Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[VegettoEX]

No one in GT was stronger than Boo except Rilld, Baby, Super 17, and Yi Xing Long.

That's a pretty good batch right there in terms of a sample size compared to the amount of space they explored. I think you're arguing against yourself, here. Very good possibilities of even stronger beings hanging out there in the far reaches of space.

[Nex Carnifex]

In GT the concept was there were people 300000 times stronger than Buu just layin around the solar system, which imo was stupid, this would make that concept even more ridiculous.

You obviously weren't watching GT. No one in GT was stronger than Boo except Rilld, Baby, Super 17, and Yi Xing Long. Rilld, and by extention Baby, and 17 could all be easily explained as being stronger than Boo because Dragon Ball has made it clear that no matter how strong you are, someone stronger out there can exist through the power of science (Androids being stronger than Freeza? Exactly).

Not only was Baby a big bad, he could infect people and get stronger through all the people he infected. He infected all of planet Earth and a horrifying majority of its Saiyan population. Plus he infected Vegeta.

Super 17 was also a big bad, and happened to be created by two of the greatest scientific minds that have ever lived.

Yi Xing Long the strongest manifestation of a dragon god. 'Nuff said.

Actually even Ledgic was way stronger than Boo if you took any time to think about it, the stupid random bodyguard guy. He was matching Goku's base form, which is later shown to be above Rilld's Base form, which was stated to be stronger than Majin Buu.

[goku the krump dancer]

Could it be possible that the rift in the balance of the universe that woke Bils up in the first place was caused by the wishes granted by Polunga in the Boo saga?

Remember right before the fight with Kid Boo Rou Kaioshin disapproves the use of the Dragon Balls saying they could rupture the order of balance in the universe. He was even shocked to find out that there were Dragon Balls on earth. We know by that point in the story the Earth's DBs have been used I think 8 times before so if any Universal imbalance were to occur then it surely would've happened by then. The Namekian Dragon Balls are hinted at being the "original" set, which is why they were initially more powerful than the ones on earth. Now If you take into account that they were given even more power by the new Grand Elder of Namek and that the wishes granted by Polunga in the Boo saga are the biggest wishes made in the entire series ( GT included ) then its no wonder it would shift the order of balance in the universe . Polunga restored an entire planet and its whole population in addition to picking out the really evil people, thats a pretty big wish heck, the dragon even said so himself.

Since we're disregarding GT, the whole shadow dragon thing is non existent sorta even though they were created by exhausting the Earth's Dragon Balls not a rift in the universal balance.

It is odd that Freeza is still the measuring stick for power but Assuming that Bils knows about Boo I guess he thought that once Boo was sealed no none would ever be strong enough play a part in reviving him (after Bibidi's demise) until Freeza came along but even then his power isn't enough to resurrect Boo, So I guess Bils considered the pink bastard to no longer be a factor and Freeza was too far beneath himself too be taken seriously.

[Ryuman]

Yeah I think instead of having them punch him around for hours just to obliterate him with a super attack, I think he should just be defeated in combat, and give up, and leave.

Actually, now that I think about it, wouldn't it be really bad if they killed a God who supposedly brings balance? Maybe he just gets put back to sleep, or as you say, takes his defeat in stride and just leaves. I'm now really interested in hearing more about Bils' motivations.

[JulieYBM]

Has anyone thought to check for new Dragon Ball copyrights being made for this movie (or in general?) right now fans are checking for those sort of things in regards to the new Super Sentai, so I figured something similar could be done for this movie to see what might be down the road.

[NeoKING]

No one in GT was stronger than Boo except Rilld, Baby, Super 17, and Yi Xing Long.

That's a pretty good batch right there in terms of a sample size compared to the amount of space they explored. I think you're arguing against yourself, here. Very good possibilities of even stronger beings hanging out there in the far reaches of space.

What I mean to say was, and I think you realize this, was that no one in GT was stronger than Boo other than the guys who were supposed to be. Not every enemy the ran in to. Zoonama wasn't stronger than Boo. Luud was baby food. Muchi-Muchi was trash. Redict/Lezick was pretty decent, but nowhere near Boo's level.

Actually even Ledgic was way stronger than Boo if you took any time to think about it,

Stop. He couldn't even beat SSJ Goku, the same SSJ Goku who was getting worked by Rilld. How can he be stronger than Boo? He's probably like, Dabura's match or something.

He was matching Goku's base form, which is later shown to be above Rilld's Base form, which was stated to be stronger than Majin Buu.

Goku's base form isn't greater than Rilld's base form. Goku transformed before Rilld did. Not to mention the fact that even then, Rilld was still pulling his punches. Both of them were, for the thrill of the fight.

[VegettoEX]

OK, but by that logic, the creators can make any new villain stronger than the previous because that is then was is "meant to be".

Of course space isn't FILLED with them, but... err... so what are we trying to argue / come to a consensus on here?

I'm saying that it shouldn't be an issue to have yet another being out there way stronger than anyone else. That has plenty of precedent in the series, and even more precedent in the standard formula that the series is based upon.

[NeoKING]

OK, but by that logic, the creators can make any new villain stronger than the previous because that is then was is "meant to be".

There's obviously a big bad in every arc, is what I'm telling you. It's obvious who is supposed to be super ultra mega strong and who is supposed to be cannon fodder. The big bads were obviously going to be stronger than Boo.

[Blade]

I feel like I already posted my response to this stem of the debate before it even happened:

I have no problem with the fact that Birisu is stronger than Majin Buu and, supposedly, Goku. I mean, to those who say that it's not "believable" I think it's rather absurd that out of everything in the world of Dragonball Z with its 7 magic balls, golden haired transformations and flying cats that you take issue with the strength of an opponent.

The problem with this movie and for that matter any continuation of the Dragonball Z storyline is that as the series has progressed the opponents have been stronger and stronger, meaning that Goku has become stronger and stronger with each passing saga in order to defeat them. This endless snowballing of power levels is perhaps one of the reasons why Dragonball GT tried, and rather failed actually, at bringing Goku down to size.

The fans of the show want a spectacle, the audience wants a big battle where everyone gets the snot kicked out of them and all hope is lost only for Goku to save the day against the odds. It's the tried and tested formula, and the fact that the movie is set after the Majin Buu saga means that whatever opponent Goku has to fight will need to be incredibly powerful.

I think the fact that they have chosen to make the opponent a 'God' is probably the most credible decision they could have made.

[Toonami97]

Can we PLEASE not talk about GT.

I'm still trying to pretend that garbage never happened

[NeoKING]

I don't care if he isn't stronger than Boo. He could be as strong as Freeza for all I care. I don't really wanna see too much hyperaction SSJ3 giant Ki blasts or whatever. I prefer the simplicity of the Saiyan / Freeza arcs / Movies 1-3 anyhow.

So assuming that these guys' names are based on "Virus" - pretty weird even for DB right? Usually the puns are based on ... food, or something, right?

Burisu - Vyras
Uisu - Vris

Good approximations if you ask me.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Can we PLEASE not talk about GT.

I'm still trying to pretend that garbage never happened

If you don't like it, stay out of the discussion about it. It's a valid topic for those of us who do.

My two cents, I don't have a problem with the drastically increasing strengths of villains. Our universe is HUGE, and we're still discovering new, surprising species on just our tiny little planet. I can just imagine what it would be like out there in DB's universe. It's not like every Tom, Dick and Harry they run into is stronger than everyone that came before, usually just a big bad and maybe a henchmen or two. So, what's wrong with a small handful of new character's upping the ante when you consider how expansive and full of life the DB-verse is?

[Hellspawn28]

So much GT talk in this thread. I'm surprise some people are worry about GT when most people hated it. I guess times has changed? I remember forums in the past decade had very few people liking GT.

[Herms]

Could it be possible that the rift in the balance of the universe that woke Bils up in the first place was caused by the wishes granted by Polunga in the Boo saga?

Nothing has been mentioned about a "rift in the balance of the universe" awakening Bils.

Wait, how does Bils even know about Freeza if he was sleeping for a long period of time?

The website plot description says he hears "rumors" after waking up.

[Nex Carnifex]

No one in GT was stronger than Boo except Rilld, Baby, Super 17, and Yi Xing Long.

That's a pretty good batch right there in terms of a sample size compared to the amount of space they explored. I think you're arguing against yourself, here. Very good possibilities of even stronger beings hanging out there in the far reaches of space.

What I mean to say was, and I think you realize this, was that no one in GT was stronger than Boo other than the guys who were supposed to be. Not every enemy the ran in to. Zoonama wasn't stronger than Boo. Luud was baby food. Muchi-Muchi was trash. Redict/Lezick was pretty decent, but nowhere near Boo's level.

Actually even Ledgic was way stronger than Boo if you took any time to think about it,

Stop. He couldn't even beat SSJ Goku, the same SSJ Goku who was getting worked by Rilld. How can he be stronger than Boo? He's probably like, Dabura's match or something.

He was matching Goku's base form, which is later shown to be above Rilld's Base form, which was stated to be stronger than Majin Buu.

Goku's base form isn't greater than Rilld's base form. Goku transformed before Rilld did. Not to mention the fact that even then, Rilld was still pulling his punches. Both of them were, for the thrill of the fight.

Base Goku fared much better against Rilld than Ledgic. There are more problems in GT though, another one I will point out is that the characters forget how fast they are at many points like one time a car was getting away with their spaceship and they were like WTF DO WE DO NOW. Uh, didn't Gotenks circle the world like 7 times within just an hour?

[goku the krump dancer]

Could it be possible that the rift in the balance of the universe that woke Bils up in the first place was caused by the wishes granted by Polunga in the Boo saga?

Nothing has been mentioned about a "rift in the balance of the universe" awakening Bils.

Oh ok maybe I misread something.. Coulda swore I read that he woke up because of some imbalance in the universe idk (its the week of finals forgive me lol...

[VegettoEX]

It's an embellishment on what's actually said in the recent plot leak:

The story takes place several years after the titanic battle with Majin Buu, that determined the fate of the entire universe. Bils, the God of Destruction who maintains the balance of the universe, awakens from a long slumber!

Bold added for emphasis. There's nothing there about the balance being BROKEN, just that Bils heard about Goku taking on Freeza and is interested in checking him out.

If there is some other site out there misreporting that, well... that's why you only read stuff here on Kanzenshuu...!

[Hellspawn28]

Bils might be end up being the strongest Dragon Ball character to date (At least Manga-wise). I just hope that he does not have a lame death scene.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Base Goku fared much better against Rilld than Ledgic. There are more problems in GT though, another one I will point out is that the characters forget how fast they are at many points like one time a car was getting away with their spaceship and they were like WTF DO WE DO NOW. Uh, didn't Gotenks circle the world like 7 times within just an hour?

You are not even trying anymore, are you?

Both Goku and Rild were playing around. There's no way he can win in his base form against him.

The reason Goku and Trunks didn't chase them to get back their spaceship was because they didn't want to cause anymore problems and had to sneak in. They only came to get a Dragonball.

[VegettoEX]

Let's not be rude, please. Not called for.