Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 19 - Official Discussion Thread

[Jord]

Using footage in your videos is fair use if it's for educational or analytical purposes, as is the case with Ajay's animation breakdowns.

Problem is the stipulation of Fair Use literally does not exist in Japan. And Toei is a Japanese company. It's the same reason why TotallyNotMark's channel nearly got obliterated a few years back. He was able to eventually resolve it by implementing a regional restriction that blocked his channel in Japan specifically, but for some reason this option isn't available to the average user despite the fact that I really see no way having this as an option would harm YouTube's bottom line. In fact it might save them a lot of legal trouble in situations exactly like this, where something is legal in some parts of the world but not others.

Don't forget that TotallyNotMark sells bootleg T--shirts via his channel, copying copyrighted characters to make money out of it.

[The Monkey King]

Don't forget that TotallyNotMark sells bootleg T--shirts via his channel, copying copyrighted characters to make money out of it.

Pretty sure he did that one time years ago with a drawing he made. The only design he has now is a Chainsaw-Man parody one:

https://tnmcrew.creator-spring.com/

[Jord]

Don't forget that TotallyNotMark sells bootleg T--shirts via his channel, copying copyrighted characters to make money out of it.

Pretty sure he did that one time years ago with a drawing he made. The only design he has now is a Chainsaw-Man parody one:

https://tnmcrew.creator-spring.com/

At the time of the TOEI takedown he was selling Goku shirts. Can't think TOEI was happy about that, which may have been a factor.

[The Monkey King]

Don't forget that TotallyNotMark sells bootleg T--shirts via his channel, copying copyrighted characters to make money out of it.

Pretty sure he did that one time years ago with a drawing he made. The only design he has now is a Chainsaw-Man parody one:

https://tnmcrew.creator-spring.com/

At the time of the TOEI takedown he was selling Goku shirts. Can't think TOEI was happy about that, which may have been a factor.

I Can't deny that's a fair point.

[LoganForkHands73]

Before I begin: Thank you for the shout out in the last thread. With many here having turned on this show that I've personally been enjoying, knowing that my reactions are valued has kept me going when the negativity got demoralizing enough to make me consider quitting since the show was increasingly becoming not fun to talk about.

Likewise, old sport, was just trying to spread some positivity

I can see how that line wouldn't cut it looking at it in a vacuum.

But the show has spent a lot of time establishing that life in The Third Demon World is hard, brutal even, and I think that worldbuilding goes a long way towards establishing Glorio's motivations: He wanted to escape that hard life like anyone would and is therefore grateful to Arinsu for being his ticket out of that.

Could some monologue from him prompted by some interaction with another character have also gotten that across and contributed to his warming up to the group? Sure, but he's been established to be a humorless guy whose M.O. is keeping everything close to his chest, so having to rely on the occasional prompted smile or compliment to communicate his defrosting is in line with that characterization (And as someone who in real life is also a quiet guy that keeps a lot of stuff close to his chest and can seem humorless to strangers, his behavior feels real to me. People like this don't outwardly express their feelings the way other folks would like them to- if they end up expressing them at all).

Yeah, that is a solid argument, definitely one of those things that may be clearer upon a full series rewatch as Vegeta the 4th said.

However, I stand by my point that Arinsu really needed to talk to Glorio about saving him before he made this drastic decision. Until this past couple episodes, Glorio's relationship to Arinsu seemed to be little more than that of a henchman and employer. The reveal that there's actually real fealty and complex love/hate emotions going on between them could have been a fantastic subversion of expectations, but as it transpired, it felt clunky to me. The slow-mo shot of him passing by her enigmatic face could have had more weight behind it.

That said, I like that Arinsu has enough situational awareness to understand Glorio's decision given the grave stakes and his exposure to the Dragon Team, even though she's disappointed (and apparently quite hurt). It's nice to see an evil genius who actually displays some degree of emotional intelligence. The b-plot of her basically becoming an unexpected mother to two idiot sons has been some of my favourite stuff in this show by far.

I'm glad that Glorio really resonated with you. Would you say Uchiyama's performance is part of it? I think the casting for this series has been very underrated. Goma and Arinsu are both played to perfection, too.

[Basaku]

By all purpouses, retelling BOG and ROF was the right decision, it's only unfortunate how badly it was executed animation wise.

It wasn't just the production quality, it was the decision to extend each movie to 14 and 12 episodes each. BOG was 105 minutes long, the equivalent of 5 episodes. RF was 95 minutes long, also close to 5 episodes. Why did they need to be triple and double their original length ?

Ain't gonna disagree with that, they bloated it all too much IMO. Tho some extensions should be made, I think the Goten and Trunks stuff in SuperHero "adaptation" that Toyo did is a very good addition to the whole 'era'

[taikufuru]

Understanding how the rhythm of a weekly series works, especially one released in 2015, I would have divided the retelling like this:

In the first two episodes, portray how the characters are a few months after the battle against Majin Boo. Goku is working and has Chi-Chi's permission to train from time to time, Gohan and Videl are newlyweds and emphasize Vegeta's change as a good person and his relationship with his family (this will be important later in this arc).

From the third episode onwards, we jump to 778. The Battle of Gods arc really begins. Try to follow the plot of the film to the letter, without unnecessary changes or omissions. It is understandable to extend the battles and provide more details of the universe to fit a weekly rhythm, for example, Goku using all his transformations against Beerus. Remember to explain how the Pilaf Gang became children (the TV series left this out!), Trunks and Mai's relationship (this will also be important in the future) and a foreshadowing for the revelation of Videl's pregnancy.

The outcome of the battle follows Toyotaro's idea, that is, Goku does not absorb the power of the Super Saiyan God in his base form.

Well, I think ending this arc in episode 10 is great. 20% Slice of Life and 80% main story.

Episodes 11 and 12 will deal with Goku and Vegeta convincing Whis to take them to train, as well as the beginning of the training, establishing a bridge between Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F'.

Episodes 13-20 will closely cover the events of Resurrection 'F', establishing some improvements, such as Goku being knocked down by Sorbet in his base form, foreshadowing of Super Saiyan Blue, and the omission of that not-so-tense moment where Vegeta could betray the Z-Fighters and follow Freeza's orders.

The ideal would be to follow the story of the films to the letter (there's nothing much to change in altering the story completely), serving as an expansion of those stories and not necessarily a new version.

I would love an adaptation of Jaco: The Galactic Patrolman as a mini-arc to introduce/expand the character on the show. It could be during the Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F' arcs, but as far as retellings of the movies go, the work would be covered in these 20 episodes.

The animation would still be a big problem, but speaking from a narrative perspective, that would be the best option here. And if there weren't any legal issues, they could reuse scenes from the films and mix them with those from the anime. That's what was done in Boruto and in this case it would optimize the animators' work.

[JulieYBM]

There's definitely some shoddiness in the scripts for Super. The weird treatment of Videl sticks out a lot, but I do think that even as-is, those scripts would have benefitted from two years of pre-production, instead of three months.

Jesus, that was a terrible decision on their part.

[MCDaveG]

Damn, my reaction got lost on the phone last week, as some things in Safari do not work properly...
But long story short and quick recap of it:
– I didn't like this episode from writing point of view and overall at all, except for the small parts with Glorio...
– The rest was just flashy fights with probably the most boring villain which kinda hurts when this show is anniversary piece in a sense.
– But, the flashy flights and artstyle in particular look drop dead gorgeous, so there's that.

I wouldn't mind this kind of episode in a classic longer format show and with more episodes until the end (or in the middle),
but in this short format with writing that is supposed to be tight and better planned in comparison to longer TV weekly shows,
I can't wait for another rushed out of the ass ending with promises of future adventures...
Which will definitely go down to:
Goku: Phew that was a farce again, let's go eat.
Vegeta: I will surpass you with SSJ5 one day Kakarot!


I am not the kind of fan that runs on eyecandy and reacts with wet pants just because I have seen SSJ4 being thrown in casually, or Millenium Falcon for the 100th time. I want more fun stories with the characters and overcoming some obstacles without Chekhov's gun being used on one of the weakest (character wise) character in the show.
But it feels like all the character driven writing or what little was there, went straight outta the window
for uninspired flashy DeeBeeZee stuff.

Feels like if they released new Batman show and it was, hey, it's Batman doing Batman stuff. Lurking in the shadows to punch someone, because he's criminal. There is guy on the bike stealing jewels, bring in batmobile. He's happy Bruce Wayne billionaire philanthropist in the public but grumpy guy when he wears the cowl... and that was everything that series would offer. No character driven beats, no deconstruction behind it, no growth and the same old things we've seen already - hey it's Joker falling into acid vat, hey, this is the DA Harvey Dent, I wonder where this is going. Just punching people in the chins and toys.

[Retan]

So are the new vas gonna stick around past daima or not? Any one know?

[Majin Buu]

Yeah, that is a solid argument, definitely one of those things that may be clearer upon a full series rewatch as Vegeta the 4th said.

However, I stand by my point that Arinsu really needed to talk to Glorio about saving him before he made this drastic decision. Until this past couple episodes, Glorio's relationship to Arinsu seemed to be little more than that of a henchman and employer. The reveal that there's actually real fealty and complex love/hate emotions going on between them could have been a fantastic subversion of expectations, but as it transpired, it felt clunky to me. The slow-mo shot of him passing by her enigmatic face could have had more weight behind it.

That's fair. Seeing more of their relationship wouldn't have hurt.

I'm glad that Glorio really resonated with you. Would you say Uchiyama's performance is part of it? I think the casting for this series has been very underrated. Goma and Arinsu are both played to perfection, too.

I'd say that's part of it. Goku getting his name wrong so much requires him to say his name a lot to correct and he says it in the same flat tone much of the time so "Glorio Da" became something of a catchphrase I associate with him. Plus I can relate to the experience of falling in with a group of quirky folks that grow on you over time.

Daima will greatly benefit from being watched as a completed product, as the slower parts won't be noticeable when combined with the faster paced, more action heavy ones. Episode 13 seems to be the ones most have an issue with, however, on rewatches it won't stand out as much when it's being watched alongside episode 12. I wait for any anime I'm interested in to finish an entire arc before I watch it, as many of their flaws tend to not be as glaring when consumed as a whole. I cannot imagine watching a show like One Piece week to week.

Indeed. I intend to binge the show for a rewatch once it's over to test that as I've seen folks say the same thing about the Tournament of Power.

[BernardoCairo]

I'm predicting a Dragon Fist for the next episode and no Goku and Vegeta fusion (maybe other fusions). The end is almost here.

[fadeddreams5]

Well, I watched the final episode. VegettoEX, unlock the thread, pretty peas.

[Noah]

Dragon Ball has always been artistically dead. Yamauchi Shigeyasu not being allowed to go further into depth with Broli's character like he wanted to was proof enough of that.

This franchise isn't about the artistic freedom of creators to do as they please, it's about earning the production committee members as much money as possible.

I'm interested, is there a source on that? Also what version of Broly you was talking about?

[JulieYBM]

Dragon Ball has always been artistically dead. Yamauchi Shigeyasu not being allowed to go further into depth with Broli's character like he wanted to was proof enough of that.

This franchise isn't about the artistic freedom of creators to do as they please, it's about earning the production committee members as much money as possible.

I'm interested, is there a source on that? Also what version of Broly you was talking about?

https://xcancel.com/Brolist_kr/status/1 ... 5Kh6Q&s=19

Assuming that this thread is right, the staff wanted to do more with him, but couldn't.