"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[simtek34]

We'll probably see 18, Gohan, and Kuririn in their "new" outfits, but that's about it.

Kuririn has the same as normal outfit. What do you mean? He wore this one in Almost all of OG DB, Saiyan-Freeza arc and the Resurection F arc

[Khin]

Kuririn has the same as normal outfit. What do you mean? He wore this one in Almost all of OG DB, Saiyan-Freeza arc and the Resurection F arc

Hence the quotation mark.

[Noah]

I wonder if this Watagash guy is a foe that Gohan would need go Super Saiyan to defeat

I still want to hope this isn't the last we saw of him and Gokû Black.

Me too. I hope he appears on U10 Team in the next arc

[Chuquita]

I wonder if this Watagash guy is a foe that Gohan would need go Super Saiyan to defeat

I still want to hope this isn't the last we saw of him and Gokû Black.

Me too. I hope he appears on U10 Team in the next arc

I'd enjoy seeing that. I feel odds are slim unfortunately though. (Even if I presume one or both of them survived somehow, I don't know if they'd be ok with being part of a team with 8 other people or if they'd be fine with it, but keep to themselves?)

[kinisking]

I wonder if this Watagash guy is a foe that Gohan would need go Super Saiyan to defeat

It says that they're given super human strength so I hope Gohan gets his first real battle as the great saiyaman.

[Bullza]

Can someone tell me what year they got up to by the Future Trunks saga. Age....what?

[ArchedThunder]

Can someone tell me what year they got up to by the Future Trunks saga. Age....what?

The present day stuff was presumably in age 780 and the future stuff was said to be "17 years in the future"

[Bullza]

That's the Dragon Ball Timeline wiki has it at but if Trunks went back to see the others in Age 788 and then 10 years were supposed to pass so the Future Trunks future events were in Age 798 then shouldn't the present timeline be Age 781?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

That's the Dragon Ball Timeline wiki has it at but if Trunks went back to see the others in Age 788 and then 10 years were supposed to pass so the Future Trunks future events were in Age 798 then shouldn't the present timeline be Age 781?

The ten year thing could be rounded though. I'm going to wait and see if Xenoverse (or another, future video game) date it. They're trustworthy enough.

[Zeru14]

According to Xenoverse 2, the return of Frieza takes place in 779.

[Grimlock]

According to Xenoverse 2, the return of Frieza takes place in 779.

The Volume F also states Movie 15 takes place in AGE 779. But that shouldn't be a question point though, as the presence of Pan in that movie tells us which year the movie happens.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

That's the Dragon Ball Timeline wiki has it at but if Trunks went back to see the others in Age 788 and then 10 years were supposed to pass so the Future Trunks future events were in Age 798 then shouldn't the present timeline be Age 781?

The ten year thing could be rounded though. I'm going to wait and see if Xenoverse (or another, future video game) date it. They're trustworthy enough.

I can't speak officially for the dates they haven't given (meaning post "F"), but bringing out an old measuring stick for what the anime portrays though and giving as low as estimate ranges as it as possible with all official info, we can still maybe be in AGE 780 in the main timeline and AGE 797 in Trunks':

This has been my rough timeline for Super's new version of events, based on the film's general placements and supplemental info.

[spoiler]

• May 9th, AGE 774
  --Majin Buu is defeated.
  • [Note: None needed.]
  August 16th - 17th, AGE 778
  --Videl becomes pregnant.
  • [Note: Pan is said to still be 4 years old by the time the 28th Tenka'ichi Budokai is held on May 7th, AGE 784. Assuming Videl has an exact 38 week pregnancy, this is the earliest point in which Videl may have become pregnant before the Super Saiyan God ritual. It's a very small window for this whole thing to work. Of course, not all pregnancies work out perfectly, so there could be a buffer of a couple of days.]
  August 18th, AGE 778
  --Hakaishin Beerus awakens and crashes Bluma's birthday party in search of the Super Saiyan God.
  • [Note: Bluma's birthday is from an old issue of Jump.]
  November, AGE 778
  --Vegeta convinces Whis to train him.
  • [Note: In Episode 17, Bluma says Whis usually comes around every 1-2 months. During Episode 16, Whis says it's been awhile since he last saw Vegeta and that he doesn't tire of Earth's food no matter how often he visits. So I'm assuming a decent amount of time has passed, so I'm saying around 3 months, with at least two visits.]
  May 8th - 9th, AGE 779
  --Gohan and Videl's daughter Pan is born.
  • [Note: Pan is said to still be 4 years old by the time the 28th Tenka'ichi Budokai is held at May 7th, AGE 784. Assuming Videl has an exact 38 week pregnancy, this is the latest that Pan can be born without being overdue. It's a very small window for this whole thing to work. Of course, not all pregnancies work out perfectly, so there could be a buffer of a couple of days.]
  June, AGE 779
  --It's discussed how Pan will be raised, and Goku learns Vegeta is training with Whis.
  • [Note: Bluma says that Vegeta has been gone for over half a year without coming home. Gohan also says that Pan isn't a newborn, and is able to hold her head up, which is something that happens around a month after their birth. The 7 month range stated here fits both requirements.]
  June - July, AGE 779
  --Goku convinces Whis to train him.
  • [Note: In Episode 17, Bluma says Whis usually comes around every 1-2 months. I'm going to assume it's one or less, for the sake of fitting everything else in the rest of the year.]
  July - August, AGE 779
  --Champa and Vados are searching for Super Dragon Balls.
  • [Note: Given the plot elements of the Champa Arc and the teases in the Super Start Guide (and a scene or two in the anime), they've been there since before the Beerus battle. This is the first time we actually see them though.]
  --Sorbet and Tagoma travel to Earth and resurrect Freeza with the Dragon Balls.
  • [Note: In conjunction with the below entry, this is as far back as we can go for Freeza's resurrection to not have happened yet in Super Episode #17, but still have room for him to train for 4 months. This can also mean the resurrection can happen a year after the events of the Beerus battle. So there could be no need to worry about the rules and logic for the Dragon Balls. This time.]
  October - December, AGE 779
  --Freeza arrives on Earth to carry out his revenge.
  • [Note: Freeza arrives ~4 months after his resurrection, so it's just the whole range.]
  --Champa meets up with Beerus, who is on his way to Earth for the dessert Bluma promised him and Whis.
  • [Note: Champa's second appearance in the anime.]
  July - August, AGE 780
  --Champa and Beerus agree to hold an Invitational Tournament for the fate of Earth.
  • [Note: The Dragon Balls are used to try and locate the last Super Dragon Ball, meaning this has to be at least a year after Freeza's resurrection.]
  July - December, AGE 780
  --Trunks arrives from the future seeking help from Goku and Vegeta to defeat Goku Black.
  • [Note: Nothing about the Future Trunks Arc implies it takes place a significant amount of time after the Hakaishin Invitational, however there doesn't seem to be much time passing between the end of the arc and Episode 68 either. The Shenlong being summoned in 68 could help with placement, but it depends on what the summoning back in the Champa Arc counts as. If a wish needs to be made for the orbs to require a recharge, then they could be used again right after. If a wish doesn't need to be granted and just a summoning counts, then it will probably take the minimum of 4 months to recharge and forcing the timeline to progress more than needed.]
  July, AGE 780 - ???
  --The two Zeno decide to hold their Tournament of Power, with the 12 Universes' existence on the line.
  • [Note: Once again, there doesn't seem to be anything in the manga tidbits we've seen about the Tournament of Power to imply it takes place any significant amount of time after the Future Trunks Arc, but just to be safe...]
  ~~~~
  May 7th, AGE 784
  --Goku meets Uub, Buu's reincarnation, at the 28th Tenka'ichi Budokai.
  • [Note: So long as the original ending isn't retconned out of existence, this is when it should take place..]

[/spoiler]
The manga adaptation doesn't include any of the extra Shenlong summonings (to find the Super Dragon Ball, to restore Kaio's life) implying time passage. So its events could even still be in AGE 779, shortly after Golden Freeza's defeat.

[emperior]

Isn't Super set 6 months after the wish to erase Buu memories? Why would Vegeta keep his promise 4 years later? And if you say only the first episodes take place 6 months after the wish then why would Bulma decide to make her birthday on a ship if she only does it 4 years late?
Only BoG was set 4 years after Buu's defeat and RoF is actually set 3 years after that so Toriyama has already retconned EoZ first by making that gap not so peaceful and then Bulma's line makes no longer sense.
I think that to fit DBS in that 10 year gap better they have decided to retcon Pan's age. Beerus Arc would happen around 1-1.5 years after Buu's death, maybe in Age 776.

I would like someone to correct me if I'm wrong though. By the way WSJ also stated Super takes place 6 months after Buu's death...

[Alruneia]

The manga adaptation doesn't include any of the extra Shenlong summonings (to find the Super Dragon Ball, to restore Kaio's life) implying time passage. So its events could even still be in AGE 779, shortly after Golden Freeza's defeat.

It's a very simple solution. If you worry about the timeline in Super to the point where it takes away from the viewing experience, look no further than to the manga, where the timeline problems don't exist. Well, they don't exist yet, anyway.

[Dai-Saiyajin]

Isn't Super set 6 months after the wish to erase Buu memories? Why would Vegeta keep his promise 4 years later? And if you say only the first episodes take place 6 months after the wish then why would Bulma decide to make her birthday on a ship if she only does it 4 years late?
Only BoG was set 4 years after Buu's defeat and RoF is actually set 3 years after that so Toriyama has already retconned EoZ first by making that gap not so peaceful and then Bulma's line makes no longer sense.
I think that to fit DBS in that 10 year gap better they have decided to retcon Pan's age. Beerus Arc would happen around 1-1.5 years after Buu's death, maybe in Age 776.

I would like someone to correct me if I'm wrong though. By the way WSJ also stated Super takes place 6 months after Buu's death...

I think this make more sense than the events of BoG, RoF and Champa arc be placed not in the Age 778,779 and 780 but on Age 775,776,777. It will be more simple to explain why Goten and Trunks didn't grow-up. Pan's age should be retconned from 4 to 8. This is simple to do, it's just show she counting her age with her fingers, showing her with both hands with the number 4.

The new timeline will like this

May 8th, AGE 774
--Majin Buu is defeated.
November, AGE 774
--Goku go to King Kai's planet to training
June, AGE 775
--Videl becomes pregnant.
August 18th, AGE 775
--Hakaishin Beerus awakens and crashes Bluma's birthday party in search of the Super Saiyan God.
November, AGE 775
--Vegeta convinces Whis to train him.
March, AGE 776
--Pan is born.
May, AGE 776
--Goku convinces Whis to train him.
August, AGE 776
--Champa and Vados are searching for Super Dragon Balls.
--Sorbet and Tagoma travel to Earth and resurrect Freeza with the Dragon Balls.
December, AGE 776
--Freeza arrives on Earth to carry out his revenge.
--Champa meets up with Beerus, who is on his way to Earth for the dessert Bluma promised him and Whis.
March, AGE 777
--Champa and Beerus agree to hold an Invitational Tournament for the fate of Earth.
July, AGE 777
--Trunks arrives from the future seeking help from Goku and Vegeta to defeat Goku Black.
November AGE 777
--Goku search for the Dragon Balls to ressurect King Kai
February, AGE 778 -
--The two Zeno decide to hold their Tournament of Power, with the 12 Universes' existence on the line.
May 7th, AGE 784
--Goku meets Uub, Buu's reincarnation, at the 28th Tenka'ichi Budokai.

[Bullza]

That's also kinda odd, Battle of Gods was supposed to be set 4 years after Buu but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the anime.

Nobody has aged. You could say Goten and Trunks didn't age because their Saiyans but Marron hasn't aged.

It took 4 years for Vegeta to finally take Trunks to the theme park?

It took 4 years for Mr Satan to get the money for defeating Buu and give it to Goku?

Didn't Goku make a comment about how Uub had only just been born?

The manga says that after Buu's defeat that days and months had passed by as opposed to months and years.

It does all seem as though it should take place within a year of Buu's defeat. It might be irrelevant but in the 2008 OVA which was supposed to be 2 years after Buu's defeat Goku's family has already been given the money from Mr Satan.

[HeroR]

That's also kinda odd, Battle of Gods was supposed to be set 4 years after Buu but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the anime.

Nobody has aged. You could say Goten and Trunks didn't age because their Saiyans but Marron hasn't aged.

It took 4 years for Vegeta to finally take Trunks to the theme park?

It took 4 years for Mr Satan to get the money for defeating Buu and give it to Goku?

Didn't Goku make a comment about how Uub had only just been born?

The manga says that after Buu's defeat that days and months had passed by as opposed to months and years.

It does all seem as though it should take place within a year of Buu's defeat. It might be irrelevant but in the 2008 OVA which was supposed to be 2 years after Buu's defeat Goku's family has already been given the money from Mr Satan.

No one aged in the movie either, which was specifically stated to take place four years after Buu.

I can see Vegeta taking his time to take Trunks to the theme park. It's Vegeta after all.

It was said in the show that the money was a long time coming and it really shouldn't have taken so long for Mr. Satan to be honored.

That was Vegeta who said that Uub would be a baby. Goku only said that Buu being reborn was promised to him.

The anime only said that 6 months went by to erased everyone's memories of Buu, then some time past. No specifically time frame giving.

The 2008 special is irrelevant since it isn't mentioned at all in Super, not even Tarble.

[emperior]

That's also kinda odd, Battle of Gods was supposed to be set 4 years after Buu but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the anime.

Nobody has aged. You could say Goten and Trunks didn't age because their Saiyans but Marron hasn't aged.

It took 4 years for Vegeta to finally take Trunks to the theme park?

It took 4 years for Mr Satan to get the money for defeating Buu and give it to Goku?

Didn't Goku make a comment about how Uub had only just been born?

The manga says that after Buu's defeat that days and months had passed by as opposed to months and years.

It does all seem as though it should take place within a year of Buu's defeat. It might be irrelevant but in the 2008 OVA which was supposed to be 2 years after Buu's defeat Goku's family has already been given the money from Mr Satan.

No one aged in the movie either, which was specifically stated to take place four years after Buu.

I can see Vegeta taking his time to take Trunks to the theme park. It's Vegeta after all.

It was said in the show that the money was a long time coming and it really shouldn't have taken so long for Mr. Satan to be honored.

That was Vegeta who said that Uub would be a baby. Goku only said that Buu being reborn was promised to him.

The anime only said that 6 months went by to erased everyone's memories of Buu, then some time past. No specifically time frame giving.

The 2008 special is irrelevant since it isn't mentioned at all in Super, not even Tarble.

It doesn't seem like Buu's defeat happened years before when Vegeta is training with the goal of surpassing Goku. It seems like Buu was only recently defeated and soon after it Satan received the prize and Gohan decided to marry Videl when both of them are still young like Goku also did. This is why no one is aging yet.
I think Toei left it way too vague though.

[kinisking]

That's also kinda odd, Battle of Gods was supposed to be set 4 years after Buu but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the anime.

Nobody has aged. You could say Goten and Trunks didn't age because their Saiyans but Marron hasn't aged.

It took 4 years for Vegeta to finally take Trunks to the theme park?

It took 4 years for Mr Satan to get the money for defeating Buu and give it to Goku?

Didn't Goku make a comment about how Uub had only just been born?

The manga says that after Buu's defeat that days and months had passed by as opposed to months and years.

It does all seem as though it should take place within a year of Buu's defeat. It might be irrelevant but in the 2008 OVA which was supposed to be 2 years after Buu's defeat Goku's family has already been given the money from Mr Satan.

No one aged in the movie either, which was specifically stated to take place four years after Buu.

I can see Vegeta taking his time to take Trunks to the theme park. It's Vegeta after all.

It was said in the show that the money was a long time coming and it really shouldn't have taken so long for Mr. Satan to be honored.

That was Vegeta who said that Uub would be a baby. Goku only said that Buu being reborn was promised to him.

The anime only said that 6 months went by to erased everyone's memories of Buu, then some time past. No specifically time frame giving.

The 2008 special is irrelevant since it isn't mentioned at all in Super, not even Tarble.

It doesn't seem like Buu's defeat happened years before when Vegeta is training with the goal of surpassing Goku. It seems like Buu was only recently defeated and soon after it Satan received the prize and Gohan decided to marry Videl when both of them are still young like Goku also did. This is why no one is aging yet.
I think Toei left it way too vague though.

That would make it incompatible with EOZ. Pam would be around 9 at the tournament then.

[emperior]

No one aged in the movie either, which was specifically stated to take place four years after Buu.

I can see Vegeta taking his time to take Trunks to the theme park. It's Vegeta after all.

It was said in the show that the money was a long time coming and it really shouldn't have taken so long for Mr. Satan to be honored.

That was Vegeta who said that Uub would be a baby. Goku only said that Buu being reborn was promised to him.

The anime only said that 6 months went by to erased everyone's memories of Buu, then some time past. No specifically time frame giving.

The 2008 special is irrelevant since it isn't mentioned at all in Super, not even Tarble.

It doesn't seem like Buu's defeat happened years before when Vegeta is training with the goal of surpassing Goku. It seems like Buu was only recently defeated and soon after it Satan received the prize and Gohan decided to marry Videl when both of them are still young like Goku also did. This is why no one is aging yet.
I think Toei left it way too vague though.

That would make it incompatible with EOZ. Pam would be around 9 at the tournament then.

She would be 8. It's all a mess tbh, it doesn't make sense if Super is set 4 years after Buu's defeat. Either Pan died and stayed dead for 4 years for whatever reason or EoZ should just be reanimated with the recent retcons.