Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

Post by FPSSJ4_Goku » Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:25 pm

ZombieVito wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:22 pm
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Skar wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:01 pm It was a form created by Toyotaro so I think it was unlikely to appear in any movie like with the other manga or anime exclusive forms.
I'm still holding out hope for seeing Moro, Granolah, Ultra Ego, the Heeters, Susano'o Goku, etc.

I really hope Toei doesn't let me down
Broly didn't even show Zamasu. This won't show anything past Broly.
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Post by Koitsukai » Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:51 pm

ZombieVito wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:56 pm Isn't Pan still a baby in the Moro arc?
Yeah, I don't think it would work either, even if IIRC, we never saw Pan (it would still put so many stories right before EoZ), but the other option would be to consider the manga as filler content and... Toriyama is involved there, so... :crazy:
Meaning, there could definitely be now three continuities, manga, anime and movies... or the third option would be to shut up and wait until the movie comes out, which might be the safest option.

To be fair, the bios might not be there to be taken to heart, the saiyans' resume do look as vague as they could possibly be, and the movie seems to be purposely avoiding to touch on the manga's developments, whether it's to try not to spoil the current arc's ending, to save it for a second season of the anime, or because they think it is as relevant as Dokkan Battle. Or maybe all of the above!

About Gohan, he might be cycling through the SS forms for whatever reason, it doesn't necessarily means he's lost his Awakened form or that he forgot to go the earthling route.

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Post by ZombieVito » Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:04 pm

Koitsukai wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:51 pm Yeah, I don't think it would work either, even if IIRC, we never saw Pan (it would still put so many stories right before EoZ), but the other option would be to consider the manga as filler content and... Toriyama is involved there, so... :crazy:
Meaning, there could definitely be now three continuities, manga, anime and movies... or the third option would be to shut up and wait until the movie comes out, which might be the safest option.

To be fair, the bios might not be there to be taken to heart, the saiyans' resume do look as vague as they could possibly be, and the movie seems to be purposely avoiding to touch on the manga's developments, whether it's to try not to spoil the current arc's ending, to save it for a second season of the anime, or because they think it is as relevant as Dokkan Battle. Or maybe all of the above!

About Gohan, he might be cycling through the SS forms for whatever reason, it doesn't necessarily means he's lost his Awakened form or that he forgot to go the earthling route.
Vegeta training with Whis is a clear contradiction to the manga. As well as Gohan using Super Saiyan.

I think the events of the manga will be ignored once again.

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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

Post by The Monkey King » Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:10 pm

ZeroNeonix wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:29 pm Toei: "Nobody knows who Moro or Granola are. We can't reference that obscure, manga only stuff."

Also Toei: "Hey. You all know who Jaco is, right? From that spinoff manga? Yeah, of course you know. Well, here he is. Oh, also, Bulma has a sister named Tights, but you already knew that."
Clearly, Toriyama is the deciding factor here and it's a fair one imo :lol:
KentMan wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:45 amGranolah might be a spoiler for all we know. And this Bio puts a dent in the anime since in the manga Jiren beat UI Goku and he didn’t use that super full power that he had until facing both Goku and Vegeta. Where as in the anime Goku beat Jiren until his body gave out.
Are you shitposting? Are you trolling us all?

Seriously, the bio is pretty plain, to the point and innocuous, all it does is list the last two opponents Goku fought within the anime, the medium that DBS Super Hero is clearly basing it's canon on... and nothing else.

Anyway here's some new info on Piccolo's new transformation
Based on what we just saw, it appears that the latent power dormant inside Piccolo has been unleashed, giving rise to a brand-new form for the Namekian warrior!
https://en.dragon-ball-official.com/news/01_905.html

Maybe Piccolo visited New Namek and met a Namekian (probably Moori) that could unleash his potential like Guru could :think:

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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

Post by Yuji » Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:28 pm

Koitsukai wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:51 pm
ZombieVito wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:56 pm Isn't Pan still a baby in the Moro arc?
Yeah, I don't think it would work either, even if IIRC, we never saw Pan (it would still put so many stories right before EoZ), but the other option would be to consider the manga as filler content and... Toriyama is involved there, so... :crazy:
Meaning, there could definitely be now three continuities, manga, anime and movies... or the third option would be to shut up and wait until the movie comes out, which might be the safest option.

To be fair, the bios might not be there to be taken to heart, the saiyans' resume do look as vague as they could possibly be, and the movie seems to be purposely avoiding to touch on the manga's developments, whether it's to try not to spoil the current arc's ending, to save it for a second season of the anime, or because they think it is as relevant as Dokkan Battle. Or maybe all of the above!

About Gohan, he might be cycling through the SS forms for whatever reason, it doesn't necessarily means he's lost his Awakened form or that he forgot to go the earthling route.
It's looking like the time skip between Broly and Superhero is wide enough where you could conceivably enter Granolah and Moro into it without much damage to the consistency between the continuities. God knows there are bigger inconsistencies than Vegeta training with Whis and Gohan using Super Saiyan inside the actual continuities themselves already.

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Post by Jackalope89 » Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:28 pm

Soba Mask wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:59 pm
Jackalope89 wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:09 pm
FortuneSSJ wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:52 pm The new poster is easily one of the best we got for modern DB.

Piccolo having a new form is surprising. Never expected him to have one at this point. Pan unlocking SSJ would be ok since its not special anymore. I don't understand why she didn't get it in GT, while Goku/Vegeta jr did...

I think if an iconic villain like Cell returned they wouldn't keep it secret for so long. Hopefully it's something else at the end of the trailer. Wouldn't mind to be Android 21.
Speaking of the poster, Cheelai is holding a very interesting bundle.
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Post by Koitsukai » Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:42 pm

ZombieVito wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:04 pm
Koitsukai wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:51 pm Yeah, I don't think it would work either, even if IIRC, we never saw Pan (it would still put so many stories right before EoZ), but the other option would be to consider the manga as filler content and... Toriyama is involved there, so... :crazy:
Meaning, there could definitely be now three continuities, manga, anime and movies... or the third option would be to shut up and wait until the movie comes out, which might be the safest option.

To be fair, the bios might not be there to be taken to heart, the saiyans' resume do look as vague as they could possibly be, and the movie seems to be purposely avoiding to touch on the manga's developments, whether it's to try not to spoil the current arc's ending, to save it for a second season of the anime, or because they think it is as relevant as Dokkan Battle. Or maybe all of the above!

About Gohan, he might be cycling through the SS forms for whatever reason, it doesn't necessarily means he's lost his Awakened form or that he forgot to go the earthling route.
Vegeta training with Whis is a clear contradiction to the manga. As well as Gohan using Super Saiyan.

I think the events of the manga will be ignored once again.
Vegeta's is a blatant contradiction and also not true because Geets hasn't trained with Whis since... U6 arc? prior to the ToP he was doing his own thing already, IIRC, and at the ToP he officially fired Whis. It applies only to 2015-2017 Vegeta, and looks like something SSB toys would have on them.

Gohan's not necessarily, it could be easily explained why he is using SS, maybe Pan likes it, and they can always explain, AGAIN, how Gohan's form work. But yes, in paper, it is a contradiction and would need proper context or it's bye bye Toyo. And I don't think it will be explained either.

I also think the manga will be ignored, like it's not even part of the same franchise.

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Post by TheMajinRedComet » Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:04 pm

Let's be honest, the reason Gohan is SSJ is because it looks cool and it's what people expect when they see a DB trailer. For all we know it could be different in the movie or they are doing what the did in Broly and having the characters show off thier different forms before things get serious. Heck they might give him a new form called Ultimate Super Sayain or something.
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Post by SupremeKai25 » Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:20 pm

ZombieVito wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:22 pm
FPSSJ4_Goku wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:19 pm
Skar wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:01 pm It was a form created by Toyotaro so I think it was unlikely to appear in any movie like with the other manga or anime exclusive forms.
I'm still holding out hope for seeing Moro, Granolah, Ultra Ego, the Heeters, Susano'o Goku, etc.

I really hope Toei doesn't let me down
Broly didn't even show Zamasu. This won't show anything past Broly.
Broly not showing Zamasu made sense. There was no real reason to bring up Zamasu because, in the Present timeline, the Present Zamasu failed to actually put his plan in motion, since he was exposed and killed by Beerus.

Moro, Granolah, and Gas not being mentioned however is very strange, since Moro (and maybe Gas, depending on how the arc continues) directly threatened the Present Earth and even merged with the Earth at one point.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Post by Skar » Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:22 pm

FPSSJ4_Goku wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:19 pm
Skar wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:01 pm It was a form created by Toyotaro so I think it was unlikely to appear in any movie like with the other manga or anime exclusive forms.
I'm still holding out hope for seeing Moro, Granolah, Ultra Ego, the Heeters, Susano'o Goku, etc.

I really hope Toei doesn't let me down
Maybe if the anime returns. Toyotaro's editor hoped Moro has a good voice actor or something like that so that implies he expects the manga to be adapted. Maybe the series only continues as movies. Who knows! I think the earliest the anime could continue is when the current Digimon anime ends this year.

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Post by Xeogran » Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:34 pm

Skar wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:22 pm Maybe the series only continues as movies.
Think it would be weird to go back in time for the future movies (as in by adapting Moro arc that happens before SH) so I think these arcs are reserved for anime adaptation where it'd make more sense.
Skar wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:22 pm I think the earliest the anime could continue is when the current Digimon anime ends this year.
Earliest is most likely it replacing Dragon Quest's time slot, because that'll be ending sooner than Digimon.

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Post by TheMajinRedComet » Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:36 pm

I don't think the Zamasu thing is a issue with Broly. Goku was thinking about the people he recently fought and was excited to fight them again. Goku did not like Zamasu he is on that short list of characters that Goku actually didn't like such as Tambourine. He did not want to fight him again plus Goku knows that not only is Zamasu dead he doesn't exist anymore. There is no chance for a rematch.
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Post by Skar » Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:44 pm

Xeogran wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:34 pmEarliest is most likely it replacing Dragon Quest's time slot, because that'll be ending sooner than Digimon.
I thought DB always aired on Fuji TV? It could be a deal with that channel so I'm not sure if they can air it somewhere else.

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Post by Xeogran » Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:48 pm

Skar wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:44 pm
Xeogran wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:34 pmEarliest is most likely it replacing Dragon Quest's time slot, because that'll be ending sooner than Digimon.
I thought DB always aired on Fuji TV? It could be a deal with that channel so I'm not sure if they can air it somewhere else.
Oh right, that's true
Guess we'll have to wait a bit longer then :think:

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Post by ZombieVito » Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:14 pm

TheMajinRedComet wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:36 pm I don't think the Zamasu thing is a issue with Broly. Goku was thinking about the people he recently fought and was excited to fight them again. Goku did not like Zamasu he is on that short list of characters that Goku actually didn't like such as Tambourine. He did not want to fight him again plus Goku knows that not only is Zamasu dead he doesn't exist anymore. There is no chance for a rematch.
He's omitted when Goku tells Broly about their past enemies that threaten Earth and Infinite Zamasu technically did on both continuities. In the anime Goku Black was even on Earth.

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Post by Jinto » Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:35 pm

The manga might as well be a spin off at this point. i think it's better that way, it's a good spin off better than Super Dragon Ball heroes but it doesn't have the quality of a mainline work mainly due to its rushed production (6 independent arc in a mere 81 chapter, Boruto is at its 2nd continuous arc for 55 chapter).
The trailer looked rough, some shadow really need to be worked on like that one Piccolo shot :sick:

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:38 pm

It might simply be that Goku and co. don't even want to think about Zamasu, his crimes were after all far more severe than the crimes of all other villains combined, maybe they just don't want to be reminded of him in any way :think: I don't think there's a deep meaning to Zamasu not being mentioned in the Broly movie.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Post by Lukmendes » Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:57 pm

The flashback in Broly's movie also lacks Tao Pai Pai, Tambourine, Piccolo, Nappa, Dr. Gero and Babidi, I guess it can be chalked up as some villains just being weirdly not present (Or just not being a "main" threat compared to another villain around, which can remove Tambourine, Nappa, Gero and Babidi), though considering Freeza and Super Boo are shown, Zamasu's absence is ridiculous after the shit he pulled, and since the movie was willing to reference ToP, not referencing Zamasu at all is just weird.
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Post by mute_proxy » Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:31 pm

They paid respects to the original (skimming through the main DB and DBZ villains) and referenced their most recent event (ToP) to pin point where they are now. Nothing odd about it, why on earth would they go through everything? It's a movie, not a recap episode.

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Post by Koitsukai » Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:40 pm

Yeah, a quick recap of every villain from the original material, and the strongest guy to date and the people that were around him.

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