Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

[Hugo Boss]

what about Moro and Granolah?

And what about Vegeta’s master still being Whis in the movie?

[PurestEvil]

Oh god the Defenders of the Canon are gonna have a field day with this

[SupremeKai25]

You can also argue that Moro and Granolah are genuinely fodder garbage and Goku was wasting his time fighting them

[Hugo Boss]

You can also argue that Moro and Granolah are genuinely fodder garbage and Goku was wasting his time fighting them

Spoiler:

Only if you overlook Moro being stronger than Broly and Jiren, and Granolah being even stronger than Moro.

[Grimlock]

Totally agreed, although the red and blue stuff we've seen for Goku and Vegeta in DBS is sort of silly and pointless, especially in the b&w manga, at least they're not as bizarre and ugly as SSJ3 and 4.

The recolors bring their own set of problems, but they have their own merits too. Though, it's not like Super Saiyan 4 is totally egregious either. All thanks to Bardock, Xeno Goku and Xeno Vegetto. The three of them managed to look good in that form somehow. These recent exceptions kind of warmed me up about it a little bit.

I'm actually totally fine with no transformations at this point or very minor ones like what we've seen from Piccolo.

And still waiting for the red-eyed form for Piccolo. It could even be his own god form to put him around the level of Goku and such.

How old is Xeno Pan? Goten and Trunks loved to fight in the Buu saga but lost interest between that age and their late teens. I remember she trained Goku Jr but that might've been like Chi Chi training Goten and not that Pan necessarily trained that seriously.

If I remember correctly, Xeno Pan traveled with Trunks accidentally soon after the Shadow Dragons were dealt with, so she's, whatever age Pan was at the time (9 or 10 I think).

Xeno Pan is eleven, to be precise. Comes straight from the Shadow Dragons saga.

[KentMan]

So recently for this movie there seems to be a huge debate as to how strong Broly is compared to Beerus since the interview came out. Well this apparently puts everything into question since Uchida mentioned Broly now Jiren is being put in the same sentence.

Not to start a canon debat......but what about Moro and Granolah?

No point in mentioning two characters that most people have never seen.

The anime was always the mainstream and iconic version of Super and the anime ended at Jiren, but it is also intuitive to associate the movie with the anime since they are both visual mediums made by Toei.

Granolah might be a spoiler for all we know. And this Bio puts a dent in the anime since in the manga Jiren beat UI Goku and he didn’t use that super full power that he had until facing both Goku and Vegeta. Where as in the anime Goku beat Jiren until his body gave out.

[SupremeKai25]

Granolah might be a spoiler for all we know. And this Bio puts a dent in the anime since in the manga Jiren beat UI Goku and he didn’t use that super full power that he had until facing both Goku and Vegeta. Where as in the anime Goku beat Jiren until his body gave out.

Goku didn't completely beat Jiren, because in the next episode it's shown that Jiren still had some strength left in him, which he got from Toppo's Power of Friendship speech.

[mute_proxy]

What are you guys talking about? The bio is just saying that he fought Jiren and Broly and is still improving. No one's talking about anyone's full powers or who beat who and how.

[Jack Bz]

What are you guys talking about? The bio is just saying that he fought Jiren and Broly and is still improving. No one's talking about anyone's full powers or who beat who and how.

Exactly. There is absolutely nothing to read into that in regards to a Broly vs Beerus vs Jiren strength debate, wtf.

The only interesting aspect is that it doesn't include Moro in the description, but that's almost definitely just because it doesn't want to confuse the people who don't know what's been happening in the manga.

[Hugo Boss]

What are you guys talking about? The bio is just saying that he fought Jiren and Broly and is still improving. No one's talking about anyone's full powers or who beat who and how.

As usual, some people read way too much on this stuff and try to reascend old powerscalling debacles in totally different discussions.

[Koitsukai]

what about Moro and Granolah?

And what about Vegeta’s master still being Whis in the movie?

Bingo. This implies the events of the manga might be overlooked, nothing to do with powerscaling, like at all. Why? don't know, maybe it's not that popular to include in the movie, or they just don't give a fuck anymore about it. Or they are saving it for DBS2...

Vegeta training under Beerus (which is not small potatoes) seems to have never happened; the strongest in the universe looks like never happened(this one on a bio would speak for itself); and Gohan turning SS actually fucks the manga in the colon, not only because Gohan regained Ultimate since the ToP, but that whole I'm going the Chikyu-jin route thing is at odds with SS2 Gohan. It's at odds with manga Gohan still training and being as sharp as possible.


Or maybe... this happens right before the Moro arc? so either the Moro arc hasn't happened yet or never happened at all.

[Jack Bz]

what about Moro and Granolah?

And what about Vegeta’s master still being Whis in the movie?

Bingo. This implies the events of the manga might be overlooked, nothing to do with powerscaling, like at all. Why? don't know, maybe it's not that popular to include in the movie, or they just don't give a fuck anymore about it. Or they are saving it for DBS2...

Vegeta training under Beerus (which is not small potatoes) seems to have never happened; the strongest in the universe looks like never happened(this one on a bio would speak for itself); and Gohan turning SS actually fucks the manga in the colon, not only because Gohan regained Ultimate since the ToP, but that whole I'm going the Chikyu-jin route thing is at odds with SS2 Gohan. It's at odds with manga Gohan still training and being as sharp as possible.


Or maybe... this happens right before the Moro arc? so either the Moro arc hasn't happened yet or never happened at all.

The arc could actually end with Vegeta not going forward with UE. He's already conceded that he "couldn't revert to the callous, unfeeling man he once was". So the implication could be that maybe UE isn't the ultimate answer either.

[Koitsukai]

And what about Vegeta’s master still being Whis in the movie?

Bingo. This implies the events of the manga might be overlooked, nothing to do with powerscaling, like at all. Why? don't know, maybe it's not that popular to include in the movie, or they just don't give a fuck anymore about it. Or they are saving it for DBS2...

Vegeta training under Beerus (which is not small potatoes) seems to have never happened; the strongest in the universe looks like never happened(this one on a bio would speak for itself); and Gohan turning SS actually fucks the manga in the colon, not only because Gohan regained Ultimate since the ToP, but that whole I'm going the Chikyu-jin route thing is at odds with SS2 Gohan. It's at odds with manga Gohan still training and being as sharp as possible.


Or maybe... this happens right before the Moro arc? so either the Moro arc hasn't happened yet or never happened at all.

The arc could actually end with Vegeta not going forward with UE. He's already conceded that he "couldn't revert to the callous, unfeeling man he once was". So the implication could be that maybe UE isn't the ultimate answer either.

But I don't think he'd go back to training under Whis, in that case, he might finally go down his own road.
That particular development also doesn’t seem to be happening this month or the next one, at this pace. So, at best, it would be a big spoiler to know where Geets will end up before the arc does.

[KentMan]

Granolah might be a spoiler for all we know. And this Bio puts a dent in the anime since in the manga Jiren beat UI Goku and he didn’t use that super full power that he had until facing both Goku and Vegeta. Where as in the anime Goku beat Jiren until his body gave out.

Goku didn't completely beat Jiren, because in the next episode it's shown that Jiren still had some strength left in him, which he got from Toppo's Power of Friendship speech.

He was about to but his body gave out unlike in the manga where he beat Goku UI straight up

Exactly. There is absolutely nothing to read into that in regards to a Broly vs Beerus vs Jiren strength debate, wtf.

The only interesting aspect is that it doesn't include Moro in the description, but that's almost definitely just because it doesn't want to confuse the people who don't know what's been happening in the manga.

Since last year a lot of folks from different sites who saw the interview. Were claiming that Beerus was above Jiren and Broly. And at the same time mocking Uchida for supposedly messing up the interview for bringing Broly up. Now we have an official source that goes against what was previously being believed about Jiren and Broly. It’s curious to want to know what all these characters can currently do in the new movie. While being put off by the CGI.


I can’t tell if Toyotaro messed these up or was it intentional

[ZeroNeonix]

So recently for this movie there seems to be a huge debate as to how strong Broly is compared to Beerus since the interview came out. Well this apparently puts everything into question since Uchida mentioned Broly now Jiren is being put in the same sentence.

Not to start a canon debat......but what about Moro and Granolah?

No point in mentioning two characters that most people have never seen.

The anime was always the mainstream and iconic version of Super and the anime ended at Jiren, but it is also intuitive to associate the movie with the anime since they are both visual mediums made by Toei.

Toei: "Nobody knows who Moro or Granola are. We can't reference that obscure, manga only stuff."

Also Toei: "Hey. You all know who Jaco is, right? From that spinoff manga? Yeah, of course you know. Well, here he is. Oh, also, Bulma has a sister named Tights, but you already knew that."

[SupremeKai25]

Toei: "Nobody knows who Moro or Granola are. We can't reference that obscure, manga only stuff."

Also Toei: "Hey. You all know who Jaco is, right? From that spinoff manga? Yeah, of course you know. Well, here he is. Oh, also, Bulma has a sister named Tights, but you already knew that."

This would indeed appear to be the case.

Unless you can find a better reason as to why they would omit Moro, Granolah, and Gas from that recap.

If anything you further proved my point, because they remembered someone who is ultimately a secondary character/sidekick in the DB world, while forgetting characters who served as main antagonists...

The alternative as I said is that they were simply not worth mentioning, which would imply that they were not as tough of an opponent to Goku as Jiren and Broly

[ZombieVito]

what about Moro and Granolah?

And what about Vegeta’s master still being Whis in the movie?

Bingo. This implies the events of the manga might be overlooked, nothing to do with powerscaling, like at all. Why? don't know, maybe it's not that popular to include in the movie, or they just don't give a fuck anymore about it. Or they are saving it for DBS2...

Vegeta training under Beerus (which is not small potatoes) seems to have never happened; the strongest in the universe looks like never happened(this one on a bio would speak for itself); and Gohan turning SS actually fucks the manga in the colon, not only because Gohan regained Ultimate since the ToP, but that whole I'm going the Chikyu-jin route thing is at odds with SS2 Gohan. It's at odds with manga Gohan still training and being as sharp as possible.


Or maybe... this happens right before the Moro arc? so either the Moro arc hasn't happened yet or never happened at all.

Isn't Pan still a baby in the Moro arc?

[Skar]

I'm not sure if any anime film referenced events in a manga before they appeared in the anime so it makes sense it wouldn't happen now. The manga arcs were pretty self-contained and Goku learning to use UI at will might be the only thing that carries over to a future arc. It doesn't require the same explanation though since he learned to use God and Blue offscreen while training with Whis. I always thought UE was a form Vegeta would abandon at the end of the Granolah arc. It was a form created by Toyotaro so I think it was unlikely to appear in any movie like with the other manga or anime exclusive forms.

[FPSSJ4_Goku]

It was a form created by Toyotaro so I think it was unlikely to appear in any movie like with the other manga or anime exclusive forms.

I'm still holding out hope for seeing Moro, Granolah, Ultra Ego, the Heeters, Susano'o Goku, etc.

I really hope Toei doesn't let me down

[ZombieVito]

It was a form created by Toyotaro so I think it was unlikely to appear in any movie like with the other manga or anime exclusive forms.

I'm still holding out hope for seeing Moro, Granolah, Ultra Ego, the Heeters, Susano'o Goku, etc.

I really hope Toei doesn't let me down

Broly didn't even show Zamasu. This won't show anything past Broly.