The general American fanbase really annoys me.

[TheGmGoken]

Man reason why I like Goku's JPN voice is because it's different. You also can tell who's the main character. It's something differ and new. Not to mention Brock Lesnar(Wrestler and UFC fighter) was build and his voice was high pitched.

It's not super deep but Brock's voice isn't that high.

I think it's high. Another example is the KING OF POP(RIP) Micheal Jackson.

[Mewzard]

We're not talking about the manga. The source material being the original Dragon Ball Z series as it was produced by TOEI.

It's true, since the material in the original Funimation dub doesn't match the original Japanese anime, it doesn't match the source material since the Japanese anime is the source.

That doesn't change the fact that the Manga is the source material (if you want to go even more specifically, the Japanese manga, and even more so we can go to the chapters released in Weekly Shonen Jump during the original run, but that's extremely nitpicky). The anime is derived from the manga, which is the source material. The anime will never be the source material by merit of it coming from a source.

For instance, I don't care how much you like the original TMNT cartoon that started back in 1987, the Mirage Comic series started by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird back in 1984 is the source material (it's also by far the best material in TMNT, and probably not too appropriate for kids, but that's besides the point).

It's called the source material because it all started from some point. For Dragon Ball, it was the manga; for TMNT, it was the Comics; for Mobile Suit Gundam, it was the 1979 Anime (though one could argue the novelization by the series creator and the manga (MGS: The Origin) by the character designer are both superior works, as they were allowed to be done by one creator, rather than having to try to ram ideas through a company's vision and fighting early cancellation).

I've never been outside the US so I don't know what may or may not be true for another country, but I would agree that men are "supposed" to have deeper voices than women. But while Goku may sound womanly to some, maybe he sounds natural to children in Japan? Maybe being more high pitched is reflective of his innocent nature? If JPN Goku sounds like a woman to people around the world then I humbly retract my statement.

You say "in real life" but I think it's important to frame this as an anime thing. We've all heard tons of voices, from the highest pitched to the deepest, like FUNi Piccolo, that I think wouldn't sound natural to some degree, but they definitely sound badass on screen.

I'm not sure if it is, but even in Japan, you quite often get men with deep voices back during Dragon Ball's run. Anything Akira Kamiya voiced for instance (Kenshiro had an amazing voice). Tohru Furuya didn't have the deepest voice, yet when he voiced young teens, they still sounded more masculine than Goku most of the time. Luckily for Furuya, he seems immortal with eternal youth granted to his voice, so I won't complain there.

As for Funi Piccolo, yeah that was unnatural...then again, he was a green alien who formerly called himself a Demon, and was voiced in a way that made him sound Demonic in the Ocean Dub. For his Kai voice, he's actually kept it mostly close to his natural speaking voice (kinda in his Zoro level). Though, screams and such do go back down a bit.

And GM, don't you mean the King of Pop? People made fun of Michael Jackson's voice on occasion (though when it came to music, he was purely amazing).

[Gaffer Tape]

That doesn't change the fact that the Manga is the source material (if you want to go even more specifically, the Japanese manga, and even more so we can go to the chapters released in Weekly Shonen Jump during the original run, but that's extremely nitpicky). The anime is derived from the manga, which is the source material. The anime will never be the source material by merit of it coming from a source.

etc...

If you're talking about the story or franchise in general, then, yes, I would agree with you. The original manga is the source, and the animated version is an adaptation. However, we're talking about dubbing. And in terms of dubbing something into another language, the source material is whatever is being dubbed. So, yes, the anime IS the source material in the context of this conversation.

To use your own example, while TMNT's original source material is the comics, there was another comic series that was spun off from the television series. It had nothing to do with the original comics. So while the original comics are the progenitor of all future TMNT products, in this case, this particular comic did not use "the source" as its source material. The TV show was its source material. To continue even further, there was a wide range of action figures in the '80s and '90s of TMNT. Most of them were largely based on the comics. However, there was a specific line of Toon Turtles that sourced the cartoon. There was a Movie Star line that imitated the look of the feature films. In those latter two cases, they certainly weren't using the original comics as their source material.

[matt0044]

Does Nozawa make Goku sound young for his age? He's 23 at the beginning of DBZ.

And a boy tends to hit puberty around 13. Your point?

[sangofe]

Man reason why I like Goku's JPN voice is because it's different. You also can tell who's the main character. It's something differ and new. Not to mention Brock Lesnar(Wrestler and UFC fighter) was build and his voice was high pitched.

The reason I like it is also this, and also the fact that it simply doesn't sound human!

[ABED]

Does Nozawa make Goku sound young for his age? He's 23 at the beginning of DBZ.

And a boy tends to hit puberty around 13. Your point?

It's high but the voice works for that age and build. People's voices change, well into adulthood.

referring to brock lesnar:

I think it's high.

It has a lot of bass to it. I'll admit that I didn't expect his voice to sound like that when we first heard him speak in 2002, but it's deeper than actors like Furukawa.

[Axiom]

So I'm not understanding - I'm ignorant because I don't like the female voice actor of Goku? I think DBZ is one of the best dubbed animes, most of them are terrible and I prefer the Japanese voices, DBZ is perfect.

[dbzfan7]

So I'm not understanding - I'm ignorant because I don't like the female voice actor of Goku? I think DBZ is one of the best dubbed animes, most of them are terrible and I prefer the Japanese voices, DBZ is perfect.

DBZ is not even close to one of the best dubbed animes. I love the English voices. But the first dub and remastered dub are bad. DBZ is not even close to a perfect dub. If it were then they wouldn't have created so many problems. I ain't much of an anime fan, but i'm pretty sure anyone on here who is an anime fan can list 20 dubs with better acting and accuracy then the dbz dub. The Kai dub is miles beyond the Z dub in acting and accuracy and even then it's not perfect or have spectacular acting.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So I'm not understanding - I'm ignorant because I don't like the female voice actor of Goku? I think DBZ is one of the best dubbed animes, most of them are terrible and I prefer the Japanese voices, DBZ is perfect.

While music & voices are opinion based, and I won't argue with you on that, the FUNi dub of DBZ has a terribly inaccurate script (plot holes, out-of-character moments, completely different back-stories, completely made up facts), and the voice acting is also terrible at times. These two are facts.

[ABED]

it's not perfect or have spectacular acting.

No, it's not perfect but there are plenty of moments where the acting is tremendous in Kai.

[dbzfan7]

it's not perfect or have spectacular acting.

No, it's not perfect but there are plenty of moments where the acting is tremendous in Kai.

I wouldn't say tremendous, but they have really good moments.

[Hellspawn28]

I also hate it when American fans will say stuff about the manga that are stupid like "I hate reading backwards" .

[ABED]

it's not perfect or have spectacular acting.

No, it's not perfect but there are plenty of moments where the acting is tremendous in Kai.

I wouldn't say tremendous, but they have really good moments.

Really good is an understatement. Actors like Ayres and Clinkenbeard are so good, I can't see why you wouldn't say something more than "really good".

[TheGmGoken]

So I'm not understanding - I'm ignorant because I don't like the female voice actor of Goku? I think DBZ is one of the best dubbed animes, most of them are terrible and I prefer the Japanese voices, DBZ is perfect.

One of the best dubbed anime? Not to disrespect your opinion but as an anime geek, I have to tell you DBZ english dub isn't even in the top 100. That's barely a hyperbole so that's saying a lot. A good dub is good voice acting and some-what accurate script. Only example of this for the franchise is Dragonball english dub as DBGt voice acting was hit and miss at times and DBz kai was a good translation. To be one of the best dubs you have to have these:
Accurate script.
Good - outstanding voice acting
Original Music
Accurate Voice acting(Imitating the original audio. Rather than being a good voice)
Less than 4 bad voices

Funimation Dbz failed at all of these. Not even close to perfect.

[TheMightyOzaru]

So I'm not understanding - I'm ignorant because I don't like the female voice actor of Goku? I think DBZ is one of the best dubbed animes, most of them are terrible and I prefer the Japanese voices, DBZ is perfect.

The original Funi dub of DBZ is anything but perfect.

[RandomGuy96]

Yes, someone has a different opinion. Let's laugh at them and treat our opinions as fact.

[Kendamu]

So I'm not understanding - I'm ignorant because I don't like the female voice actor of Goku? I think DBZ is one of the best dubbed animes, most of them are terrible and I prefer the Japanese voices, DBZ is perfect.

Dragon Ball Z's dub is good if you're watching it the same way you'd watch Voltron or Samurai Pizza Cats and only one of those is intentionally bad. From a serious viewpoint, though, DBZ has a horribly inaccurate dub with green voice actors and replacement music that doesn't even fall into the same universe in terms of themes and tones. Whether you or I like that dub or not is irrelevant. It is definitely not one of the best. It almost completely fails in the sense that it did not take a foreign show and present it to an American audience. Instead it took that show, changed up a bunch of things (including characterization, backstory, and motivations), and gave us a new product that keeps the same basic storyline as the original foreign show. That does not fall into the "best" or "perfect" categories outside of ironic enjoyment of nostalgic television.

The thing is, there's nothing wrong with liking something like the Dragon Ball Z dub. I enjoy the everloving crap Samurai Pizza Cats with no shame attached. I'm just not about to say that it's a good dub of Kyatto Ninden Teyandee because, based on the original characterizations, motivations, backstories, music, and voices, Samurai Pizza Cats doesn't even try to be close to its source show. They're completely different products that just happen to use the same moving pictures. So, let's not pretend for a single moment that Dragon Ball Z's dub (outside of a few movies) remotely resembles a "good dub" of the original Dragon Ball Z.

[TheGmGoken]

Yes, someone has a different opinion. Let's laugh at them and treat our opinions as fact.

Who laughed? Also it isn't an opinion. It's fact that the Dbz english dub wasn't perfect. Nothing is perfect.

[RandomGuy96]

Ozaru posted a "lol" emoticon.

[TheGmGoken]

Ozaru posted a "lol" emoticon.

"LOL no". Not a "lol" eomoticon.