"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Tai Lung]

And then people said he couldn't be an angel because of the color of his skin and his hair. The name was not suggestive enough to make Merus Angel's theory strong until a few chapters ago, when Toyotaro gave very clear evidence that this was true.

Merus is an angel in training, he was in danger of being erased because he was about to break the law of angels. I don't know how he is this "perfect being" that you said

why wasn't it? one thing is that the design may not be important as beerus and dyspo ... but the name of alcoholic beverage was already quite revealing not even bothered to hide it ...

he was never defeated ... or pretends to be injured to mislead the viewer
made no mistake regarding strategy
did not show a power limit
he know the ultra instinct

Of course, this can change later if his actions somehow cause some kind of "bad" in some direct or indirect way.

Dude shut up and quit pestering Rakurai unlike you he's always backed up his claims with factual evidence to support what he's arguing (Such as the Goku Black being Zamasu revelation)

He was the one who quoted me not to my lol I have already shown while he has taken things out of context
for that I would have to prove something that really has not done sincerely and I have instead shown that the clues with merus are seriously obvious .... so no .. nobody forces you to read me so continue .. I will not stop commenting just because you say so

and ....
https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/a ... hapter_43/
https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/wh ... s.1176812/

and if you cannot debate with respect then do not do it .. basic rules to be taken a comment in seriously

[Zarely]

I have a question, did Akira Toriyama have any involvement with this arc who is this purely all of Toyotaro's doing?

[Tai Lung]

I have a question, did Akira Toriyama have any involvement with this arc who is this purely all of Toyotaro's doing?

They are both working together ... and apparently Toriyama was in charge of the ideas important although it cannot be said that it was more than in previous stories

[Zarely]

I have a question, did Akira Toriyama have any involvement with this arc who is this purely all of Toyotaro's doing?

They are both working together ... and apparently Toriyama was in charge of the ideas important although it cannot be said that it was more than in previous stories

So is he doing less work over time so that Toyotaro can eventually replace him full stop?

[Tai Lung]

I have a question, did Akira Toriyama have any involvement with this arc who is this purely all of Toyotaro's doing?

They are both working together ... and apparently Toriyama was in charge of the ideas important although it cannot be said that it was more than in previous stories

So is he doing less work over time so that Toyotaro can eventually replace him full stop?

eventually that will happen ...

[Miracles]

Vegeta's ki and body were so out of balance that he couldn't fire off his attacks well. So when Vegeta was shocked that his casual finger gun turned into a huge blast, powerful enough to waste a city, he was surprised. This demonstration goes back to chapter 52. Where the Yardrat told him his training would grow his spirit [ki]. In turn making the Saiyan more powerful, as Vegeta exclaimed this chapter.

[Noitsnothim]

Vegeta's ki and body were so out of balance that he couldn't fire off his attacks well. So when Vegeta was shocked that his casual finger gun turned into a huge blast, powerful enough to waste a city, he was surprised. This demonstration goes back to chapter 52. Where the Yardrat told him his training would grow his spirit [ki]. In turn making the Saiyan more powerful, as Vegeta exclaimed this chapter.

the so out of balance part reminds me of chakra stuff

[VegettoEX]

Merus is also the name of a wine brand pff until the dog guesses it

Remember, the character's name is not "Merus" (rather, "Merus" just happens to be the transliteration that Viz uses); the character's name is メルス (merusu). We posted a thorough article discussing names of all known Galactic Patrol members a few months back, and this section may be worth re-reading (bolded emphasis my own):

Here at Kanzenshuu, we adapted this character’s name (メルス merusu) as “Merusu” because, following along with the above precedents and contemporary names, it is likely an anagram of cuttlefish / dried shredded squid, or 鯣 (surume) in Japanese. In the official Viz localization, the character’s name is spelled as “Merus”; as opposed to Viz cutting the trailing vowel sound, we kept it as-is due to its source as an anagram of a Japanese word.

The California winery Merus has been suggested by some fans as a possible source to indicate some type of heavenly connection for the character… but that is a specific winery, rather than a type of wine (or other alcohol) as would fit in line with other characters. If you search メルス with regard to wine in Japanese, you come across Melsheimer (メルスハイマー Merusuhaimā), a German family winery/estate, long before the California winery. There is some Latin etymology underneath the word “merus” referring to something undiluted or pure, especially wine… which is certainly neat, but remains a bit of a stretch.

Looking back over the entire history of the Dragon Ball franchise and the wide variety of name puns that have existed across all of its media, it seems extremely unlikely that Toriyama or Toyotarō would use a proper brand name as a name pun source.

It's quite clear that a name pun fitting with the Galactic Patrol was an intentional misdirection, and means the character's name will not fall in line with other, established name puns for his actual group/race. A similar thing has happened with Gowasu, though this was a case where he was introduced before the name pun scheme was established in the following arc.

This all being said, Tai Lung and Noitsnothim: your recent posts here are needlessly antagonistic, and do not fall in line with the Kanzenshuu community standards. If your posting style does not immediately change, strikes will be issued against your accounts. This is not something to strive for.

[Tai Lung]

Merus is also the name of a wine brand pff until the dog guesses it

Remember, the character's name is not "Merus" (rather, "Merus" just happens to be the transliteration that Viz uses); the character's name is メルス (merusu). We posted a thorough article discussing names of all known Galactic Patrol members a few months back, and this section may be worth re-reading (bolded emphasis my own):

Here at Kanzenshuu, we adapted this character’s name (メルス merusu) as “Merusu” because, following along with the above precedents and contemporary names, it is likely an anagram of cuttlefish / dried shredded squid, or 鯣 (surume) in Japanese. In the official Viz localization, the character’s name is spelled as “Merus”; as opposed to Viz cutting the trailing vowel sound, we kept it as-is due to its source as an anagram of a Japanese word.

The California winery Merus has been suggested by some fans as a possible source to indicate some type of heavenly connection for the character… but that is a specific winery, rather than a type of wine (or other alcohol) as would fit in line with other characters. If you search メルス with regard to wine in Japanese, you come across Melsheimer (メルスハイマー Merusuhaimā), a German family winery/estate, long before the California winery. There is some Latin etymology underneath the word “merus” referring to something undiluted or pure, especially wine… which is certainly neat, but remains a bit of a stretch.

Looking back over the entire history of the Dragon Ball franchise and the wide variety of name puns that have existed across all of its media, it seems extremely unlikely that Toriyama or Toyotarō would use a proper brand name as a name pun source.

It's quite clear that a name pun fitting with the Galactic Patrol was an intentional misdirection, and means the character's name will not fall in line with other, established name puns for his actual group/race. A similar thing has happened with Gowasu, though this was a case where he was introduced before the name pun scheme was established in the following arc.

This all being said, Tai Lung and Noitsnothim: your recent posts here are needlessly antagonistic, and do not fall in line with the Kanzenshuu community standards. If your posting style does not immediately change, strikes will be issued against your accounts. This is not something to strive for.

ok it was nice information

I understand but I was not the one who started this ... I did not even debate with him and throughout the time I am in the forum I have maintained respect with others just as clarification

[Miracles]

Vegeta's ki and body were so out of balance that he couldn't fire off his attacks well. So when Vegeta was shocked that his casual finger gun turned into a huge blast, powerful enough to waste a city, he was surprised. This demonstration goes back to chapter 52. Where the Yardrat told him his training would grow his spirit [ki]. In turn making the Saiyan more powerful, as Vegeta exclaimed this chapter.

the so out of balance part reminds me of chakra stuff

Yeah. Toriyama did state in an interview, Ki control is key into increasing ones strength.
Toyotaro is keeping everything under Toriyama authority.

[The Undying]

Hi all! I'm going to make my final post here in the Super manga thread since it was where I posted the most before I was unfairly terminated.

I'm Marlowe89 -- several months ago, around April/May, I was banned for supposedly having an "alternate account", even though I've never registered with an alternate account during my entire time here at Kanzenshuu until now. I'd politely reached out to the staff on multiple occasions in an effort to resolve this issue (with each time being weeks, sometimes months apart, the first three times by email and then finally via Twitter) only to be ignored with each and every attempt. That honestly sucks, because I looked up to the staff and admired their moderation of this forum quite a bit during the several years I've been posting here.

I suppose I technically am in violation of their registration policy now since I had to create another account to post this, but 1.) I just wanted to give everyone a fair warning in case a situation like this ever happens to them (and I sincerely hope it doesn't), and 2.) I want you all to know I've genuinely enjoyed my time here and will miss all the people I've had countless Dragon Ball discussions with. You guys are awesome.

As for the arc itself, I feel like it's improved a fair bit since its initial rocky start, but I still don't think the quality is quite where it needs to be. The pacing is still often pointlessly slow, there are fights that either don't provide much meaning to the characters or are stretched out more than they should have been, and Moro has become painfully uninteresting since his introduction. I'm starting to warm up to Merus now, and I'm glad to see Toyotaro handling the protagonists in ways that benefit their progression throughout the series. I look forward to seeing how it all concludes.

Wishing you all a happy farewell since I'll probably never be able to converse with any of you again. It's been a fun ride, and I hope you have a great holiday!

[Sherlock Holmes]

I liked this chapter very much. I also love the insane character development Vegeta has been going thought since the buu saga. I understand many people don’t like the idea of Vegeta changing so much, but it’s not like a “hitting my head as an infant changing personality” big. Vegeta and Goku has definitely grown strong. The chief of the Yardrats (the guy teaching Vegeta) also confirms that Vegeta has gotten “leaps and bounds” stronger than when he started training. I don’t really know if that means base Vegeta is now stronger than Mastered SSGSS, and I sincerely hope it’s not (thus avoiding the same crappy mistake super did with RoF power boost). The Yardrat chief is perhaps able to sense Vegeta’s true power even without Vegeta needing to go blue. Also, doesn’t that mean that now Vegeta (and even Goku) are now significantly stronger than their DBS movie counterparts? Thus making ToP cry in shame? Also also also. Shouldn’t know the manga be stronger than the anime, since Gogeta and Broly were the strongest characters prior to their introduction? Goku, if he hits Ultra Instinct completed again, and noticing how much he has improved, wouldn’t that make him undoubtedly stronger than Beerus?

[Miracles]

Hi all! I'm going to make my final post here in the Super manga thread since it was where I posted the most before I was unfairly terminated.

I'm Marlowe89 -- several months ago, around April/May, I was banned for supposedly having an "alternate account", even though I've never registered with an alternate account during my entire time here at Kanzenshuu until now. I'd politely reached out to the staff on multiple occasions in an effort to resolve this issue (with each time being weeks, sometimes months apart, the first three times by email and then finally via Twitter) only to be ignored with each and every attempt. That honestly sucks, because I looked up to the staff and admired their moderation of this forum quite a bit during the several years I've been posting here.

I suppose I technically am in violation of their registration policy now since I had to create another account to post this, but 1.) I just wanted to give everyone a fair warning in case a situation like this ever happens to them (and I sincerely hope it doesn't), and 2.) I want you all to know I've genuinely enjoyed my time here and will miss all the people I've had countless Dragon Ball discussions with. You guys are awesome.

As for the arc itself, I feel like it's improved a fair bit since its initial rocky start, but I still don't think the quality is quite where it needs to be. The pacing is still often pointlessly slow, there are fights that either don't provide much meaning to the characters or are stretched out more than they should have been, and Moro has become painfully uninteresting since his introduction. I'm starting to warm up to Merus now, and I'm glad to see Toyotaro handling the protagonists in ways that benefit their progression throughout the series. I look forward to seeing how it all concludes.

Wishing you all a happy farewell since I'll probably never be able to converse with any of you again. It's been a fun ride, and I hope you have a great holiday!

Hey, Marlowe! I was wondering what happened to you! I miss the discussions my man.
Hey, can we let Marlowe post here VegettoEX? Please privately address his pleas in correspondence to Marlowe.

It would be much appreciated.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Vegeta's ki and body were so out of balance that he couldn't fire off his attacks well. So when Vegeta was shocked that his casual finger gun turned into a huge blast, powerful enough to waste a city, he was surprised. This demonstration goes back to chapter 52. Where the Yardrat told him his training would grow his spirit [ki]. In turn making the Saiyan more powerful, as Vegeta exclaimed this chapter.

the so out of balance part reminds me of chakra stuff

Yeah. Toriyama did state in an interview, Ki control is key into increasing ones strength.
Toyotaro is keeping everything under Toriyama authority.

I’m calling it. Toyo is making sure Vegeta balances his mind and body so he can get Ultra Instinct later on. If he doesn’t, even better

[batistabus]

One more thing for now:

Assuming Merus is no longer a member of the Galactic Patrol (who knows, maybe he'll renounce his angel status and be permitted to continue serving), there will be 104 "sectors" left unsupervised. Since Jaco was assigned to the mission that will inevitably be a success (and is responsible for the earth combatants that'll make it happen) I'm thinking an overwhelming promotion might be in his future??

On that note, I'd be all about a Jaco (& Irico) Galactic Patrol 100+ sector adventures spin-off...

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Sorry to hear that. Hopefully something can be worked out.

[Kinokima]

I honestly don’t want Vegeta to get UI. I am kind of tired of him getting everything after Goku. I hope they continue with this individual paths for Vegeta and Goku.

Vegeta is never going to surpass Goku but let him have his own unique strengths and skills.

[Miracles]

I honestly don’t want Vegeta to get UI. I am kind of tired of him getting everything after Goku. I hope they continue with this individual paths for Vegeta and Goku.

Vegeta is never going to surpass Goku but let him have his own unique strengths and skills.

I hope Toyotaro builds off of Vegeta's speech about being solo from the TOP.
Vegeta pretty much declared UI as a waste on him and he would get stronger his own way.

[TKA]

Words

Hey mods, get on this one.

Marlowe was good people and always had posts of merit, be they in textual analysis of the manga or explaining the institutionalized differences between how society treats men and women in the Vic Mcnognog thread. The community loses by not having him around.

[Sherlock Holmes]

I honestly don’t want Vegeta to get UI. I am kind of tired of him getting everything after Goku. I hope they continue with this individual paths for Vegeta and Goku.

Vegeta is never going to surpass Goku but let him have his own unique strengths and skills.

I hope Toyotaro builds off of Vegeta's speech about being solo from the TOP.
Vegeta pretty much declared UI as a waste on him and he would get stronger his own way.

Well, Vegeta is also training to better control his spirit and his mind, which are also requirements to activate Ultra Instinct. Now, Idk where Toyo is going with this, but Vegeta getting UI ain’t far fetched, especially if the technique itself is the epitome of power. Vegeta would be a lesser fighter in comparison to Goku if he ends up not getting it. Unless Vegeta can rival or surpass Ultra Instinct without the need of actually getting it. Which I could see happening

[Miracles]

I honestly don’t want Vegeta to get UI. I am kind of tired of him getting everything after Goku. I hope they continue with this individual paths for Vegeta and Goku.

Vegeta is never going to surpass Goku but let him have his own unique strengths and skills.

I hope Toyotaro builds off of Vegeta's speech about being solo from the TOP.
Vegeta pretty much declared UI as a waste on him and he would get stronger his own way.

Well, Vegeta is also training to better control his spirit and his mind, which are also requirements to activate Ultra Instinct. Now, Idk where Toyo is going with this, but Vegeta getting UI ain’t far fetched, especially if the technique itself is the epitome of power. Vegeta would be a lesser fighter in comparison to Goku if he ends up not getting it. Unless Vegeta can rival or surpass Ultra Instinct without the need of actually getting it. Which I could see happening

I agree. The principles of Vegeta's Yardrat training are similar to UI's.
It wouldn't be outlandish to say that Vegeta comes upon it involuntary.

Edit: However, I just forgot, that even if Vegeta is learning to control his spirit [ki] it does not exactly translate to him learning UI.
1) UI is all about mastering the emotions of the mind. It's not about raising/controlling battle power [Ki/spirit].
2) Even if Vegeta was mastering his mind in the same way UI does, it wouldn't allow him to gain UI.For the fact that Vegeta has to control his emotions in the face of Shock!!!

The training Goku and Vegeta are doing now are different.
So I believe Vegeta will not gain UI with this training based on what the story has given us.