Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[p123]

Yea that's definitley going to be a hard sell Kaboom. You are a strict 50x boost guy , I have made a couple of lists using the hard 50 mentality, and it's definitley not totally impossible.

Your fusion theory needs major work. Unfortunately , your logic probably will never allow you to make a true correlating list , this is needed to make a working fusion formula I learned over my experiences.

Also, I have to question how the numbers are apparently so low. You seriously have MSSJ below a billion? I find that ridicolous. Being rude here I know, but that's simply not possible.

I would like to go over some of the flaws you have could you display your entire list?

I don't mind to go through it and using your theories making it correlate. I have done over 100 power level lists, so I am very familiar with all different theories and have tried them out numerically. Which is why I am offering to help. I'm sure you think I'm a straight up jerk off for suggesting I , lowly newbie p123 , could help the high and mighty Kaboom, mod to the great Daiz, but at the end of the day, I know pl lists, I know what I'm doing. Even if you don't want me to , just display in it's entirety let me work with it for a second and then just see what I got.


What are your theories?


50x / 2x/ 4x


I think you would like to stick with a 4x multiplier for SSJ3, but you can't because of your numbers for some apparent reason. But I will try to make it work, also I have always wanted to make an SEG list.


Do you use Ax B?

[Rocketman]

You seriously have MSSJ below a billion? I find that ridicolous. Being rude here I know, but that's simply not possible.

How so? I didn't even have them above 200,000,000 in my list back here, and I didn't contradict anything AFAIK.

[Kaboom]

Your fusion theory needs major work.

As you may have noticed, I've determined I have no need for a "Fusion theory" anymore. The only universally-mentioned "requirement" in that department is that the fused being is much stronger than merely the sum of his parts, which I've adhered to.

You seriously have MSSJ below a billion?

I didn't realize there was a bare minimum.

Super Saiyan is just a rough power-multiplier, thus the end result depends entirely on the starting point. What if someone with a base power of only 100 got themselves accustomed to the transformation and became capable of Full-Power Super Saiyan? Would that automatically give their transformed state a huge jump up to 1,000,000,000 for that reason alone?

I would like to go over some of the flaws you have could you display your entire list?

"Flaws?" That's not really how this thread rolls. We're in the FanWorks sub-forum. This is about expression and creativity more than anything else, so please keep that in mind.

And the prior parts of my list were what I posted when I started this thread. If you'd like to read them over on the first page, feel free.

But at the end of the day, I know pl lists, I know what I'm doing.

So do I, mi amigo. I rolled with the best of them on MFG.

What are your theories?

"Moderation in all things."

I think you would like to stick with a 4x multiplier for SSJ3, but you can't because of your numbers for some apparent reason.

No, I prefer not to use it because it's a much bigger boost than the story implies it to be. The gap between the SSj2s, Fat Boo, and Goku would become unreasonably large, much more so than it was portrayed in the manga. Also, 400x is too close for comfort to SSj4's super-obvious 500x, like I mentioned. All in all, I've found 200x meshes best with the story.

Do you use A x B?

Not at all.

The "GOKU X VEGETA?!" thing in the SEG was merely flash-and-dazzle, illustrating the "Potara works like multiplication" point, and not necessarily meant to be taken literally. Plus like I've mentioned, I'm going to stop trying to make up strict "Fusion multipliers" altogether, since there's no actual basis for them other than "stronger than the sum of the parts."

[p123]

Well you know that I disagree that fusion theory being non existent. IMO it's just the creator not being able to fulfill it's requirements. There are 4 or 5 fusions and it is important to find a system that matches them to their suggested powers. So IMO I can never agree with you on complete randomness, so I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you here.


There is a bare minimum. Spacing of said characters is a must.
And of course, base/SSJ are tied together, if SSJ goes up drastically then of course base goes up as well. It's still the same person .


Yes it's about creativity, but it's about creativity in between the suggested range. When people start using 12 mil /15 mil are they being creative? Sure, but they are wrong. Creativity lies once you get past the factual stuff. For instance their is a general range from 100-200, now your creativity comes out here in determining where the fighter fits in between this range.



What's your opinion on Kurori?




Moderation, IMO is trying to keep the numbers as low as possible is it not?


We agree on the AxB at least.

[Kaboom]

Well you know that I disagree that fusion theory being non existent. IMO it's just the creator not being able to fulfill it's requirements.

None of the guidebooks nor the manga itself have seen any need to come up with a "Fusion Multiplier," so I don't see the need for me to do so either. Probably for the same reasons.

"Stronger than the sum of the parts" is the only repeatedly-mentioned requirement, so that's what I'll stick to.

There are 4 or 5 fusions and it is important to find a system that matches them to their suggested powers.

I sincerely doubt it's as "important" as you imply it is.

There is a bare minimum. Spacing of said characters is a must.

Go read my Cell-arc levels if you want. Everything matches up just fine. The Androids compared to the heroes, Cell compared to the heroes, FPSSj Goku compared to Vegeta, Gohan compared to Cell, etc... everything fits, with "space" to spare, and the highest levels in there barely breech 2 billion.

Yes it's about creativity, but it's about creativity in between the suggested range. When people start using 12 mil /15 mil are they being creative? Sure, but they are wrong. Creativity lies once you get past the factual stuff. For instance their is a general range from 100-200, now your creativity comes out here in determining where the fighter fits in between this range.

The 15 and 12 million levels are inherently wrong because actual numerical battle powers were still being used at that point in the story, and the numbers listed and demonstrated do not allow for them.

But after Trunks' BP of 5, there is no "right" or "wrong" for power levels, because there are no longer any official ones to adhere to. Yes, there are matters of properly comparing one character to the other, and obviously doing something like listing Yamcha as stronger than Buff Boo would be stupid. But 95% of everything involved is up to interpretation. Including the aforementioned "ranges."

I put this thread in the fanworks section for a reason. Because as far as this forum is concerned, any numerical power levels beyond Trunks' 5 are entirely made-up by fans. Hence their creation in this thread and on this forum in general is dealt with as more of an artistic expression or tossing around theories than any strict form of "factual research." Thus there is no "right and wrong" when it comes to this.

Posting in this thread, whether with lists of your own or mere feedback, requires the understanding of this.

What's your opinion on Kurori?

I don't know what that is.

Moderation, IMO is trying to keep the numbers as low as possible is it not?

No, it's more about not blowing things out of proportion.

I'll put something high if it needs to be. I mean, just look at my list. Ultimate Gohan is at 15 billion, more than 6x stronger than his prior maximum, because that's what the story required. I'm not going to try to cheat things around and have him at, like, 9 billion, just because I don't like him being any higher than that.

But on the flipside, is there any strict reason to, say for example, put Android 17 at 600 million when him being around 300 million instead works just as well, if not better? No, there isn't. So I don't. Simple as that.

[Senzu_Bean]

Your using fake VJUMP levels as the entire basis for your number set. Meanwhile you have a much better set of percentiles than that. You can have a very good mathematic list but choose to go the Fake VJump fandmade power level/ Daiz route.

Neither V-Jump nor Daizenshuu battle powers are fake.

I honestly don't understand why you talk about battle powers as if there is any logic behind them or, if there is one, you mastered that logic when everybody else didn't, Dragonball crew included. Stop it! Yours list is as valid as everybody else lists cause besides officially battle powers everything as the same validity.

[dbgtFO]

@p123
Senzu_Bean and Kaboom are right.
This thread is dedicated to fanon power levels and since none of us work with Toriyama's staff or something like that our theories cannot be accepted, as more than just that.. Fan Theories!

If we only go by manga and take all statements from it, Rocketman's list is basically just as correct, as mine, since Freeza never states, how strong his True Form is compared to the other forms, only that it's stronger, which Vegeta also notes.

The only thing I would ever consider "wrong" about V Jump and Daizenshuu 7's Battle Powers is that they ignore Goku actually being OVER 8000 and only give him 8000 and of course Nappa being at 4000, which in my opinon simply doesn't fit the story, when you take a look at his background...but I don't want to start that discussion again, since I'm pretty much done with it. Oh yeah Kami being at 220(when he overpowers Goku at 260) and Piccolo being so close to Nappa's BP(3500 vs. 4000) are also highly unlikely.

[Kaboom]

The only thing I would ever consider "wrong" about V Jump and Daizenshuu 7's Battle Powers is that they ignore Goku actually being OVER 8000 and only give him 8000

Even that could just be chalked up to simply rounding, which would be most practical once you hit the higher 4-digit numbers. I'm obviously rounding in my list, too. For Gotenks-Boo and Gohan-Boo I just added Boo and Gotenks/Gohan together, without worrying about Piccolo or the boys individually, because their power is negligible in comparison to Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks or Ultimate Gohan.

[Herms]

Also, 400x is too close for comfort to SSj4's super-obvious 500x, like I mentioned.

Why should GT factor into it at all though? The SEGs are manga guide books; obviously they weren't taking GT into consideration.

The only thing I would ever consider "wrong" about V Jump and Daizenshuu 7's Battle Powers is that they ignore Goku actually being OVER 8000 and only give him 8000

Like Kaboom said, I'd assume that's just a case of rounding down for convenience's sake. If Goku were some significant amount over 8,000 (like 8,500 or something) it would make sense for Vegeta to say something a little more exact. Heck, Vegeta even described Gohan's Masenko as "over 2,800", and here the "over" part almost has to be much less than a hundred (if Vegeta's going to bother being exact enough to say that instead of just 'close to 3,000' or something, he'd probably mention if it were 2,900 or close). Goku's exact BP was probably 8,012 or something like that.

[Kaboom]

Why should GT factor into it at all though?

Just because I like it that way, I suppose. GT may not make a whole lotta sense, but I try to make what I can of it.

[p123]

You guys misunderstand what I said. I was speaking directly to Uzuni I said

I meant to say don't use the Daiz and the Fake VJUmp numbers so literally.

As you well know, Uzuni posted a fake VJump power level list, didn't mean for the Daiz to be included in the fake part of it.

I personally use the Daiz and all sources as a guide, I have no problems with them, I just don't believe in using them so strictly and adapting logic to fit them. I think they show the basic range and generally have to adjust . I feel the percentile system is an integral part of having a correlating system.


Yes, but I think a set of logical standards should apply to all. I understand you guys disagree, but if you use a common sense approach to things, as in a theory that is superior to another, it is the best way.


For instance with Imperfect / Semi Cell


Generally the regular standard of the change most would start as a general Imperfect x 2 = Semi.

That's fine and dandy, but lookie here.

Imperfect Cell + 17 = Initial Semi Cell

Is right there, and is nearly double .


Now as you can see, the second option has a hell of a lot more oomph on it, as opposed as to just a throw a random number in boost.


That's pretty much all I do. If we all have correlating ideas, our power levels become drastically more efficient. Now, a lot of people enjoy the throw anything against the wall approach, but in the end, it's not the way to go.

All theoriest of any sort , generally follow the same rule. The person with the best theory , gets the win. Until something better comes along, that theory should be the standard. The laws of gravity are actually just theories, but they are so damn good, why argue against them?

It's just simple common sense approach towards power levels shared with all theoriest.


Now could you come in and say Semi Cell is 5x stronger than Imperfect Cell? Sure, but even the most stubborn, would realize that there is nothing tied to it other than randomness.


So I'm just about creating correlating list, and using formulas and theories and making everything correlate in a common sense approach. Some will debate this approach just to debate, but at the end of the day it's simply the right way to go.

Systems/Formulas/Theories route is superior to randomness is it not?

Why all the hate for a superior system? Because at the end of the day they are fake? At the end of the day every theory is fake, so I don't see how this differs from how any scientist operates.

[Rocketman]

Imperfect Cell + 17 = Initial Semi Cell

17 doesn't have battle power.

[p123]

He has strength though, which equals Kamiccolo. But your nitpicking over here I see that.


Hey this is my system, I believe the best way to do power levels is to take away as many assumptions as possible. Make assumptions in general and rules to follow in an attempt to take the random out of randomness.
Here is what I go by....All rules are the standard, and yes surely there should be an exception or two, but stick to these things...



1) Percentile System - One must have a basic system in which differing percentiles are shown and suggested how they relate and determine what kind of battle would happen. Skill/Tactics/Toying/Distraction Etc all still play a part. But the system is the first and foremost thing, small adjustments to be made that reflect the inhibitors of showing that exact percentile fight.


2) Character statements are to be taken seriously. Especially regarding anything to do with power. If a fighter is confident, ask yourself how could he be confident? Why is he confident? Could he be confident if he weaker/stronger than this fighter? Is this confident fighter aware of other's power ? Does anyone comment on this fighter's power? What do you they say?
No baseless assumptions, no well I think he was lieing. Unless he is shown to be lieing, then he is not. The characters are tools of AT. If Bulma/18 are suggested to be able to sense ki and it's not contradicted, they in fact sense ki for whatever reason. Don't try to explain away the implication, try to explain why the implication is there and how it ended up being that way.


3) Always assume full power, AT will let you know if the fighter is suppressed or not. Just trust him, he does it everytime. If a fighter never powers up, and is never suggested to be any stronger, and is in a full out battle, that was that fighters true power. This works. Just trust in AT to show you.


4) Varying boosts is silly. AT does not sit there with a freaking calculator. If two fighters are shown in the same form and one fighter is superior, when they transform the fighter that was superior before is still superior and by the same amount. He's not calculating varying boost for different characters it's never suggested.

5) Take a common sense approach. If we see fighter B beat down fighter A in dominating fashion, and then Fighter C beat down Fighter B is similar fashion then use this chart for your baseline. Then on top of that, add in the other factors and how they relate. For example.

Fighter C 4
Fighter B 2
Fighter A 1

If there's nothing to suggest anything else, start with this as your hard line stance. Then making adjustments off of that.


What do you guys think?

[dbgtFO]

Heck, Vegeta even described Gohan's Masenko as "over 2,800", and here the "over" part almost has to be much less than a hundred (if Vegeta's going to bother being exact enough to say that instead of just 'close to 3,000' or something, he'd probably mention if it were 2,900 or close).

But isn't this translation wrong then?
Vegeta: "Battle power 2,800...!!! So they really do drastically change their battle powers!!!" as found on Kanzentai...

[p123]

DB

What do you think about a 40x SSJ boost? I mean 50% Freeza ~ KKx20 Goku and 100% Freeza ~ SSJ Goku, that would be logical wouldn't it? I'm pretty sure AT confirmed the 50x boost , but still instory there wouldn't be much to debate that now would there?




Kabooms Power level list looked at.....


Son Goku - 3,150,000
Super Saiyan - 158,000,000


ANDROIDS

Son Goku - 4,250,000
Super Saiyan - 215,000,000
Sick - 175,000,000
Drained - 25,000,000


Son Gohan - 2,500,000
Kuririn - 90,000
Yamcha - 45,000
Tenshinhan - 65,000

Kuririn was stated to have been a help against 530k Freeza over 4 years ago. He went under 3 years of training through hell. And he's still only 90k? Tien is able to effect Semi Cell, nothing implies Freeza could, obviously the Shin Kikoho is a stupid multiplier, but that ridicolous? When did Kuririn > Tien ever happen? Kuririn got a continous powerup but Tien was in OtherWorld training for a long time. Nothing suggest Tien was surpassed by Kuririn.



Vegeta - 4,450,000
Super Saiyan - 222,000,000
Drained - 175,000,000
After Big Bang Attack - 80,000,000


Android 19 - 20,000,000
+ Goku's Ki - 66,000,000
+ Vegeta's Ki - 115,000,000

You have Initial 19 at 11% of Sick Goku. Sick Goku states that he is going all out to finish this quick. How could a guy 11% of someone survive so many punches and kicks from a completey superior fighter.


Android 20 (Dr. Gero) - 75,000,000
+ Vegeta's attack - 95,000,000
+ Piccolo's ki - 105,000,000


Piccolo (suppressed) - 10,000,000
True power - 135,000,000

Piccolo is not lacking in confidence going in against the Androids. Three years prior he sense SSJ Trunks ki, and heard how Trunks is completely inferior to the androids. How could Piccolo be confident unless stronger than Trunks?


Android 17 - 285,000,000
Android 18 - 275,000,000
Android 16 - 315,000,000


CELL

Piccolo (Merged) - 285,000,000
Worn-out - 255,000,000


Cell
Imperfect - 235,000,000
Humans Absorbed - 315,000,000


You have Piccolo at 90% of Cell. Piccolo uses a huge amplfiied attack and Cell tanks it. This spacing is just way too close.


Semiperfect - 400,000,000
Full-Power - 425,000,000

You have Semi Cell at 94% of Full Power Semi. That's hardly a note worthy increase.

Perfect (Suppressed) - 575,000,000

ROFL really? Semi is only 150 mil away from Perfect freaking Cell. Cmon man...


More later..

[dbgtFO]

DB

What do you think about a 40x SSJ boost? I mean 50% Freeza ~ KKx20 Goku and 100% Freeza ~ SSJ Goku, that would be logical wouldn't it? I'm pretty sure AT confirmed the 50x boost , but still instory there wouldn't be much to debate that now would there?

If you check out my power levels on page 11 you can see, that I have initial transformations being a varying boost based on the abilities of the user, which in Goku's case puts him at 35 stronger, than in base.
While Saiyans who have trained their Super Saiyan form and are able to transform at will gets 40x multiplier. It varies, but to make it simple, I just gave them a straight 40x multiplier.
The Max difference between normal Super Saiyan and Normal Form ever attainable is 50 times.
And I usually just say, that the characters don't reach that wall, until they train in the RoSAT.

We already went over this a couple of pages ago

[Kaboom]

Kuririn was stated to have been a help against 530k Freeza over 4 years ago. He went under 3 years of training through hell. And he's still only 90k?

That's a lot of growth for a human.

Tenshinhan is able to effect Semi Cell, nothing implies Freeza could, obviously the Shin Kikoho is a stupid multiplier, but that ridiculous?

The Kikoho never actually hurt Cell. All it did is push him back.

When did Kuririn > Tenshinhan ever happen?

Kuririn is labeled as the strongest human during the 28th Tournament. Nothing ever contradicted it, so I see no reason not to use it. I figure Kuririn's boost from the Grand Elder was just so big, that even train-a-holic Tenshinhan had a long way to go in catching up.

You have Initial 19 at 11% of Sick Goku. Sick Goku states that he is going all out to finish this quick. How could a guy 11% of someone survive so many punches and kicks from a completely superior fighter.

Goku was sick and weakened, and 19 was particularly durable, I suppose. However, that super-low level for 19 is from back before I learned that 19 having "multiplied" his power was a Viz embellishment, and the original line was that he "greatly increased" it or something. So if I end up remaking my list for that portion of the series anytime soon, #19 would start out stronger than 50% Freeza, like #20.

Piccolo is not lacking in confidence going in against the Androids.

... And still has a "bad feeling" or "sense of doom" or whatever.

Remind me again, when did he or anyone else outright say, "I'm stronger than Super Saiyan Trunks was?" I may have missed it.

You have Piccolo at 90% of Cell. Piccolo uses a huge amplfiied attack and Cell tanks it. This spacing is just way too close.

That level for Piccolo is his maximum, when he started fighting #17. By the time he uses that attack on Cell, Piccolo is already worn-out from his prior fight and has already taken a couple good hits from Cell. So his power at that point would be much lower. I just didn't bother including it.

You have Semi Cell at 94% of Full Power Semi. That's hardly a note worthy increase.

Yeah, Vegeta didn't seem to think so, either. But perhaps that gap could stand to be a little bigger.

ROFL really? Semi is only 150 mil away from Perfect freaking Cell. C'mon man...

Mind rephrasing that?

And it's evident from the story that the power boost for his Perfect form is MUCH bigger than that of his Semiperfect. Besides, didn't you see the "suppressed" there?

[Herms]

But isn't this translation wrong then?
Vegeta: "Battle power 2,800...!!! So they really do drastically change their battle powers!!!" as found on Kanzentai...

Heh, you're right. I got confused because of that V-Jump thing that describes Gohan as "over 2,800".

[p123]

s a lot of growth for a human.

AT has never suggested such silly sentiments. Kuririn surpass Raditz/Nappa/Vegeta,Kiwi/Dodoria/Zarbon


With no silly train of thought that humans can't do this or that. Plot determines power, not logic. Kuririn increased his power 7 fold in a year from Raditz to Nappa/Vegeta. Is that logical? Of course not. Because logic doesn't determine anything. Kuririn surpassing Ginyu while he is fighting Freeza is hardly a stretch of the imagination, I mean you did read that list of people Kuririn surpassed very quickly did you not?

The Kikoho never actually hurt Cell. All it did is push him back.

It effected him. Which is the point. Tien effected Initial Semi Cell. That's redonko. Cell is implied to have some minor discomfort just check his face. Logically that blast would have wrecked Freeza/19/20/17/18 and probably 16 as well friggen world. If they were all standing together I doubt any of them make it out alive.

Kuririn is labeled as the strongest human during the 28th Tournament. Nothing ever contradicted it, so I see no reason not to use it. I figure Kuririn's boost from the Grand Elder was just so big, that even train-a-holic Tenshinhan had a long way to go in catching up.

Your taking that way to literally. Yamcha is telling Kuririn's daughter that to ease her fears about fighting. That is hardly meant to mean what your implying it does. Tien is implied to be stronger than Kuririn in the androids arc. Yamcha followed by Kuririn followed by Tien all admit they are nothing. Yamcha/Kuririn quit training, while Tien continues to train for 7 years.

Goku was sick and weakened, and 19 was particularly durable, I suppose. However, that super-low level for 19 is from back before I learned that 19 having "multiplied" his power was a Viz embellishment, and the original line was that he "greatly increased" it or something. So if I end up remaking my list for that portion of the series anytime soon, #19 would start out stronger than 50% Freeza, like #20.

11% is 11%. The second part of your POV is fine.

... And still has a "bad feeling" or "sense of doom" or whatever.

Remind me again, when did he or anyone else outright say, "I'm stronger than Super Saiyan Trunks was?" I may have missed it.

He has a bad feeling. But says he still isn't lacking in confidence. That means that he is confident, although he has a bad feeling. Which means he is still confident.

How could Piccolo possibly be confident, when he knows SSJ Trunks is no match for them, and he knows SSJ Trunks power level.

This is just a simple common sense issue really.

That level for Piccolo is his maximum, when he started fighting #17. By the time he uses that attack on Cell, Piccolo is already worn-out from his prior fight and has already taken a couple good hits from Cell. So his power at that point would be much lower. I just didn't bother including it.

Ok gotcha now. Either way full power Piccolo shouldn't be able to effect Cell. The spacing is still way too close. Piccolo is jaw dropped and allows Cell to walk right past him, he is completely astonished. Even at 225 Piccolo is amplifying his ki, so Cell should be several fold stronger than the weakened Piccolo.

Yeah, Vegeta didn't seem to think so, either. But perhaps that gap could stand to be a little bigger

I agree. I don't think this is a huge increase either. Although Vegeta is a cocky bastard and anything weaker than him he would probably laugh off anyhow. But the point is he is significantly stronger. Enough to make it noteworthy. 94% IMO is more of a rivals range. Initial should be 80-90% of Cell at minimum. Lol, that's kind of funny for me to argue 94 is way too freaking close and then say 90% is ok isn't huh? But I think you get my point. ( Damn this guy p123 is a doosh )

Mind rephrasing that?

And it's evident from the story that the power boost for his Perfect form is MUCH bigger than that of his Semiperfect. Besides, didn't you see the "suppressed" there?

USSJ2 Trunks > Cell Suppressed >> USSJ Vegeta


Cell is way beyond USSJ Vegeta. By a huge margin. He takes him out easily. I think 75% would be the minimum here. Cell seems pretty confident taking on logically Vegeta's highest amplified attack here. Sure he has regeneration, but look at his face the last second before it lands, he was not expecting that kind of strength. Their should be a big range here.



Look I'm all for moderation but there are certain characters who need major spacing...


Ill just throw out some numbers off the top of the head...


Piccolo should be around 80% of SSJ Trunks
SSJ Trunks should be around 85% of SSJ Goku
SSJ Goku should be around 96+% of SSJ Vegeta
SSJ Vegeta should be around 90% of Imperfect Cell Pre Humans
Imperfect Cell should be around 85% of Piccolo W/Weights
Piccolo W/weights should be around 96+% of 18
18 should be around 90-95% of 17/Piccolo
Piccolo/17 should be around 75% or less than 16/Imperfect Cell Post Humans
16 should be around 50-60% of Semi Cell
Semi Cell should be around 75% of USSJ Vegeta
USSJ Vegeta should be around 50-70% of Perfect Cell
Perfect Cell should be around 80-85% of USSJ2 Trunks
50% MSSJ Goku should equal Perfect Cell Suppressed
MSSJ Goku should be equal to 80-85% of Perfect Cell Powered Up/MSSJGohan
MSSJ Gohan should be around 50-75% of Perfect Cell
Perfect Cell should be around 50% of SSJ2 Kid Gohan
SPC should be 96+% of SSJ2 Kid Gohan



Lol, that was a bit long. But as you can see, I am not trying to do crazy increases here, just trying to show just enough space. But there are so many characters that even a little space will eventually turn into huge numbers, it's just unavoidable.

[dbgtFO]

But isn't this translation wrong then?
Vegeta: "Battle power 2,800...!!! So they really do drastically change their battle powers!!!" as found on Kanzentai...

Heh, you're right. I got confused because of that V-Jump thing that describes Gohan as "over 2,800".

Okay.
Cool avatar by the way
Didn't know, that your normal one was supposed to portray anything at all actually.