Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:11 pm

Kendamu wrote:If it does turn enough of a profit and a sequel is made hopefully the people behind it are given the freedom to stay more true to the source material.

I'm not sure lack of such freedom was the problem, here, though...

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:18 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:
Kendamu wrote:If it does turn enough of a profit and a sequel is made hopefully the people behind it are given the freedom to stay more true to the source material.
I'm not sure lack of such freedom was the problem, here, though...

The podcast reviewing the movie leads me to suspect halfassery due to having almost no creative freedoms where they count.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:26 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:
Kendamu wrote:If it does turn enough of a profit and a sequel is made hopefully the people behind it are given the freedom to stay more true to the source material.
I'm not sure lack of such freedom was the problem, here, though...

Actually, according to Ramsey it was a huge factor.

He, like most screenwriters adapting something, had to juggle between pleasing the studio, the fans, and the general public. Originally, the screenplay was incredibly faithful, with Oolong and Puar and Pilaf and all the woodland critters (lol). But as time went on, with studio demands and so on he had to create the screenplay we have today. And that didn't even make it into the movie fully.

At least 2 major action sequences in the final script were cut out. Probably because of budget constraints.

One of them is Goku fighting the Oozaru (in a dream sequence), one is Mai vs. Yamcha, Bulma, and Goku (happens in the volcano and its a big sequence with a jetpack), and another is the huge fist-fight with Piccolo and Goku. I don't understand why that last one was cut, because evidence shows they filmed it.

The movie's story was probably confusing and a mess to some because they also cut out important pieces that tie the story together. Maybe to save them for a sequel. It's revealed by Piccolo that Goku is a Saiyan in the script, but in the movie that's not present. Roshi also explains that Piccolo is a namek in the script, but that's also cut out. I could go on but you get the point.

I wouldn't entirely blame it on Ramsey, in fact if anyone blame it on Fox and the editors.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:47 pm

I think this movie was just to get the original Dragonball out of the way, since a DBZ movie would be more popular.

Although, personally, I would've done DBZ first, and then just made a prequel.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:53 pm

JAPPO wrote:He, like most screenwriters adapting something, had to juggle between pleasing the studio, the fans, and the general public. Originally, the screenplay was incredibly faithful

This is me being dubious.
Any source and details about this "incredibly faithful screenplay"?

as time went on, with studio demands and so on he had to create the screenplay we have today. And that didn't even make it into the movie fully.

From what I've heard/seen, I'd want even less, not more.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:47 pm

Big Momma wrote:I think this movie was just to get the original Dragonball out of the way, since a DBZ movie would be more popular.

Although, personally, I would've done DBZ first, and then just made a prequel.

They should have skipped Dragonball all together, I am waiting on Vegeta and Super Saiyans.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:27 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:They should have skipped Dragonball all together, I am waiting on Vegeta and Super Saiyans.

Vegeta I can understand, but Super Saiyans... why?

Versus...

The anime's take on the Super Saiyan makes them all ugly and generic. I will never understand why they're so popular in comparison to the far more visually appealing base forms. The heavily reliance on the Super Saiyan form is the single greatest failing of the series.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:43 pm

Dr. Casey wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:They should have skipped Dragonball all together, I am waiting on Vegeta and Super Saiyans.
Vegeta I can understand, but Super Saiyans... why?

Versus...

The anime's take on the Super Saiyan makes them all ugly and generic. I will never understand why they're so popular in comparison to the far more visually appealing base forms. The heavily reliance on the Super Saiyan form is the single greatest failing of the series.

They are super and shiny and does really cool stuff with an eerie aura noise in the background that is why. In cinema, we all ready have precedence for glowing Kung-Fu, Karate guys.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:58 pm

I don't want them to rush into things like Super Saiyan. There's other ways to make good stories and build up to it all. If you ask me, Goku becoming the Super Saiyan and taking down Freeza would be a great end to the movie series.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:02 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:I don't want them to rush into things like Super Saiyan. There's other ways to make good stories and build up to it all. If you ask me, Goku becoming the Super Saiyan and taking down Freeza would be a great end to the movie series.

Uhh that means no Super Saiyan Vegeta. If Foxx would go that route I will join the “Dragonball Fan League of Complainers”.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:36 am

Dr. Casey wrote:The anime's take on the Super Saiyan makes them all ugly and generic.

He says while posting pictures of a character that looks exactly the same as three previous characters.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:38 am

I do have to at least give the movie makers for starting with Dragonball- even as much as they altered the story.... you need some understanding of Dragonball to understand DBZ. Everyone remembers the way FUNi did things and how little those of us who were introduced that way understood what was going on with the vast majority of the characters, or who all of these people were or why they knew each other. Starting with DB means they were at least trying to establish things.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:52 am

Rocketman wrote:He says while posting pictures of a character that looks exactly the same as three previous characters.

Three previous characters? I thought Goten only looks borderline identical to Kid Goku?

In any case, Goten's not ugly, which is the key here. I find his design very crisp, clean, and appealing. I'd be okay with the Super Saiyans looking so similar if they weren't ugly and boring as sin.

Everyone remembers the way FUNi did things and how little those of us who were introduced that way understood what was going on with the vast majority of the characters, or who all of these people were or why they knew each other.

Indeed. Though, the lack of any sort of context is part of what made the show so oddly appealing. I knew there was some previous material before the arrival of Radditz, and it was extremely tantalizing. It made me wonder what history these characters had, or what roles these seemingly useless characters (Master Roshi, Puar, Oolong, etc) played in the past.

B · Post by B » Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:04 am

Tullece and Bardock, Dr.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:07 am

Most of us didn't know though hon. Kids just turning on the tv watching for the first time? We had no idea what was going on.

Even now, watching the DB stuff unfortunately it feels almost anticlimactic. Because.... We know everything that's going to happen so it doesn't have the same kind of dramatic effect it would have initially when something like, Daimaou killing Shenlong happening.

And he meand Burdock, Son and Turles.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:21 am

Dr. Casey wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:They should have skipped Dragonball all together, I am waiting on Vegeta and Super Saiyans.
Vegeta I can understand, but Super Saiyans... why?

Though I'm glad they didn't skip Dragonball, I too am very excited to see how Fox handles Super Saiya-jins. I know they will take some major shortcut(s) (though somewhat understandably due to budgets), I'm just wondering if it will be through the hair, the aura or the overall increase in fighting ability.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:31 am

To quote... Rocketman, I believe, "Super Saiyan is THE face of DragonBall in the West."

So long as the future movies are being made by an American studio, you can count on there being little or no changes made to the appearance and characteristics of Super Saiyan. It'd be like making Superman a redhead with a green jumpsuit.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:52 pm

Was it ever confirmed that the American version of the movie will be longer than the Japanese cut?

Bura · Post by **Bura** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:55 pm

The Japanese one was 85 minutes right? So I think it's true considering even the treaters here list it as 100 minutes long.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:04 pm

Netflix finally updatedtheir cover image for DBE:

It's the first result when you search "Dragon ball" and "Dragonball".