Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 19 - Official Discussion Thread

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Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 19

ウラギリ
Uragiri
Betrayal

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Kanzenshuu Episode Guide Page:

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/daima/eps-019

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Release Information:

JAPAN:
Date: February 21, 2025
Time: Around 11:40 p.m
Channel: Fuji TV

INTERNATIONAL STREAMING:
Date: February 21, 2025
Sources: Simulcast streams include Crunchyroll (North America, Central America, South America, Europe, Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Indian subcontinent, Southeast Asia, and Middle East); delayed streams include Netflix (Asia/global)

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[Yuji]

An enjoyable episode for once.

Funny how both the SS3 Vegeta and SS4 Goku designs are better and cooler when they're not on stick figure children with blocky Nakatsuru/Tsuji heads. Who would have thought? Still not a fan of how these forms were presented and executed but at least their designs are pleasing to look at now.

I could have passed on the memberberry SS3 transformation sequence. "This is to go further beyond" was iconic because we didn't know what came after, we just saw SS4 last episode.

Again, I felt the fighting had no weight this episode. I can't believe the Gomah fight took this long without any interesting twists.

The Glorio turn would have hit harder if the character wasn't sidelined after his fight with Goku in episode 5. For three thirds of the series we heard almost nothing from him, and only know we're getting trinkets of his backstory.

Gomah is incredibly not fun. I understand he's meant to be a big joke but there's nothing keeping me engaged.

The Bulma bath gag was funny.

I hope the fusion, if it's still happening, is unique.

[Soba Mask]

So either Daima is not canon or Super isn't. Goku can go 4 on his own now...

Hope we will get Vegeta next week

[JulieYBM]

Good lord, this man is looking gorgeous. The perspective on the middle right-most shot of Super Saiyan 4 Gokuu fucks up his pecs, though.

In other news: god, the Gomah just has nothing going on. I didn't need to see Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta (Adult) failing to do jackshit against a guy who he has no chemistry with.

[Xeogran]

Badass SSJ4 - GLAD IT HAPPENED AGAIN! It especially feels good as a fan of GT
Vegeta wasted 85% of this episode but at least we got to see his adult SSJ3 version.
His base fight against Gomah didn't need to be there, not with this little time left.

Gomah is a lame villain and his weakness is equally lame (being hit 3 times in the head from back). I hope for a twist next week and something interesting to discuss.

[Yuji]

Good lord, this man is looking gorgeous. The perspective on the middle right-most shot of Super Saiyan 4 Gokuu fucks up his pecs, though.

In other news: god, the Gomah just has nothing going on. I didn't need to see Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta (Adult) failing to do jackshit against a guy who he has no chemistry with.

Takahashi did the Super Saiyan transformations, right?

[JulieYBM]

Takahashi did the Super Saiyan transformations, right?

They seem really in-line with his approach to mimicing the older Yamamuro movie style, so I wouldn't be surprised if he at least heavily corrected the key animation. Takahashi was both a chief animation supervisor and a key animator for the episode.

[DBZ Macky]

Again, I felt the fighting had no weight this episode. I can't believe the Gomah fight took this long without any interesting twists.

For real, as enjoyable as the episode was, Base Vegeta VS Gomah felt like more of a waste of time than the Megath episode.
I guess they wanted to end the episode on the cliffhanger of Super Saiyan 4 Adult Goku, which I enjoyed the build up of, but I can't see them wrapping everything up neatly in the last episode.

Also someone correct me if I'm wrong, but we have zero actual voice lines from the following characters, right?
Marron
Puar
Oolong
Ox-King/Gyu-Mao
Yamcha

Didn't they get new voice actors announced, most likely for the mini versions of their characters? If they're back to being adults now do the voice actors still get the paycheck?

[Yuji]

I was also getting worried about Nozawa's health but that scream from SS3 into 4 was amazing.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

This show would've been so much better if they kept them as adults. The quality in designs is night and day. It's such a shame they waited so long to revert them back, but better late than never I guess.

[Trouser]

Well, the new SSJ4 design in adult version is x10 better than the kid version, but... those big hands are lame. The OG version is still a better one. Also, I'm not a fan of attaining SSJ4 without a tail in base form, seems weird, cheap.

Looking at this episode, I am now 100% sure that turning characters into kids in the first place was a BAD, BAD, BAD idea.

[The Monkey King]

This episode confirmed to me that keeping the cast in ugly, chibi kid designs for 98% of the series was one of the worst creative decisions in the history of the franchise.

It's no surprise that Daima fight scenes are much more enjoyable when the character designs are actually good and the characters look cool.

The "kid-adventure" part of Daima will probably be memory holed, people will only talk about the last 3 episodes, the Tamagami fights and the Buu saga flashbacks when talking about Daima a year from now.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

It looked like Goku was using the Dragon Fist in the preview for ep20.

[fadeddreams5]

He didn't call it Super Saiyan 4 at the end! I think this form is going to be called Super Saiyan Maximum, based on the next episode title. lol.

Also, this series cannot be canon to Super. It's its own continuity unless Neva erases everyone's memories or they reveal this new form cannot be used outside demon realm. Also, Shin needs to refuse with Kibito.

[Issei189]

Majority of Vegeta's fight with Gomah in terms of Choreography was enjoyable and the Animation was good. The last scene where Goku transforms into SS, SS2, SS3 and SS4 had Amazing art.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

This episode confirmed to me that keeping the cast in ugly, chibi kid designs for 98% of the series was one of the worst creative decisions in the history of the franchise. Daima fight scenes are much more enjoyable when the character designs are actually good and the characters look cool.

I agree with both statements. Turning them into kids had no impact on the plot at all, so why do it ? Going to the demon realm to save Dende would've been enough to get the plot going.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Also, this series cannot be canon to Super. It's its own continuity unless Neva erases everyone's memories or they reveal this new form cannot be used outside demon realm. Also, Shin needs to refuse with Kibito.

There was some plot point in Heroes years ago where Ssj4 could only be used in the demon realm due to it messing with time and space...I think. They could do that again, although they'll likely remove the time and space aspect of it.

[Yuji]

He didn't call it Super Saiyan 4 at the end! I think this form is going to be called Super Saiyan Maximum, based on the next episode title. lol.

I hate how this franchise seems so averse to continuity. We have 3 names for Legendary Super Saiyan, 2 names for Blue, and now presumably 2 names for SS4.

[t0ffe3m4n]

Anyone else think that the Super Saiyan 4 reveal would've had much more impact if it was just saved for this episode? I mean.. did we really need the chibi version shown to us first?

[QuakingStar]

It directly conflicts with his line in DBS about SS3 being the final form he had when he fought Beerus. So either there is still a timelimit on Goku being able to use this form and this is just him re-entering it before that is up, or it can only be used in the Demon Realm.. or Toriyama just didn't care. Either way, Daima is canon. I definitely love it better for adult Goku, and the transformation sequences were all great.