The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Ki Breaker]

Mastered golden freeza vs hit

[Gog]

Mastered golden freeza vs hit

Freeza makes the donuts.

[buutenks]

RoF Buffed Master Roshi vs Raditz. Who wins?

[Ki Breaker]

RoF Buffed Master Roshi vs Raditz. Who wins?

Roshi wins..
He was really strong as of rof, he should be nore than a match for raditz and just below or equal to nappa

[RedShift]

Buuhan vs Janemba and Hirudegarn simultaneously.

Battlefield is in Hell, the same place Goku fights Super Janemba.

Hirdugarn hit gotenks so hard that he defused. He solos

Buuhan is at least twice as powerful as SS3 Gotenks and has the most aggressive regeneration in the franchise. I don't think being punched is going to do much to him.

[TheUltimateNinja]

It wasn't stated they could of won easily. And it was a 2v1. I do think Krillin was above 13k though. Both him and Gohan could of been 16,000 to 24,000. Also Ginyu can't fight as good as Gohan or Krillin and doesn't know how to raise attack in bursts of power.

It doesn't really matter if it was a 2 vs 1 battle, they were holding back, Vegeta said so, since Ginyu looks like Goku. Goku even said after the 23,000 reading from Jeice's scouter that Gohan and Krillin are able to defeat Ginyu. Also a ki blast from Ginyu did no harm to Gohan at all, and Gohan even said that it was nothing to him, and we also see that Ginyu was fighting on par with Krillin, that makes Ginyu around Krillin's level, but a lot weaker than Gohan. They were only losing because they were holding back since Ginyu looks too much like Goku.

There's also a reason why Vegeta would need Gohan and Krillin's help against Frieza after all too, which makes the 75,000 number of Krillin to make sense, at least at the end of the battle of Frieza, since his power kept rising and rising.

Like I said I could see them around 23,000. I just don't see Krillin getting to 75,000. And Krillin did nothing in that fight besides destructo disc. And Gohan couldn't do anything without raging out.

Kuririn was running away like a champ.

[dragonball0900]

Like I said I could see them around 23,000. I just don't see Krillin getting to 75,000. And Krillin did nothing in that fight besides destructo disc. And Gohan couldn't do anything without raging out.

But remember that Vegeta said that because of First Form Frieza. Second Form Frieza is different, a 75,000 would be obviously nothing in comparison to an over one million power. Also, Gohan after getting a zenkai received a huge power up that even without raging out Vegeta was surprised at his power, that would make Gohan's 200,000 believable.
And as I said before, Ginyu's energy attack did no damage against Gohan, Gohan was clearly a lot superior than Ginyu in Goku's body, and the reason why they were not going all out is because they could see that Ginyu looked a lot like Goku, and Vegeta even said so.

Right, maybe Krillin didn't get to 75,000, maybe. But still, against Ginyu, Gohan was a lot superior, with Krillin was being equal to him, that is seen clearly in the manga.

[DBZAOTA482]

Lucy (Elfen Lied) vs. Female Dragon Ball characters

How does the vengeful diclonius stack up against the women of Dragon Ball in a fight?

1. Ranfan
2. Videl
3. Mai
4. Chi-Chi
5. Annin
6. Gine
7. Selypa (Fasha)

SCENARIO #1: Base Lucy fights first

SCENARIO #2: If Base Lucy loses then Long horns Lucy fights

SCENARIO #3: If Long horns Lucy fights first then Pre-Melting (after losing horns) Lucy fights

SCENARIO #4: If Pre-Melting Lucy fights first then Melting EoS Lucy fights

Rules: No killing

[DanielSSJ]

Lucy (Elfen Lied) vs. Female Dragon Ball characters

How does the vengeful diclonius stack up against the women of Dragon Ball in a fight?

1. Ranfan
2. Videl
3. Mai
4. Chi-Chi
5. Annin
6. Gine
7. Selypa (Fasha)

SCENARIO #1: Base Lucy fights first

SCENARIO #2: If Base Lucy loses then Long horns Lucy fights

SCENARIO #3: If Long horns Lucy fights first then Pre-Melting (after losing horns) Lucy fights

SCENARIO #4: If Pre-Melting Lucy fights first then Melting EoS Lucy fights

Rules: No killing

Lucy beats Ranfan, Mai, and Videl easily. She needs her powered up states to win against Chichi, and she's totally outclassed by Annin and the Saiyans.

[dragon boss z]

Like I said I could see them around 23,000. I just don't see Krillin getting to 75,000. And Krillin did nothing in that fight besides destructo disc. And Gohan couldn't do anything without raging out.

But remember that Vegeta said that because of First Form Frieza. Second Form Frieza is different, a 75,000 would be obviously nothing in comparison to an over one million power. Also, Gohan after getting a zenkai received a huge power up that even without raging out Vegeta was surprised at his power, that would make Gohan's 200,000 believable.
And as I said before, Ginyu's energy attack did no damage against Gohan, Gohan was clearly a lot superior than Ginyu in Goku's body, and the reason why they were not going all out is because they could see that Ginyu looked a lot like Goku, and Vegeta even said so.

Right, maybe Krillin didn't get to 75,000, maybe. But still, against Ginyu, Gohan was a lot superior, with Krillin was being equal to him, that is seen clearly in the manga.

75,000 would also be nothing to 530,000. Frieza was just playing with Nail who had a power level of 45,000 and Frieza wasn't even using all of his power.

And maybe Gohan got to 200,000 at the end of the fight, but that was only because of zenkais. Krillin doesn't get those. The max I see Krillin at in the Namek saga is around 30,000. I really don't see him going from a fly to Recoome to being stronger than him in just a few hours.

[dragonball0900]

75,000 would also be nothing to 530,000. Frieza was just playing with Nail who had a power level of 45,000 and Frieza wasn't even using all of his power.

And maybe Gohan got to 200,000 at the end of the fight, but that was only because of zenkais. Krillin doesn't get those. The max I see Krillin at in the Namek saga is around 30,000. I really don't see him going from a fly to Recoome to being stronger than him in just a few hours.

Well 75,000 I don't think that number was on the start of the battle, that could be on the end of the battle, right before he was killed (and revived). I think Krillin's power (or the humans in general) is up to anyone's interpretation.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

I'm afraid to say Krillin actually gets "zenkais" but doesn't Goku (in the rejuvenation chamber) say Krillin feels stronger than before after he was impaled by Frieza?

I'm pretty confident he wasn't 75,000 until Frieza had gone into his 2nd form.

[DanielSSJ]

I'm afraid to say Krillin actually gets "zenkais" but doesn't Goku (in the rejuvenation chamber) say Krillin feels stronger than before after he was impaled by Frieza?

I'm pretty confident he wasn't 75,000 until Frieza had gone into his 2nd form.

No, Goku just noted that his Ki, which was getting smaller due to him being mortally wounded, rose back to normal. It's more likely that Kuririn's power rose to 75K due to a delayed effect from the Grand Elder's potential unlock.

[dragon boss z]

Well 75,000 I don't think that number was on the start of the battle, that could be on the end of the battle, right before he was killed (and revived). I think Krillin's power (or the humans in general) is up to anyone's interpretation.

There is no indication Krillin got stronger throughout the battle. The only things he did was kienzan Frieza's tail off and distract him with a ki blast with Gohan. Maybe he did get up to 75,000 but I don't think there is enough proof to say that for sure.

[DanielSSJ]

There is no indication Krillin got stronger throughout the battle. The only things he did was kienzan Frieza's tail off and distract him with a ki blast with Gohan. Maybe he did get up to 75,000 but I don't think there is enough proof to say that for sure.

Vegeta telling Freeza straight up that Gohan's and Kuririn's powers were rising, and an official source stating Kuririn's battle power as 75k is proof enough for me.

[Gog]

Freit (Hit freeza potara fusion) V Vegetto

No time limit, battle to the death. Golden form stamina issues are gone.

[DanielSSJ]

Freit (Hit freeza potara fusion) V Vegetto

No time limit, battle to the death. Golden form stamina issues are gone.

I personally don't believe that Hit and Freeza would be a good pairing for Fusion. Goku and Vegeta, on the other hand, are an extremely good pairing, and Vegetto beats Freezit with complete ease.

[Gog]

Freit (Hit freeza potara fusion) V Vegetto

No time limit, battle to the death. Golden form stamina issues are gone.

I personally don't believe that Hit and Freeza would be a good pairing for Fusion. Goku and Vegeta, on the other hand, are an extremely good pairing, and Vegetto beats Freezit with complete ease.

How do the pairings even matter?

[DanielSSJ]

How do the pairings even matter?

Due to the apparent difference between the boost Goku and Vegeta got when they fuse (pushing them from not being anywhere near any of Boo's forms without SS3 to thrashing Boo's strongest form with ease at SS1) to the boost that Shin and Kibito got when they fused (Shin being above Piccolo but below any of the adult Super Saiyans before fusion and still being weaker than the SS2s, based on who stuck around for the fight with Pure Boo after fusion), and how Goku thought that he might actually get weaker by fusing with Mr. Satan, I and many others think that the Potara fusion method doesn't have a straight power-boosting formula.

I believe that the power boost is based on how well the two fusees suit each other. It could be based on things like species, age, height, weight, power, mindset, gender, and a whole bunch of other variables. Freeza and Hit, who are members of two different species, have a sizable disparity in power, and have no personal relationship with each other, would not benefit from fusing as much as Goku and Vegeta, who are both pure-blooded male Saiyans of around the same height, weight, and age, are nearly dead even in power, and are rivals to boot (the Elder Kaioshin sites this as a contributing factor for Vegetto's overwhelming power). Hence Vegetto getting much, MUCH stronger than a hypothetical fusion between Hit and Freeza.

TL;DR Fusees who have a lot in common (specifically battle power) will get much stronger than fusees who don't have a lot in common. Mind you, this is just my own opinions about Fusion.

[Gog]

How do the pairings even matter?

Due to the apparent difference between the boost Goku and Vegeta got when they fuse (pushing them from not being anywhere near any of Boo's forms without SS3 to thrashing Boo's strongest form with ease at SS1) to the boost that Shin and Kibito got when they fused (Shin being above Piccolo but below any of the adult Super Saiyans before fusion and still being weaker than the SS2s, based on who stuck around for the fight with Pure Boo after fusion), and how Goku thought that he might actually get weaker by fusing with Mr. Satan, I and many others think that the Potara fusion method doesn't have a straight power-boosting formula.

I believe that the power boost is based on how well the two fusees suit each other. It could be based on things like species, age, height, weight, power, mindset, gender, and a whole bunch of other variables. Freeza and Hit, who are members of two different species, have a sizable disparity in power, and have no personal relationship with each other, would not benefit from fusing as much as Goku and Vegeta, who are both pure-blooded male Saiyans of around the same height, weight, and age, are nearly dead even in power, and are rivals to boot (the Elder Kaioshin sites this as a contributing factor for Vegetto's overwhelming power). Hence Vegetto getting much, MUCH stronger than a hypothetical fusion between Hit and Freeza.

TL;DR Fusees with more in common (specifically battle power) will get much stronger than fusees without much in common. Mind you, this is just my own opinions about Fusion.

huh that is an interesting analysis on it. I've always assumed that due to Hit, and Finial form Freeza being nowhere near as strong, the fusion's base strength wouldn't rise much from Hit's base from. But the fusion would benefit from the power boost that the golden form would enable.