Daizenshuu EX DB wiki...again

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:43 am

WHAT?!

There's already a Wikia for Dragon Ball Fan-fics?!

Ghost of Vegeta · Post by **Ghost of Vegeta** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:47 am

Rod wrote:What is DBNA?

My sentiments exactly. Never heard of it.

Wikipedia uses things like third-party media sources to determine notability. We can't do so, so we'd have to determine what is "notable" by some other method. I can't imagine anyone thinks "DBNA" is notable, or at least as notable as Toyble's DBAF. I'm sure there are some that most of us would agree are "notable" within fandom (DBAF, Multiverse, TFS' abridged series are the only ones that come to mind based solely on how much attention they get here) but then we have borderline fan projects and then ones that just miss the mark.

Plus, there already seems to be a DB fandom wiki.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:49 am

The Time Traveller wrote: Herms is going to give birth when he sees the Dragonball Fanon Wiki...

If it's supposed to just be stuff fans made up, then I don't actually care. The problem is that the regular DragonBall wikia ought to be incorporated into the DB fanon wiki.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:36 pm

Herms wrote:
The Time Traveller wrote: Herms is going to give birth when he sees the Dragonball Fanon Wiki...
If it's supposed to just be stuff fans made up, then I don't actually care. The problem is that the regular DragonBall wikia ought to be incorporated into the DB fanon wiki.

Seriously. I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference.

BTW Herms- I tried once to flesh out the movie 3 villain bios with info you translated at the DB wiki. I was basically told that the info and their sources didn't count, and at most deserved passing trivia section entries. The moderators actually stepped in and basically called it official fanon. So the "biographies" stand as physical descriptions of the characters and who they paired off with to fight.

dragonballzgtfighter · Post by **dragonballzgtfighter** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:52 pm

I can see it now.

There are a lot of characters. But some characters only appeared for a short duration, meaning information can be quickly collected.

I guess there will be a new section in the forum where members submit their entries and work together to finalise and then post the final version in the site.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:23 pm

Yep, bringing this back up again. I took a few moments to put together a basic (and I mean basic) template for character articles, using Son Gokû as the primary example. Feel free to suggest any other worthy changes or additions:

Son Goku (そん　ごくう) is the main protagonist of the DragonBall story. Originally homage to the Chinese Monkey King, Son Goku would go onto become one of fictions most powerful characters as he learned about his alien origin as a Saiyan and fought foes both alien and magical in nature.

Table of Contents:
1. Character History: Covering the character’s history throughout the story.
2. Origin of Name: A description of the name’s meaning and/or pun.
3. Statistics & Abilities: Covering martial arts skills (KameHame-Ha, Kaiô-ken, etc.) and transformations in two sub-categories as well as physical appearance and the like.
4. Character Relationships: Covering his relationships with important characters, etc. Might be more apt to put this under S&A.
5. Reception: how the character is received (ala the Wiki articles for movies usually have a fair description of how the films are doing in reviews and the such).
6. Appearances in Other Media: Everything from magazines to TV host appearances to video games.
7. Performers: Describing who played the character when, where, and at which age (I don’t know if Mike wants to keep this strictly Japanese focused though, but if he doesn’t mind this could be a great way to get out little known performers of the character…’cause he’s got about ten child voice actors in English dubs alone).

But I assume this project is still relatively a ways off, right?

RoarkVegeta · Post by **RoarkVegeta** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:53 pm

IIRC, Mike said after we move the forum over, this is up next.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:58 pm

Tossing ideas out there...

I'd like to have a little box at the top of every page that's something like "STATUS: VETTED" or "NOT VETTED" (with a brief, one-or-two-line description of what that means). Have a couple super-users (probably consisting of myself, Julian, Herms, and Hujio) that have the power to check-off the page as being absolutely accurate in its current form, and any edits made after that would change it back to "NOT VETTED".

I don't see much in the way of problems due to anonymous edits (since it won't be possible), but I still think it would be a neat thing to include and showcase that authoritative touch even more.

Suggestions on platforms and necessary hacks to include these types of things very welcome

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Tweaker · Post by **Tweaker** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:21 pm

That's actually a pretty interesting way of making sure that pages are accurately fact-checked, though I would hope that anything added to a wiki page would be appropriately sourced upon being added to the article in the first place.

I'm not sure if any kind of mod exists for this, but one possibility is that any page that has not been personally checked by you or a "vet" for accuracy could have a small template inserted at the top of the page noting that it has not yet been fact-checked by a higher-up. It's a bit dirty and it's a manual process, but that's probably the best way to go about it.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:28 pm

I'm not all that knowledgeable about computers and internet software, but is this the stuff needed to make a Wiki?

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki

Tweaker · Post by **Tweaker** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:30 pm

Yes, MediaWiki is a necessary component in creating a wiki.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:41 pm

Can't anybody edit the page after one of the "superusers" have checked it though?

Tweaker · Post by **Tweaker** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:45 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:Can't anybody edit the page after one of the "superusers" have checked it though?

Yes, which isn't necessarily a problem; as long as the insertion and the removal of the template is handled appropriately and all additions to an article are checked for factual accuracy, there shouldn't be a problem.

Eddie · Post by **Eddie** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:53 pm

On this Wikia, can we include a complete list of video game appearances for the various characters? I remember back in the day on Wikipedia there were game appearance lists on some of the character articles. Extremely inaccurate lists. Every time I'd fix them, it would be deleted. Apparently it was crucial that people not know that Nappa wasn't playable in The Legacy of Goku or that side characters were actually playable in more than three games. I'd like to see game appearances treated with the respect they deserve.

Tweaker · Post by **Tweaker** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:00 pm

Eddie wrote:On this Wikia

Just thought I should clarify--there is a notable different between a wiki--a backend, interface and database used to store information--and Wikia--a website that hosts (largely poor) user-created wikis.

Be glad that we aren't creating a Wikia.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:29 pm

I think having a system like what you're proposing is brilliant, Mike. Not only for the end user who reads, but also for those who edit the wiki.

When a wiki editor see what gets approved they get a better idea of both how to organize, as well as how much info one should include to match the standards. Not to say a list of standards is bad, but having examples of what meets the standards can only serve to help clarify what is wanted.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:27 pm

Splended idea. Such will allow us to be more confident in our saying [size=0]"read this for proof"[/size] sourcing.

Eddie · Post by **Eddie** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:44 pm

Tweaker wrote:
Eddie wrote:On this Wikia
Just thought I should clarify--there is a notable different between a wiki--a backend, interface and database used to store information--and Wikia--a website that hosts (largely poor) user-created wikis.

Be glad that we aren't creating a Wikia.

Sorry. I appreciate your explanation. I didn't know the difference.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:13 pm

VegettoEX wrote:Tossing ideas out there...

I'd like to have a little box at the top of every page that's something like "STATUS: VETTED" or "NOT VETTED" (with a brief, one-or-two-line description of what that means). Have a couple super-users (probably consisting of myself, Julian, Herms, and Hujio) that have the power to check-off the page as being absolutely accurate in its current form, and any edits made after that would change it back to "NOT VETTED".

I don't see much in the way of problems due to anonymous edits (since it won't be possible), but I still think it would be a neat thing to include and showcase that authoritative touch even more.

Suggestions on platforms and necessary hacks to include these types of things very welcome .

Cool idea. I wonder if it's possible to automate it so that when a VETTED page is added to, it automatically becomes NOT VETTED until it's checked? Probably not hard to do.

Edit: Bah, that's exactly what you said... Sorry.

Yeah, it's a great idea.

B · Post by B » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:33 pm

That's a great idea. Although, I don't see the system completely preventing edit wars, but very well hinders them.

With the series being over for years, there'll come a point when you've covered every solid fact on a person/place/thing, almost to where it'd probably be best to lock a few pages from being edited. I mean, how much can you say about the Kinto'un before you get into speculation?

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