Beers needed 70% to stay ahead of SSG Goku. SSj3 Vegetto would take down Beers 140% then...TheGmGoken wrote:Everyone has their opinion on what''s awesome that's why I said it. The word he should have said is respectful. Also courteous and respectful means the same thing or almost the same thing. Back on topic as I said before SSj3 Vegito is 2x stronger then SSG Goku in my opinion. If Vegito(SSJ3) use a strong attack such as Kamehameha,Final kamehameha, or Final Flash then his power would increase to the point it will injure Birshu at least 83%Kaboom wrote:What isn't "awesome" about a community that doesn't allow its members to be act like dicks towards each other?TheGmGoken wrote:No disrespect but awesome is not the word.
Honestly, there's no reason to not be courteous and respectful when in discussions with your peers, even within more "controversial" topics.
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Yeah I confused myself. I knew my math was wrong. My mistake. Let me fix that.
SSJ3 Vegito is slightly stronger then Goku SSG. If SSG Goku is 25 then Vegito(Ssj3) is 27 or 28. Thanks for pointing out my mistake
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SSJ3 Vegito is slightly stronger then Goku SSG. If SSG Goku is 25 then Vegito(Ssj3) is 27 or 28. Thanks for pointing out my mistake
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Bills is actually stronger than all of GT based on his feats.
1. Confirmed Solar System busters, possible galaxy buster.
2. He moves FTL.
SSJG Goku and Billas> SSJ4 Gogeta off feats.
1. Confirmed Solar System busters, possible galaxy buster.
2. He moves FTL.
SSJG Goku and Billas> SSJ4 Gogeta off feats.
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I have Birshu as a galaxy buster not a Solar system one. As he's much stronger then Cell who was a solar buster.miguelnuva1 wrote:Bills is actually stronger than all of GT based on his feats.
1. Confirmed Solar System busters, possible galaxy buster.
2. He moves FTL.
SSJG Goku and Billas> SSJ4 Gogeta off feats.
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Saying the Solar System will disappear in a blink of an eye doesn't constitute a Solar System busting feat... FTL also isn't provable. Cell is not a Galaxy buster 
. He is at most a Solar System buster and that's likely not exactly the case. I think Cell can blow the Sun causing a solar collapse.
. He is at most a Solar System buster and that's likely not exactly the case. I think Cell can blow the Sun causing a solar collapse.Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Opps. I fixed it. I change it to solar. It was a mis spell as I was thinking of Birshu.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Saying the Solar System will disappear in a blink of an eye doesn't constitute a Solar System busting feat... FTL also isn't provable. Cell is not a Galaxy buster
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Goku knows Super Vegetto's power (since Goku was Vegetto), and since Goku is familiar with Super Saiyan 3, he should have an estimation of Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto's full power. However, when Goku transformed into a Super Saiyan God, he said that he didn't know there was a realm of power like this, which IMO implies that Super Saiyan God Goku is on a whole different level from Vegetto.TheGmGoken wrote:I'll say Super Saiyan God is 2 - 4x stronger then Vegito(Super). So that means he's above SSJ2 Vegito. I then think SSJ3 Vegito is slightly above to SSJ God using that logic. Since 2x SSJ vegito is SSJ2 Vegito. That means if SS God is 4x stronger then SSJ Vegito....SSj3 Vegito is 2x stronger then SSG Goku. Birshu would use about 72 - 75% to fight SSJ3 Vegito.
SP Cell could destroy the Solar System as well. But why do you think he can destroy a galaxy?miguelnuva1 wrote:1. Confirmed Solar System busters, possible galaxy buster.
What?miguelnuva1 wrote:2. He moves FTL.
But I agree that Beers is stronger than SS4 Gogeta.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Bills moved from King Kai's planet to the Earth with just his speed then I believe it was said he and God Goku were fighting at FTL.
Also Cell was a Solar System buster by chain reaction, Kid Buu's attack as well as Gohan blocking the solar KHH didn't destroy the solar system.
Finaly Bills is stated somewhere to be a Galaxy buster.
Also Cell was a Solar System buster by chain reaction, Kid Buu's attack as well as Gohan blocking the solar KHH didn't destroy the solar system.
Finaly Bills is stated somewhere to be a Galaxy buster.
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Shunkan Idou probably. Travel speed doesn't constitute combat speed. Nothing states Beers and Goku are fighting at FTL speeds. Kid Buu is never stated to be a Solar System buster in general in the manga. Cell would likely just destroy the Sun causing a solar collapse. Beers might be a solar system buster power scaling-wise but it's in no way confirmed.miguelnuva1 wrote:Bills moved from King Kai's planet to the Earth with just his speed then I believe it was said he and God Goku were fighting at FTL.
Also Cell was a Solar System buster by chain reaction, Kid Buu's attack as well as Gohan blocking the solar KHH didn't destroy the solar system.
Finaly Bills is stated somewhere to be a Galaxy buster.
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miguelnuva1 wrote:Bills moved from King Kai's planet to the Earth with just his speed
No, he & Whis teleported.
Nope. Not from what I know.I believe it was said he and God Goku were fighting at FTL.
Whis said that Beers would destroy the Solar System in the trailer, but it was cut from the movie. I don't recall anything about destroying a galaxy with one attack.miguelnuva1 wrote:Finaly Bills is stated somewhere to be a Galaxy buster.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Wiss and Bills never teleported. If they could I think Bills would have used it against the Instant transmission.
I also know in the BOG trailer Bills is stated a galaxy buster and in the movie Wiss says Bills could destroy the entire solar system in an instance.
I also know in the BOG trailer Bills is stated a galaxy buster and in the movie Wiss says Bills could destroy the entire solar system in an instance.
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I don't recall teleporting being mentioned at all when Birus and Uis were moving. In the summary Kaio mentions Birus is on his way and right for them. In the fight Goku teleports to keep up with Birus, if Birus could teleport then he would have done so (all that's mentioned is that Goku teleports to keep up with Birus' increased speed). Birus while not even trying also moves so fast that Goku in SSJ3 is practically motionless. I ain't saying he's light speed because I don't know for sure.
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Whis teleported. Why would Beers do something Whis did? No, the trailer never said Galaxy buster. Piccolo simply states the entire Galaxy could be destroyed which is a standard statement in DBZ. Whis' statement could simply be hyperbole.miguelnuva1 wrote:Wiss and Bills never teleported. If they could I think Bills would have used it against the Instant transmission.
I also know in the BOG trailer Bills is stated a galaxy buster and in the movie Wiss says Bills could destroy the entire solar system in an instance.
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When did Uis teleport? The summary never mentions it. The summary ends with it saying Uis and Birus depart into space. I don't think that mean teleporting. And as mentioned above if Birus could teleport e never does in the fight.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Whis teleported. Why would Beers do something Whis did? No, the trailer never said Galaxy buster. Piccolo simply states the entire Galaxy could be destroyed which is a standard statement in DBZ. Whis' statement could simply be hyperbole.miguelnuva1 wrote:Wiss and Bills never teleported. If they could I think Bills would have used it against the Instant transmission.
I also know in the BOG trailer Bills is stated a galaxy buster and in the movie Wiss says Bills could destroy the entire solar system in an instance.
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Teleportation is the only way to go from the AfterLife to the Living World. It's impossible to travel from the AfterLife to the Living World normally, since Hell is in the way.
And we have seen that Whis & Beers can teleport (I think the ability belongs to Whis?), so they did teleport.
And we have seen that Whis & Beers can teleport (I think the ability belongs to Whis?), so they did teleport.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I'm not saying your wrong, but when did we see teleportation. It's never mentioned in the summary at all.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Teleportation is the only way to go from the AfterLife to the Living World. It's impossible to travel from the AfterLife to the Living World normally, since Hell is in the way.
And we have seen that Whis & Beers can teleport (I think the ability belongs to Whis?), so they did teleport.
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I don't know if we see them teleporting, but teleportation is the only way to travel from the AfterLife to the Living World.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I don't remember that being mentioned either. Though it would make sense if that was the case.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I don't know if we see them teleporting, but teleportation is the only way to travel from the AfterLife to the Living World.
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teleporting or traveling faster than light.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I don't know if we see them teleporting, but teleportation is the only way to travel from the AfterLife to the Living World.
Bills is truly the first thing we ever see in DBZ that normal rules don't apply to.
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There is a reason I posted the map above. Between the AfterLife & the Living World is only Hell, and we know that Hell is inescapable (in the manga).dbzfan7 wrote:I don't remember that being mentioned either.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I don't know if we see them teleporting, but teleportation is the only way to travel from the AfterLife to the Living World.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.