learn he can't put the fight above all.
It's similar to Goku and Vegeta working together; they were forced to when facing Buu (and even then as an absolute last resort) but I think they would do so again if forced. They key, however, is being forced, in a situation where there's no other option. Like it as not, that pride is part of their nature.
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“I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.” - Nelson Mandela
pacz360 wrote:So Freeza destroy earth with only a kiai?
Stanger things have happened...
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Would also like to mention that Jaco asking Bulma if he could have his picture taken with Beerus was pretty funny. X3
And Whis calling out Beerus on eating more than his share of strawberries.
What character development was there? Cause it seems like they went backwards They worked together to beat Buu and Vegeta made a fool of himself to keep the Earth save. Yet this time they refused to work together to beat Freeza and Vegeta only stepped in when Freeza was completely worn out.
As far as the fight goes it sucked, too much focus on Beerus and Whis eating candy. Plus the CGI was really jarring.
Freeza admitted he was outclassed and swallowed his pride in order to train; Piccolo showed he isn't always a strict father figure by showing he can gently take care of Pan; Goku finally puts his arrogance and selfish behavior to the side (he should have received this development in the Freeza arc and one can argue that he did and that this movie showcased character regression, but I digress). It's subtle, but it's there if you pay attention, just like all character development in Dragon Ball.
In regards to the fight, I agree that it was pretty underwhelming and average at best, CGI overall was better than BoG's but too much of it was used. The second time F was used was in that fight and most of it was spent on Beerus and Whis talking about food, lol, and their gags were pretty unnecessary. I loved Goku's punch to Freeza's chest, Vegeta's beat-down and Nakao's screams when Freeza gets out of the water, though.
I wouldn't call the Goku part character regression as he doesn't kill Freeza out of an aversion to killing. It was the same thing with Piccolo and Vegeta where he just opted for a rematch even after they were responsible for killing his friends (which in Piccolo's case would be King Piccolo, you know what I mean lol).
pacz360 wrote:So Freeza destroy earth with only a kiai?
Really does put into perspective how unbelievably strong Freeza became in ROF.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Chuquita wrote:Blueper doesn't look bad in motion. I like that it took time to master. Magenta!Gokû is still my fave tho.
I did like his and Vegeta's happiness at agreeing to not to team up because of how silly it felt. They're on the same page at least?