The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I was interested in hearing more explanations on why you guys think the God multiplier is whatever you think it is. Most of us - including me - seem to feel it's something ludicrous, like tens of thousands of times to even millions of times, but I can't really imagine why we think that.

Because the gap is just gargatuan. Vegetto was considered worthless vs Beerus but SSJG Goku could hold his own against him.

[Noah]

New match:

- RoF SSJB Goku & Vegeta, Golden Freeza vs. 100% FP Movie Beerus

[dragonball0900]

I was interested in hearing more explanations on why you guys think the God multiplier is whatever you think it is. Most of us - including me - seem to feel it's something ludicrous, like tens of thousands of times to even millions of times, but I can't really imagine why we think that.

My multiplier is x1,000,000. Base Vegito is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. I think the multiplier for that can be x600 (x+x)x300. Then as a SSJ3 is x240,000. SSJ3 Vegito was considered nothing and worthless against Beerus, but God Goku is considered to be rivalling him. God Goku should be much stronger than SSJ3 Vegito. 100,000,000 x1,000,000 = 100,000,000,000,000 = 10^14

On another note, I know the 6, 10 and 15 numbers for God Goku, Beerus and Whis are not reliable anymore. However, I use them as a x10 system. If God Goku is a 6 in Toriyama's scale and 7 is one number above 6, then the fighter who is at 7 is 10 times stronger than the fighter who is at 6, then the fighter who is at 8 is 10 times stronger the fighter who is at 7 and so on. That means that I have Beerus 10,000 times stronger than SSJ God Goku from BOG.

[ZombieVito]

Super Saiyan 2 Kefla vs Merged Zamasu

Zamasu gets the living hell beaten by her until he gets tired of it, summons his Light of Justice, gets corrupted and one shots her.

Vegeta (vs. Ginyu Force) vs. Kiwi, Dodoria and Zarbon (can transform)

Vegeta needed to cheat in order to beat transformed Zarbon. He losses.

Aniraza vs ssj2 Kefla

SS Kefla is 20 times stronger than Blue Goku at the minimum, she murders Aniraza.

Ribrianne (not Super or Giant Ribrianne) vs. Basil

Normal, undrugged Basil? Poor guy gets destroyed.

RoF SSJB Goku & Vegeta, Golden Freeza vs. 100% FP Movie Beerus

Beerus still wins imo.

[nickzambuto]

Goku right after mastering 10x gravity versus Raditz.

Anime versions, meaning Goku already doubled his power from the time he fought Raditz by eating the Hell fruit, and 10 times gravity was still incredibly hard.

[Noah]

Goku right after mastering 10x gravity versus Raditz.

Anime versions, meaning Goku already doubled his power from the time he fought Raditz by eating the Hell fruit, and 10 times gravity was still incredibly hard.

I set this Goku close at 1,100 BP, it depends if he already knows how to use the Kaioken (then this match would be just a piece of cake), if not depends which battle power do you consider Raditz to have (1,200 or 1,500), if it is the first then I can see Goku winning by overcoming the small power difference, if it is the second it still could be a difficult match for him but I think a well placed Kamehameha (which might increase his BP to 1,100 to 1,600) could defeat Raditz.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I was interested in hearing more explanations on why you guys think the God multiplier is whatever you think it is. Most of us - including me - seem to feel it's something ludicrous, like tens of thousands of times to even millions of times, but I can't really imagine why we think that.

It was supposed to be far above SSJ3 Vegetto back when it was introduced.

[sunsetshimmer]

1. Pan (GT) vs Android 18 (DBZ)
2. Android 17 (DBS) vs Hell Fighter 17
3. Majuub vs Base Kefla
4. Hit vs Nuova Shenron (true form)
5. GT Frieza (4th form) vs DBS Frieza (4th form)

[nickzambuto]

IIRC Arale could not beat Beerus. So... Jiren vs Arale?

[TheUltimateNinja]

IIRC Arale could not beat Beerus. So... Jiren vs Arale?

Jiren stomps her easily, his resistance to toonforce is much greater than Beerus'.

[dragonball0900]

IIRC Arale could not beat Beerus. So... Jiren vs Arale?

It's obvious that Jiren has to surpass Beerus in every way. Jiren wins easily.

[Hugo Boss]

I was interested in hearing more explanations on why you guys think the God multiplier is whatever you think it is. Most of us - including me - seem to feel it's something ludicrous, like tens of thousands of times to even millions of times, but I can't really imagine why we think that.

I think SSG is more like a realm than a multiplier per si. It could vary from Kaioshin to God of Destruction or stack in the middle of it. If Yamcha somehow masters god ki, I guess he could challenge guys stronger than Kaioshins, like Cell or even Boo, but he would definetely be weaker than SSG Goku.

[Steven Bloodriver]

1. Pan (GT) vs Android 18 (DBZ)
2. Android 17 (DBS) vs Hell Fighter 17
3. Majuub vs Base Kefla
4. Hit vs Nuova Shenron (true form)
5. GT Frieza (4th form) vs DBS Frieza (4th form)

1) I really have no idea, but Android 18 might be the one with the most chances to win.

2) Android 17 (Universe Survival Saga) wins after a brief clash with his dark double.

3) Kefla defeats Majuub in less than a heartbeat.

4) Hit, as Nuova Shenron (True Form) is absolutely nothing to him.

5) Mastered Fourth Form Frieza completely dominates his GT counterpart and then kills him.

[sunsetshimmer]

1) I really have no idea, but Android 18 might be the one with the most chances to win.

2) Android 17 (Universe Survival Saga) wins after a brief clash with his dark double.

3) Kefla defeats Majuub in less than a heartbeat.

4) Hit, as Nuova Shenron (True Form) is absolutely nothing to him.

5) Mastered Fourth Form Frieza completely dominates his GT counterpart and then kills him.

1. I Agree unless Pan goes rage then she might win imo
2. Hard to tell. HF17 was clearly stronger than Buu. Both have good chance of winning imo.
3. Yes she should win against him but not that quickly imo
4. Nuova can make his body hot as sun which would make Hit burn his hands and he is melee fighter so i wouldn't be so sure he wins and i absolutely wouldn't say Nuova is "nothing" to him. Nuova was also very fast. Much faster than Goku SSJ4 and Omega Shenron. I'd say it would be tough fight for both of them.
5. If we talk about RoF saga Frieza then i disagree because he was equal to base Goku who wasn't much stronger than his DBZ self yet. Current Frieza is a different case tho.

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) I really have no idea, but Android 18 might be the one with the most chances to win.

2) Android 17 (Universe Survival Saga) wins after a brief clash with his dark double.

3) Kefla defeats Majuub in less than a heartbeat.

4) Hit, as Nuova Shenron (True Form) is absolutely nothing to him.

5) Mastered Fourth Form Frieza completely dominates his GT counterpart and then kills him.

1. I Agree unless Pan goes rage then she might win imo
2. Hard to tell. HF17 was clearly stronger than Buu. Both have good chance of winning imo.
3. Yes she should win against him but not that quickly imo
4. Nuova can make his body hot as sun which would make Hit burn his hands and he is melee fighter so i wouldn't be so sure he wins and i absolutely wouldn't say Nuova is "nothing" to him. Nuova was also very fast. Much faster than Goku SSJ4 and Omega Shenron. I'd say it would be tough fight for both of them.
5. If we talk about RoF saga Frieza then i disagree because he was equal to base Goku who wasn't much stronger than his DBZ self yet. Current Frieza is a different case tho.

1) While an enraged Pan might have been able to gain an advantage over Android 18, her very own rage boost just may not last long enough for her to achieve victory, but if this was Pan after going along with Goku and Uub to train for close to 5 years or even a decade, depending on the dub, then she wins hands down. As Pan would have been stronger than 18 by then.

2) It really isn't a contest, as even Android 17 from the manga of Dragon Ball Super from the Tournament of Power Saga could pull out a win against Hell Fighter 17.

3) You are right, Kefla would get it done in 1 yoctosecond.

4) Hit, even before first facing off with Super Saiyan Blue Goku, was already stronger than any villain from Dragon Ball GT, including Omega Shenron himself, so much so in fact, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would have been the only one able to do anything to him, so even Nuova Shenron's Nova Sphere would have done no damage to Hit. Since their respective powers would be too far apart for anything Nuova Shenron himself could try to pull off a win against Hit, while the Assassin would be able to utterly kill the Shadow Dragon with nothing but a love-tap. With Hit winning no-contest.

5) Frieza from Dragon Ball GT was confident in fighting Goku, yet was toyed with by the Saiyan hero's base form. While Frieza from Dragon Ball Super was able to fight on more or less than even grounds with Goku’s Saiyan Beyond God state, which alone puts the Hero of Earth in a completely different league than he was against Beerus, a God of Destruction even more powerful than any known Super Saiyan transformation at the time of the Battle of Gods Saga. So for even if Frieza (GT) from the Super 17 Saga could take on Super Saiyan 3 Goku from the Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods film, he would have no chance against his Dragon Ball Super counterpart from the tail end of the Resurrection F Saga, as Frieza (Super) after fully-mastering his Final Form, would be able to massacre anything or anyone starting from Ledgic of the Black Star Dragon Ball Saga to Omega Shenron of the Shadow Dragon Saga with energy to spare for his rematch with Goku.

[Steven Bloodriver]

New match:

- RoF SSJB Goku & Vegeta, Golden Freeza vs. 100% FP Movie Beerus

If SSGSS Goku, SSGSS Vegeta, or even Golden Frieza from Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F or the Resurrection F Saga of Dragon Ball Super, don't finish off Beerus with everything they have, the God of Destruction would just eliminate each of them in turn with his full power.

[Steven Bloodriver]

Super Saiyan 4 Goku (After receiving the Super Saiyan powers of his two sons and Trunks for his rematch with Syn Shenron in the Shadow Dragon Saga), Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta (Shadow Dragon Saga), and Nuova Shenron (Resurrected By Goku’s Positive Energy) vs. Omega Shenron (6 of Seven Dragon Balls Absorbed).

[Zamasu55]

1. Pan (GT) vs Android 18 (DBZ)
2. Android 17 (DBS) vs Hell Fighter 17
3. Majuub vs Base Kefla
4. Hit vs Nuova Shenron (true form)
5. GT Frieza (4th form) vs DBS Frieza (4th form)

1) An angry Pan was able to hurt Genaral Rildo, who's stronger than Kid Buu in base. 18 stands no chance really.
2) DBS 17 one-shots.
3) Base Kefla was beating the crap out of SsjG Goku, and even if the latter was tired after fighting Jiren, I really doubt he's weaker than Super Uub.
4) Hit strikes Nuova in the heart and kills him right away.
5) GT Freeza wasn't even Ssj2 tier, probably, whereas DBS Freeza is God tier. It's easy to tell.

[Myzt0gun]

Comparing Tournament of Power Arc Characters to DBZ Characters in Power: (my own opinion, could be wrong)
-(DBS Base Goku = atleast (Buu Arc) SSJ2 Goku or stronger),
-(DBS Piccolo = Super Buu)
-(DBS Android 18 = Super Perfect Cell??)
-(DBS Android 17 = DBZ SSJ3 Goku or stronger)
-(DBS Master Roshi = DBZ Android 19), (DBS Tien = DBZ Frieza <2nd Form>), (DBS Krillin = DBZ Frieza <3rd Form>)

Zen Exhibition Match
-Goku(SSBKK) > Toppo = Goku(SSB) > Bergamo (Giant) > Goku(Base) > Majin Buu(Angry) > Basil(Drugged) > Gohan (SSJ) > Lavender > Basil > Buu > Gohan(Base)

Tournament of Power
Strongest Fighters:
-Jiren > UI Goku > Anizara > Goku(SSBKK) > Hit > Vegeta(SSB) > Toppo > Goku(SSB) > Kefla > Golden Frieza > Gohan(Mystic) > Dyspo > Goku(SSG)

Other Universes Ace Fighters:
-Koichiarator > Maji Kayo > Bergamo (Absorption) > Obuni > Katopesla > Ribrianne (Giant) > Bergamo (Base) > Murichim? > Ribrianne > Lavender > Basil > Rozie

AGREE???

[DBZAOTA482]

1. Pan (GT) vs Android 18 (DBZ)
2. Android 17 (DBS) vs Hell Fighter 17
3. Majuub vs Base Kefla
4. Hit vs Nuova Shenron (true form)
5. GT Frieza (4th form) vs DBS Frieza (4th form)

1. Hate to say this... but Pan stomps.
2. #17 from Super's pinkie finger ends this.
3. Kefla makes the homewrecking mohawk-boy her bitch!
4. Hit hits and wins.
5. Frieza from Super gigastomps!