The general American fanbase really annoys me.

[ABED]

Accurate Voice acting(Imitating the original audio. Rather than being a good voice)

How is this a criterion for an excellent dub? Why should the dub cast be limited to trying to sound like a previous cast instead of just sounding appropriate for the role?

[Gonstead]

Accurate Voice acting(Imitating the original audio. Rather than being a good voice)

How is this a criterion for an excellent dub? Why should the dub cast be limited to trying to sound like a previous cast instead of just sounding appropriate for the role?

Agreed. As long as the voice and performance captures the essence of the character, it doesn't need to be imitating the original sound.

[TheGmGoken]

LOL. Y'all most likely took it the wrong way cause of the way I worded. As imitations can be bad some times. What I mean is that they should capture the character's persona in the same matter as the original did. For example a lot of accurate dbz dubs captures Goku's goofy tone in his voice,

[Thanos]

The thing is, there's nothing wrong with liking something like the Dragon Ball Z dub. I enjoy the everloving crap Samurai Pizza Cats with no shame attached. I'm just not about to say that it's a good dub of Kyatto Ninden Teyandee because, based on the original characterizations, motivations, backstories, music, and voices, Samurai Pizza Cats doesn't even try to be close to its source show. They're completely different products that just happen to use the same moving pictures. So, let's not pretend for a single moment that Dragon Ball Z's dub (outside of a few movies) remotely resembles a "good dub" of the original Dragon Ball Z.

Similarly, I'd say that it's perfectly valid to enjoy the English dub of Dragon Ball Z. It is perfectly valid to prefer it to the original Japanese source material. But what irks me is that when people pretend that it's somehow just as valid or even more valid than the original version. Dubs represent an "unofficial" (for want of a better term... they are official in their respective regions, but they are not the legit, 100% genuine article of the original product) slant on the series. Why do I say this? It's simple: Videl's father's name does not start with "H", the characters do not speak English, and Vegeta does not care about his father. There's this bizarre level of cognitive dissonance among English dub fans that because it's their preferred version and it's America, that somehow it overthrows the original series in validity and credibility. But what they fail to grasp is the fact that, once again, the American English dub represents a very small vocal minority in North America. There's plenty of people within this region (myself included) who prefer the Japanese version. And internationally, fans either prefer the Japanese version or their respective domestic versions, but the American English dub is no more valid or representative of the true spirit of the series any more than the Spanish dub or the Korean dub. I've spoken to many fans internationally who are quite puzzled by the Faulconer score's existence. It's really quite an odd, unusual aspect to your particular dub, and holding onto that niche is perfectly fine... but it simply is not Dragon Ball Z.

[ABED]

LOL. Y'all most likely took it the wrong way cause of the way I worded. As imitations can be bad some times. What I mean is that they should capture the character's persona in the same matter as the original did. For example a lot of accurate dbz dubs captures Goku's goofy tone in his voice,

Okay, that makes more sense.

[Axiom]

LOL. Y'all most likely took it the wrong way cause of the way I worded. As imitations can be bad some times. What I mean is that they should capture the character's persona in the same matter as the original did. For example a lot of accurate dbz dubs captures Goku's goofy tone in his voice,

It's a good thing I don't care what you (or anyone else) really think, nor does most of the public. If you want to watch an action show with people who sound like Sailor Moon, knock yourself out. Funi made a gamble on American taste and it worked extremely well. Perfect? No, I would argue that it did it's job and was not just successful, it was/is a hit.

[TheGmGoken]

LOL. Y'all most likely took it the wrong way cause of the way I worded. As imitations can be bad some times. What I mean is that they should capture the character's persona in the same matter as the original did. For example a lot of accurate dbz dubs captures Goku's goofy tone in his voice,

It's a good thing I don't care what you (or anyone else) really think, nor does most of the public. If you want to watch an action show with people who sound like Sailor Moon, knock yourself out. Funi made a gamble on American taste and it worked extremely well. Perfect? No, I would argue that it did it's job and was not just successful, it was/is a hit.

What did that have to do with my remark? Most imitations doesn't even have the high pitch voices. Just more soft spoken. Like Goten's Korean dub voice and Gohan's CHAMP dub voice. Are you going by the stereotyped JPN dbz voice?

If you want to watch an action show with people who sound like Sailor Moon,

. Hope you know that only like 4 characters max have high pitch voices.

[Axiom]

LOL. Y'all most likely took it the wrong way cause of the way I worded. As imitations can be bad some times. What I mean is that they should capture the character's persona in the same matter as the original did. For example a lot of accurate dbz dubs captures Goku's goofy tone in his voice,

It's a good thing I don't care what you (or anyone else) really think, nor does most of the public. If you want to watch an action show with people who sound like Sailor Moon, knock yourself out. Funi made a gamble on American taste and it worked extremely well. Perfect? No, I would argue that it did it's job and was not just successful, it was/is a hit.

What did that have to do with my remark? Most imitations doesn't even have the high pitch voices. Just more soft spoken. Like Goten's Korean dub voice and Gohan's CHAMP dub voice. Are you going by the stereotyped JPN dbz voice?

If you want to watch an action show with people who sound like Sailor Moon,

. Hope you know that only like 4 characters max have high pitch voices.

That's 4 too many.

[TheGmGoken]

So you would rather have shitty voice acting than just 4 high pitched voices?

[Thanos]

That's 4 too many.

Well, that's the show. If you don't like it, tough. Watch something else if it bothers you that much. Don't expect the creators to change one aspect of something you don't like. No one's forcing you to watch it. That's the voice (in Goku's case) that was sanctioned by the creator of Dragon Ball himself, and it was established long before a lot of us were even born. If you prefer hearing Superman Schemmel shitting himself, well... to each their own.

[TheGmGoken]

That's 4 too many.

Well, that's the show. If you don't like it, tough. Watch something else if it bothers you that much. Don't expect the creators to change one aspect of something you don't like. No one's forcing you to watch it. That's the voice (in Goku's case) that was sanctioned by the creator of Dragon Ball himself, and it was established long before a lot of us were even born. If you prefer hearing Superman Schemmel shitting himself, well... to each their own.

Let's see. 1985 or 1986 is when Dragonball started.

[Axiom]

That's 4 too many.

Well, that's the show. If you don't like it, tough. Watch something else if it bothers you that much. Don't expect the creators to change one aspect of something you don't like. No one's forcing you to watch it. That's the voice (in Goku's case) that was sanctioned by the creator of Dragon Ball himself, and it was established long before a lot of us were even born. If you prefer hearing Superman Schemmel shitting himself, well... to each their own.

I don't have a problem with the American voices - I think it's better than the Japanese version. It is MY opinion, and I don't care who sanctioned what, the truth is this "crappy" dub made DBZ one of the most popular animes of all time. There was a reason they changed the voices from being done by women to men, and I don't care if you believes this "ruined" it in some way, I don't care about your prentious attitude towards people who think the Japanese version pales in comparison to the dub, I enjoy it like this and nothing you say can or will change that.

[TheGmGoken]

the truth is this "crappy" dub made DBZ one of the most popular animes of all time.

Are you serious? Dragonball and Dragonball Z was a hit before the english dub was even MADE. It was one of the most popular anime of that era because of the original audio. THe dub only made it popular in USA, Canada, and Australia. DB-DBZ was always going be super popular. Even before the dub was thought of.

[Thanos]

I don't have a problem with the American voices - I think it's better than the Japanese version. It is MY opinion, and I don't care who sanctioned what, the truth is this "crappy" dub made DBZ one of the most popular animes of all time. There was a reason they changed the voices from being done by women to men, and I don't care if you believes this "ruined" it in some way, I don't care about your prentious attitude towards people who think the Japanese version pales in comparison to the dub, I enjoy it like this and nothing you say can or will change that.

I fail to see the pretension in preferring the true form of something. It's not like it's a niche area. It was a children's cartoon that aired on mainstream television. That's far from pretentious. Now if, as I suspect, you consider me pretentious for denouncing the English dub, which itself is a niche market, whose voices and music are exclusive to the United States, then you are just plain wrong, and I think you fail to understand the facts or simply are unaware of these facts.

As has been discussed previously, to suggest your dub made DBZ one of the most popular animes of all time is a fallacy. The series' popularity is worldwide. And as I stated before, your dub only covers the United States. Every region has their own dub, and equal success was found worldwide. If you mean to suggest that all of the alterations made to DBZ by FUNimation were necessary to the show's success, then it's safe to say that you're missing the point entirely. The dub was done poorly by FUNimation's own admission. If they truly felt the way you did about their abortion of a dub, then they would've stuck to it, rather than redo their wrongs with Kai.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Well, that's the show. If you don't like it, tough. Watch something else if it bothers you that much. Don't expect the creators to change one aspect of something you don't like. No one's forcing you to watch it. That's the voice (in Goku's case) that was sanctioned by the creator of Dragon Ball himself, and it was established long before a lot of us were even born. If you prefer hearing Superman Schemmel shitting himself, well... to each their own.

Er...no offense, but that part is a little much. I get that you don't like the old English dub, but he and everyone else are entitled to still like it, regardless of how 'wrong' it might be.

This is the part that I can't get my head wrapped around really. The old dub isn't perfect, it's far from it, we get that. But it's a done deal. It's a complete product. It's a perfectly legitimate way for people to watch it, so - to me at least - telling them to just not watch the show at all if they happen to prefer a version you don't, is tantamount to telling them they're not allowed to be a fan. And that's just wrong.

[Thanos]

Er...no offense, but that part is a little much. I get that you don't like the old English dub, but he and everyone else are entitled to still like it, regardless of how 'wrong' it might be.

I don't see how it's a little much. To me that comment wasn't about the American dub... it was about the Japanese version. If he were referring to the American dub, he wouldn't have mentioned the "four high voices". I said "watch something else"... e.g. the American dub, because that is most definitely something else. My point was, if he hates the voices, then don't watch it. Stop complaining about them. Watch something else... like the dub. Does that make sense?

[Gyt Kaliba]

Ack. I completely read that comment from the wrong perspective then, my bad.

[Thanos]

Ack. I completely read that comment from the wrong perspective then, my bad.

It's cool man. I can understand how you might get that from what I said, maybe I wasn't articulate enough, bleh. Oh well.

I think my point was that, yeah, liking the American dub is cool, and I really don't have a problem with it if that's your thing, but what I do take issue with it when fans of it go on the offensive about the original Japanese version. It's like... I have no issue with people who believe that the Earth is flat, but if you're going to go on the offensive, don't expect to be taken seriously or have a leg to stand on. It's the same thing with these YouTube kids. You're attacking the source material for not having deep voices or 2edgy4me electronic music... when that's not what the series was in the first place.

Hopefully that will sound a bit more diplomatic than my previous posts. Sorry, I'm not very good at conveying tone via text.

[RandomGuy96]

Did you just say that thinking the American dub is better than the original is factually wrong?

[dprez]

A lot of the guys I knew in my grade had older brothers. If you know what I'm talking about, than you understand. My male "peers" heard things like DBZ was gay and for little kids mostly from their older siblings.They just didn't know what they were talking about obviously.

The corny and cheesy as hell FUNi dub has a lot to do with that, as we all know...