The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[ryan1227]

Masenko vs. Kikoho

Which blast is stronger and why? This is in the battle against Nappa.

[dragon boss z]

Who said it was half power? And King Piccolo took it with no damage anyways.

There seems to be a bit of confusion here. It was Piccolo who who was at less than half power, not the Kamehameha he tanked.
From the Strength Checker:

Chapter: 143, P12.3
Context: Piccolo continues to outclass Goku
Piccolo: “Hohhohhoh…You have no chance of winning, no matter how you struggle, and you can’t run away either. It seems all that’s left for you is the road to death. I’m still not even putting out half of my power. Too bad for you…so then, what will you do?”

Ah Ok, that makes more sense. However it does nothing to prove Goku is over twice as strong as when he beats Tao.

Who said it was half power?

Chapter: 143, P12.3
Context: Piccolo continues to outclass Goku
Piccolo: “Hohhohhoh…You have no chance of winning, no matter how you struggle, and you can’t run away either. It seems all that’s left for you is the road to death. I’m still not even putting out half of my power. Too bad for you…so then, what will you do?”

I thought he meant the kamehameha was at half power.

[dragon boss z]

I made an error. I meant 22nd goku, not 23rd.

[DanielSSJ]

Masenko vs. Kikoho

Which blast is stronger and why? This is in the battle against Nappa.

If we're talking about the techniques themselves, the Kikoho wins no contest. The Masenko is a pretty basic attack, while the Kikoho is a massively focused and amplified Kiai shock wave with a metric f*ckton of destructive force behind it.
If we're talking about the individual blasts as they were in the fight, the Kikoho was still the stronger of the two. Despite being half dead and missing an arm, Tenshinhan's uncharged Kikoho actually forced Nappa to put up a guard and it still drew blood. Punching away Gohan's Masenko just stung Nappa's arm a little.

[DSB]

Lavender vs Super Perfect Cell

[apex_pretador]

Anyway...

- SSJ Trunks vs SSJ Goku(Post-Yadrat)
- Yamcha & Krillin vs Tien (23rd budokai)
- Piccolo(Pre-Kami) vs SSJ Trunks(Pre-ROSAT)
- Supreme Kai & Kibito vs Full Power Perfect Cell

Trunks in androids arc wins or puts up a good fight, but mecha arc trunks loses.

Tien is just too fast. He can be invisible to them, and is strong enough to manhandle them. He wins.

Trunks manhandles piccolo. He is not really in the same realm as super saiyans.

Won't touch kaioshin matchup.

Tenshinhan and Weighted Goku (23rd Budokai) vs Popo

Tenshinhan alone is a good match. Adding any non-fodder gives him a win.
Goku if trying to kill, annihilates with a massive super kamehameha.

Super Saiyan 2 Goku Namek saga V Android 18

Goku annihilates with one punch, maybe a casual ki blast or backhand.

SSJ3 Namek Goku vs Grade 2 Vegeta (Cell Arc)

SS3 goku annihilates perfect cell.

Lavender vs Super Perfect Cell

Cell blows up the planet.

[DSB]

Lavender vs Super Perfect Cell

Cell blows up the planet.[/quote]

Gohan was having trouble with him and cell won't ?

That Gohan is at least stronger than SSj2 teen Gohan

[DBZ Macky]

1. Basil vs Lavenda
2. Transformed Basil vs Lavenda
3. Piccolo vs Basil

[DBZAOTA482]

It's a stupid claim to think Chappa and Chi chi can't shoot ki blats? I mean they could learn how, but they don't know any techniques that shoot ki. Back in the old dragon ball there was no regular ki blast characters used. There was just the kamehameha, dodon pa, tri beam, and spirit ball. Only Piccolo just shot ki blasts. So show me anybody just using ki blasts besides those moves I mentioned. Or show me a budokai contestant using a ki attack that didn't go to the turtle or crane school.

It''s a stupid claim because you said they were weak because they were never shown using ki blasts. It's like saying Videl after learning to control ki is stronger than Goten before training with Gohan because she knows bukujutsu while he didn't.

That in itself is a fallacy.

Goku was severely holding back on chi chi.

At any rate, that Goku is way more powerful than when he fought Roshi so he wouldn't be able to match his jump mid-action at all or would he be able to force him into the air to begin with.

No, I meant she was a joke compered to the actual people who had a chance of winning. She would beat most if not all non turlte/crane school competitors.

That's exactly what I mean. I'd understand if it's just Goku, Piccolo, Kami, and Tien you're talking about but otherwise... that's certainly not the case.

Tien was actually serious against Tao though, while Goku was barely fighting back. And Tao actually landed a blade attack on Tien.

Tien only got serious when Tao pulled out a blade from outta nowhere. Before that Tien effortlessly dodged all of Tao's attacks and was treating him like a child. Even after he got serious he bounced off Tao's strongest attack with a simple Kiai and knocked him the fuck out with one punch.

Heck, Tao himself was more serious in his fight than Chi-Chi was.

But she did get in because she was lucky. If she bumped into anyone that made it in, or even Yajirobe, and maybe Chiatzu, she wouldn't of made it in.

In that case Krillin, Yamcha, and Tao got in because they were lucky to not fight any of the top 4 or anyone of note (aside from Chiaotzu's weak-ass). Also, you said she only got in because of luck and not to show she was strong is obviously you downplaying.

I don't think Yajirobe would beat her (though that's debatable), but definitely not Chiaotzu.

Maybe she would miss one. All she said was that she should end it. She never said she could lose. Maybe she could of, but that is up for interpretation.

Doubt it, and it's hardly up for interpretation she'd get creamed when Trunks was holding his own against her in base form... even more so than Vegeta did. Not to mention Trunks held back a great deal with the ki blast but it was still enough to spook her with it's sheer power.

Goku never said that. He just casually beat Chappa.

He did in your very scan...

Because it all happened in one instant. It's not like there was a panel of Roshi's face in between the mouth blast and Chappa's defeat. Both the mouth blast and Chappa's defeat happened back to back, and then Roshi's face was shown after both, but then he mentioned the shock of the mouth blast. He didn't say "I can't believe he defeated Chappa so easily". That would change things.

Except Chun was shown reacting with a shocked onomatopoeia right after Goku defeats Chappa and it doesn't even make sense the mouth blast would shock him but not Yamcha. He clearly didn't expect Goku to win so easily even if he doesn't mention it.

You want to go by something where it isn't even certain Roshi is surprised Goku beat Tao, but you don't want to go by where Roshi litterally says he is surprised Goku beat Tao?

It's only uncertain to you because you're biased, and Roshi most likely referring to the far weaker Goku from 3 years ago. It has to be more of a nod to Goku's level of skill rather than power because it doesn't make sense to hold Tao's power with such high regard.

I'm just going by what the story shows. You're just twisting things to fit your own narrative.

No, because nobody thought Goku would lose. They all knew Goku would of probably won. And they seemed to be going more of Chappa's reputation.

Yamcha literally said Goku have to be lucky in order to win and Chun said it would be an uphill battle for Goku. They weren't just going by rep because they all saw his movement and still couldn't believe Goku won so easily. They didn't really overestimate Chappa, they underestimated Goku.

If anything, Tao is overrated because of his rep which was even shown within the story.

No, if you go by the story Tao is most likely stronger. Like I said it is the same thing comparing someone like Yakkon to Frieza. Yakkon by statements may sound stronger, but he isn't.

No... it's just in your (rather biased) opinion. Both scenarios just aren't totally clear... just like the Cell vs. Dabura subject... only less ambiguous.

Who took a kamehameha that was less than half power?

Old Daimao. Anyways, 22nd Goku is more than 2x stronger than when he beat Tao.

[Zamasu55]

Lavender vs Super Perfect Cell

Lavenda is weaker than Base Gohan, but managed to put up a good fight by weakening him with poison. I think he could do that with Cell too, unless the latter is immune to it (and I don't think he is).
Still, he can't win.

1. Basil vs Lavenda
2. Transformed Basil vs Lavenda
3. Piccolo vs Basil

1 and 2. Basil is the youngest member of the Trio, thus the weakest.
3. If this is base Basil... draw. I have them both at Perfect Cell's tier. Transformed Basil, on the other hand, wins rather easily.

[Hugo Boss]

Lavender vs Super Perfect Cell

If Gohan managed to defeat Lavender, I think Cell would probably do it too. It is implied current Gohan is weaker than SS2 Kid Gohan and Cell was about as strong as Kid Gohan.

1. Basil vs Lavenda
2. Transformed Basil vs Lavenda
3. Piccolo vs Basil

Basil is probably faster and stronger than Lavender, but Lavender is more dangerous. His poison breath can ruin Basil's body.

If somehow the drug Basil uses can override the effects of Lavender's poison, so he easily takes this.

If Piccolo uses the same tricks he used against Frost, he may have a chance of winning. Otherwise, I think he gets stomped.

[pacz360]

Lavender vs Super Perfect Cell

If Gohan managed to defeat Lavender, I think Cell would probably do it too. It is implied current Gohan is weaker than SS2 Kid Gohan and Cell was about as strong as Kid Gohan.
When was it implied current gohan is weaker than his kid self?

[Ki Breaker]

Who's the strongest opponent wonder woman could beat in db universe

[DBZAOTA482]

Who's the strongest opponent wonder woman could beat in db universe

Probably SSJ3 Goku

[TheUltimateNinja]

Dangai Ichigo vs 23rd Budokai Goku

[TheUltimateNinja]

Base Gohan vs SSJ Trunks and SSJ Vegeta (Cell Games)

[dragon boss z]

It''s a stupid claim because you said they were weak because they were never shown using ki blasts. It's like saying Videl after learning to control ki is stronger than Goten before training with Gohan because she knows bukujutsu while he didn't.

That in itself is a fallacy.

I never said they were weak because they didn't know ki blasts. Or at least I don't remember saying that. I just meant they can't shoot ki blats. Magetta is extremely strong, but he can't shoot ki blasts either. Same goes with android 16.

At any rate, that Goku is way more powerful than when he fought Roshi so he wouldn't be able to match his jump mid-action at all or would he be able to force him into the air to begin with.

You can't just say that. You don't know how much power Goku was using. That's like saying SSG Goku is more powerful than SSR Goku Black because it looked like he was pushing Beerus. Beerus was holding back on Goku, and Goku was holding back on Chi chi. You can't really use that as a feat.

That's exactly what I mean. I'd understand if it's just Goku, Piccolo, Kami, and Tien you're talking about but otherwise... that's certainly not the case.

I might include Krillin and Yamcha. Especially Krillin since he actually pushed Piccolo back and landed some strikes, something Chi chi couldn't do to Goku, and Piccolo had even less reason to hold back since he didn't care about hurting Krillin.

Tien only got serious when Tao pulled out a blade from outta nowhere. Before that Tien effortlessly dodged all of Tao's attacks and was treating him like a child. Even after he got serious he bounced off Tao's strongest attack with a simple Kiai and knocked him the fuck out with one punch.

Heck, Tao himself was more serious in his fight than Chi-Chi was.

True. But like I said, Tao is one of the people I wouldn't say outclasses Chi chi.

In that case Krillin, Yamcha, and Tao got in because they were lucky to not fight any of the top 4 or anyone of note (aside from Chiaotzu's weak-ass). Also, you said she only got in because of luck and not to show she was strong is obviously you downplaying.

But you said she was strong for making it to the finals. I just pointed out she only fought fodder to get there. I never said she was weak because of that. I was just saying your reasoning for her being strong was wrong. Beating the fodder proved she was above the other fodder. What better proves how strong she is was her fight against Goku and character statements.

I don't think Yajirobe would beat her (though that's debatable), but definitely not Chiaotzu.

Yajirobe would be physically stronger, but she might be skilled enough to beat him. And Chiaotzu is probably physically weaker, but he does have his physic powers and his dodon ray. Plus he can fly.

Doubt it, and it's hardly up for interpretation she'd get creamed when Trunks was holding his own against her in base form... even more so than Vegeta did. Not to mention Trunks held back a great deal with the ki blast but it was still enough to spook her with it's sheer power.

She was massively holding back when fighting their base forms. She even thought they were humans. And Beerus was completely shocked when he heard someone beat Frieza, does that mean Frieza is near Beerus in power?

He did in your very scan...

I meant Goku never said he was holding back to test Chappa's skills. He just said he held back so he wouldn't' die. I'm saying you made up the holding back part to analyze him, not the part where he said if he was serious he would kill Chappa.

Except Chun was shown reacting with a shocked onomatopoeia right after Goku defeats Chappa and it doesn't even make sense the mouth blast would shock him but not Yamcha. He clearly didn't expect Goku to win so easily even if he doesn't mention it.

Yamcha was surprised Goku won easy, Roshi specifically stated why he was surprised. Saying anything else is just guessing. And 22nd Goku while massively holding back could very well be weaker than full power Goku fighting Tao.

It's only uncertain to you because you're biased, and Roshi most likely referring to the far weaker Goku from 3 years ago. It has to be more of a nod to Goku's level of skill rather than power because it doesn't make sense to hold Tao's power with such high regard.

Um not, you are the one who is clearly bias when you are twisting the words and events in the manga. Roshi literally said he couldn't believe Goku beat Tao. Roshi never said he was surprised Goku beat Chappa. You can interpret Roshi being surprised at Goku beating Chappa, but that still doesn't change the fact that Roshi was also surprised he beat Tao, and you try to twist the words of what he literally said and are calling me bias? And it doesn't make sense to hold Tao's power in such high regard because you are downplaying him. He is most likely close to Tsuru in strength.

I'm just going by what the story shows. You're just twisting things to fit your own narrative.

It's literally the exact opposite. There is a statement saying Roshi can't believe Goku beat Tao. There isn't a statement saying he is surprised he beat Chappa, but there is one saying he is surprised he could slow himself with a mouth blast...

Yamcha literally said Goku have to be lucky in order to win and Chun said it would be an uphill battle for Goku. They weren't just going by rep because they all saw his movement and still couldn't believe Goku won so easily. They didn't really overestimate Chappa, they underestimated Goku.

1. That's Yamcha who couldn't even see Goku's full power before and had no idea how strong baba arc Goku actually was.

2. He still thought Goku could probably win.

If anything, Tao is overrated because of his rep which was even shown within the story.

The one with the actual feats is overrated? The one who was clearly treated as more of a threat in the 23rd? And I know Tao got stronger, but so did Chappa.

No... it's just in your (rather biased) opinion. Both scenarios just aren't totally clear... just like the Cell vs. Dabura subject... only less ambiguous.

I could agree with it being subjective, but you aren't saying it's subjective...

Old Daimao. Anyways, 22nd Goku is more than 2x stronger than when he beat Tao.

There is no proof 22nd Goku is more than 2x stronger than he was when he beat Tao. (I think I got confused and said 23rd before)

imo going off the guides and statements it would be something like this

Tao: 110-120
Goku (post Korin): 120-140
Goku 22nd: 180
Goku vs KP: 260
Goku 23rd: 300-350

[dragon boss z]

Dangai Ichigo vs 23rd Budokai Goku

Probably Dangai Ichigo. They should be comparable in power, but Ichigo has the physical strength advantage and has a sword, which seam to work well on dragon ball characters.

Base Gohan vs SSJ Trunks and SSJ Vegeta (Cell Games)

What version of Gohan? If it's current Gohan it depends if he still has some mystic power left in him.

[Gog]

Captain Ginyu (kaio ken) runs the Ultimate Namek Guantlet Of Power.

Rules: Due to Captain Ginyu being apart of the Ginyu Special Forces has rendered the immense strain of Kaio Ken to a level nowhere near that of Son Goku.

Round 1 Captain Ginyu Kaio ken times 5 V First form Freeza.

Round 2 Captain Ginyu Kaio ken times 10 V Second form Freeza

Round 3 Captain Ginyu Kaio ken times 30 V Third form Freeza

Round 4 Captain Ginyu Kaio ken times 180 V Kaio ken times 20 Son Goku

Round 5 Captain Ginyu Kaio ken times 300 V Finial form Freeza and Super Saiyan Son Goku

Does he make it?

Special round

Captain Ginyu Kaio ken times 3000 V Captain Ginyu Kaio ken times 3000

[Hugo Boss]

Lavender vs Super Perfect Cell

If Gohan managed to defeat Lavender, I think Cell would probably do it too. It is implied current Gohan is weaker than SS2 Kid Gohan and Cell was about as strong as Kid Gohan.

When was it implied current gohan is weaker than his kid self?

I mean, when Future Trunks met him, Gohan was much different from when he fought Cell, after leaving his fighting life.