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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by Saiga » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:10 pm

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He was dead but could be revived and Bulma knew that. She spent the entire namek trip thinking of getting together with other men. She wanted Zarbon and didn't just fawn over his appearance. She's done this many other times in the series.

You bring them up "Character B sucks" into various unrelated conversations whenever they're mentioned here.

What your doing right now is ranting about their fans right now. Again, you have said multiple times they're canonly failures and horrible people in your mind. The thing is, no ones interested in hearing what you think of them yet again and its just annoying.
She did just fawn over his appearance. Bulma's never done anything more than fawn. And this is all completely irrelevant to Yamcha's cheating anyway.

Not as often as you say. And calling them "horrible people" is a joke, an exaggeration. I would've thought that would be obvious. Once again, you're in no position to speak for the majority, and there's no need for you to keep replying. I'm not ranting about their fans, I'm responding to one who is attacking me over nothing.
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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by Ninja Murasaki » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:13 pm

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He was dead but could be revived and Bulma knew that. She spent the entire namek trip thinking of getting together with other men. She wanted Zarbon and didn't just fawn over his appearance. She's done this many other times in the series.

You bring them up "Character B sucks" into various unrelated conversations whenever they're mentioned here.

What your doing right now is ranting about their fans right now. Again, you have said multiple times they're canonly failures and horrible people in your mind. The thing is, no ones interested in hearing what you think of them yet again and its just annoying.
She did just fawn over his appearance. Bulma's never done anything more than fawn. And this is all completely irrelevant to Yamcha's cheating anyway.

Not as often as you say. And calling them "horrible people" is a joke, an exaggeration. I would've thought that would be obvious. Once again, you're in no position to speak for the majority, and there's no need for you to keep replying. I'm not ranting about their fans, I'm responding to one who is attacking me over nothing.
She stated herself, she would cheat on Yamcha early in the series if given the chance. She spent the namek trip thinking about how she should've hooked up with Goku or how she should hook up with Zarbon. She was not faithful to Yamcha right from the beginning, so if anything his cheating was a response to her actions.

Whenever, they're mentioned it seems like you have to go off about them or how they're fans are delusional. Again, why not just stop ranting about them and how you think they suck?

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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by Saiga » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:19 pm

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She stated herself, she would cheat on Yamcha early in the series if given the chance. She spent the namek trip thinking about how she should've hooked up with Goku or how she should hook up with Zarbon. She was not faithful to Yamcha right from the beginning, so if anything his cheating was a response to her actions.

Whenever, they're mentioned it seems like you have to go off about them or how they're fans are delusional. Again, why not just stop ranting about them and how you think they suck?
No, that's you twisting her words. And that's a poor justification for Yamcha's cheating - she though about other guys, so she's horrible, which makes actual cheating acceptable? Sorry, but no. Even if she had cheated herself, two wrongs don't make a right.

No, I don't. You're twisting my words once again. I don't rant about them and how I think they suck. I may joke about it, but I can't help it if people are going to continue to take that the wrong way.

Finally, of your posts, I see two that aren't defending the humans or attacking Bulma. So I don't think I'm the one with a problem here.
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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by Ninja Murasaki » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:24 pm

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She stated herself, she would cheat on Yamcha early in the series if given the chance. She spent the namek trip thinking about how she should've hooked up with Goku or how she should hook up with Zarbon. She was not faithful to Yamcha right from the beginning, so if anything his cheating was a response to her actions.

Whenever, they're mentioned it seems like you have to go off about them or how they're fans are delusional. Again, why not just stop ranting about them and how you think they suck?
No, that's you twisting her words. And that's a poor justification for Yamcha's cheating - she though about other guys, so she's horrible, which makes actual cheating acceptable? Sorry, but no. Even if she had cheated herself, two wrongs don't make a right.

No, I don't. You're twisting my words once again. I don't rant about them and how I think they suck. I may joke about it, but I can't help it if people are going to continue to take that the wrong way.

Finally, of your posts, I see two that aren't defending the humans or attacking Bulma. So I don't think I'm the one with a problem here.
Twisting her words? Bulma outright stated in DragonBall she would cheat on Yamcha even when called out on it. She didn't think about them, she thought, and tried to hook up with them, and didn't care when this was pointed as dishonest. You keep on using this subject as an excuse to demonize or bash Yamcha, when as constantly shown she was unfaithful to him too, if not more so.

You joke about it in a unfunny manner, do it all the time, rant about their fans, and say with utter seriousness they're canonly failures. Thats not in good humor.

I lurk a lot, but I do get annoyed when you start derailing threads about your hate for fictional characters. Why not try not bringing them up and how they suck when ever they're mentioned?

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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by Saiga » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:31 pm

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Twisting her words? Bulma outright stated in DragonBall she would cheat on Yamcha even when called out on it. She didn't think about them, she thought, and tried to hook up with them, and didn't care when this was pointed as dishonest. You keep on using this subject as an excuse to demonize or bash Yamcha, when as constantly shown she was unfaithful to him too, if not more so.

You joke about it in a unfunny manner, do it all the time, rant about their fans, and say with utter seriousness they're canonly failures. Thats not in good humor.

I lurk a lot, but I do get annoyed when you start derailing threads about your hate for fictional characters. Why not try not bringing them up and how they suck when ever they're mentioned?
No she didn't say that. She didn't even confirm that she was still with him, rather she implied the opposite. And as I've said, two wrongs don't make a right, so this is completely irrelevant. And I'm not demonizing or bashing Yamcha - all I'm doing is saying that he cheated. Which is what the story and Akira Toriyama tells us. I'm merely repeating a fact.

Humour is subjective. With you attacking me so fiercely, I don't care that you don't appreciate my brand of humour.

Because as I said, I'm not going to walk on eggshells. Why don't you just not constantly try to step in and defend them? As I've mentioned, you can easily block my posts from your view.
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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by matt0044 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:36 pm

To get back on topic: I never want to hear how Kai's dub was changed from the Z dub when FUNi was translating from scratch with little basis (outside names and certain terms) from the overall dub script of DBZ. It seems to be due to dub fans knowing little of the JPN version (due to Goku's "girly" voice and whatnot).

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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by Ninja Murasaki » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:36 pm

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Twisting her words? Bulma outright stated in DragonBall she would cheat on Yamcha even when called out on it. She didn't think about them, she thought, and tried to hook up with them, and didn't care when this was pointed as dishonest. You keep on using this subject as an excuse to demonize or bash Yamcha, when as constantly shown she was unfaithful to him too, if not more so.

You joke about it in a unfunny manner, do it all the time, rant about their fans, and say with utter seriousness they're canonly failures. Thats not in good humor.

I lurk a lot, but I do get annoyed when you start derailing threads about your hate for fictional characters. Why not try not bringing them up and how they suck when ever they're mentioned?
No she didn't say that. She didn't even confirm that she was still with him, rather she implied the opposite. And as I've said, two wrongs don't make a right, so this is completely irrelevant. And I'm not demonizing or bashing Yamcha - all I'm doing is saying that he cheated. Which is what the story and Akira Toriyama tells us. I'm merely repeating a fact.

Humour is subjective. With you attacking me so fiercely, I don't care that you don't appreciate my brand of humour.

Because as I said, I'm not going to walk on eggshells. Why don't you just not constantly try to step in and defend them? As I've mentioned, you can easily block my posts from your view.
She stated if Jackie Chun was handsome she would go for him, when Oolong and Puar brought up Yamcha, she said smart girls look for new opportunities. That shows her as unfaithful from the beginning, so I'm merely repeating a fact shown in the series.

Because you bring it up whenever they're mentioned. If your "jokes" had actually been funny and said at the right time, no one would mind.

Because you're bringing them up all the time and its annoying. Why not tell how much you dislike them on humor sites or to your friends rather then here?

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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by Saiga » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:41 pm

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She stated if Jackie Chun was handsome she would go for him, when Oolong and Puar brought up Yamcha, she said smart girls look for new opportunities. That shows her as unfaithful from the beginning, so I'm merely repeating a fact shown in the series.

Because you bring it up whenever they're mentioned. If your "jokes" had actually been funny and said at the right time, no one would mind.

Because you're bringing them up all the time and its annoying. Why not tell how much you dislike them on humor sites or to your friends rather then here?
As I said, she implies that she's not together with Yamcha anymore. And as I keep saying, it doesn't have anything to do with Yamcha's cheating because two wrongs don't make a right.

Once again, you don't speak for the majority. And I don't bring it up every time they're mentioned, that's an exaggeration. I bring it up when it's relevant... unless you're telling me it's not relevant to bring it up in a topic like "Biggest Failures".

I don't bring them up all the time. And I don't dislike them.
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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by Ninja Murasaki » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:45 pm

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She stated if Jackie Chun was handsome she would go for him, when Oolong and Puar brought up Yamcha, she said smart girls look for new opportunities. That shows her as unfaithful from the beginning, so I'm merely repeating a fact shown in the series.

Because you bring it up whenever they're mentioned. If your "jokes" had actually been funny and said at the right time, no one would mind.

Because you're bringing them up all the time and its annoying. Why not tell how much you dislike them on humor sites or to your friends rather then here?
As I said, she implies that she's not together with Yamcha anymore. And as I keep saying, it doesn't have anything to do with Yamcha's cheating because two wrongs don't make a right.

Once again, you don't speak for the majority. And I don't bring it up every time they're mentioned, that's an exaggeration. I bring it up when it's relevant... unless you're telling me it's not relevant to bring it up in a topic like "Biggest Failures".

I don't bring them up all the time. And I don't dislike them.
Actually its outright said, Bulma was still with Yamcha, she stated that she didn't care. Read it again.

Whenever someone mentions those characters, you'll often say they stink, are failures, ETC. Or if its a personal head canon page, you'll go off now how you're Headcanon is they suck.

You bring them up too much and most find it unfunny. Why not just try not to mention your feelings on them in every topic where they're mentioned?

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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by Saiga » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:48 pm

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Actually its outright said, Bulma was still with Yamcha, she stated that she didn't care. Read it again.

Whenever someone mentions those characters, you'll often say they stink, are failures, ETC. Or if its a personal head canon page, you'll go off now how you're Headcanon is they suck.

You bring them up too much and most find it unfunny. Why not just try not to mention your feelings on them in every topic where they're mentioned?
No, one of the others mentioned Yamcha. They were asking about him, and she dismissed it. That doesn't confirm they were together.

I think it should be pretty obvious that that's not serious (and I still don't mention it as much as you say). I don't know how many times I need to say it, but I don't dislike the characters. I just have fun mocking them.

How many times do I have to say it? You don't speak for the majority.
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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by Ninja Murasaki » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:51 pm

Saiga wrote:
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Actually its outright said, Bulma was still with Yamcha, she stated that she didn't care. Read it again.

Whenever someone mentions those characters, you'll often say they stink, are failures, ETC. Or if its a personal head canon page, you'll go off now how you're Headcanon is they suck.

You bring them up too much and most find it unfunny. Why not just try not to mention your feelings on them in every topic where they're mentioned?
No, one of the others mentioned Yamcha. They were asking about him, and she dismissed it. That doesn't confirm they were together.

I think it should be pretty obvious that that's not serious (and I still don't mention it as much as you say). I don't know how many times I need to say it, but I don't dislike the characters. I just have fun mocking them.

How many times do I have to say it? You don't speak for the majority.
Read it again, Saiga, she explicitly confirmed she was with Yamcha and said she didn't care.

You have fun mocking them and they're fans in every topic. You're already going in another topic about how Yamcha stinks, is a cheater, Bulma is innocent, and no one should like them.

A good number of posters have said they find your posts about characters you hate annoying.

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Post by Saiga » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:54 pm

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Read it again, Saiga, she explicitly confirmed she was with Yamcha and said she didn't care.

You have fun mocking them and they're fans in every topic. You're already going in another topic about how Yamcha stinks, is a cheater, Bulma is innocent, and no one should like them.

A good number of posters have said they find your posts about characters you hate annoying.
No, she didn't. She didn't confirm anything about them, other than that she wasn't interested.

You are, once again, putting words in my mouth. I never said that Yamcha stinks. I said he's a cheater because that's what the story says. I didn't say that Bulma is innocent, just that people are exaggerating/fabricating negative qualities about her. And I certainly never said no-one should like them.

I'm not really seeing "most" people doing it. Only a handful at best.
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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by Ninja Murasaki » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:57 pm

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Read it again, Saiga, she explicitly confirmed she was with Yamcha and said she didn't care.

You have fun mocking them and they're fans in every topic. You're already going in another topic about how Yamcha stinks, is a cheater, Bulma is innocent, and no one should like them.

A good number of posters have said they find your posts about characters you hate annoying.
No, she didn't. She didn't confirm anything about them, other than that she wasn't interested.

You are, once again, putting words in my mouth. I never said that Yamcha stinks. I said he's a cheater because that's what the story says. I didn't say that Bulma is innocent, just that people are exaggerating/fabricating negative qualities about her. And I certainly never said no-one should like them.

I'm not really seeing "most" people doing it. Only a handful at best.
Denial is a strange thing.

You say he's a cheater, Bulma is innocent, that makes Yamcha a horrible person, Bulma was always faithful to Yamcha, and just go on about fans of the character.

A good number of posters, almost no one has agreed with your constant posting of how you "Character B sucks."

Again, do something better with your posts.

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Post by Saiga » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:01 pm

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Denial is a strange thing.

You say he's a cheater, Bulma is innocent, that makes Yamcha a horrible person, Bulma was always faithful to Yamcha, and just go on about fans of the character.

A good number of posters, almost no one has agreed with your constant posting of how you "Character B sucks."

Again, do something better with your posts.
Now you're just being rude. I'm not in denial over anything.

I never said that Bulma is innocent, and I'm not saying Yamcha is a horrible person. I only go on about fans when they're making excuses or jumping down my throat.

A handful isn't a good number.

I have no need to change my posts just because you're upset over them. And it's rather hypocritical when the majority of your posts are just responses to mine. Lurking isn't really an excuse when you stop lurking to attack me.
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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by Ninja Murasaki » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:03 pm

Saiga wrote:
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Denial is a strange thing.

You say he's a cheater, Bulma is innocent, that makes Yamcha a horrible person, Bulma was always faithful to Yamcha, and just go on about fans of the character.

A good number of posters, almost no one has agreed with your constant posting of how you "Character B sucks."

Again, do something better with your posts.
Now you're just being rude. I'm not in denial over anything.

I never said that Bulma is innocent, and I'm not saying Yamcha is a horrible person. I only go on about fans when they're making excuses or jumping down my throat.

A handful isn't a good number.

I have no need to change my posts just because you're upset over them. And it's rather hypocritical when the majority of your posts are just responses to mine. Lurking isn't really an excuse when you stop lurking to attack me.
Then check out again, its confirmed in that story, by Bulma herself that she's with Yamcha at the time she says that and she just doesn't care.

There's been threads where the majority is against you.

I'm trying to get you to stop attacking people or go on rants about characters you dislike.

I'll stop posting on this, if you stop posting in threads about how you hate certain characters.

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Post by Sinestro » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:21 pm

So to bring it back on topic, things I never want to hear again...

Arguments over whether Yamcha cheated or not. :D

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Post by TripleRach » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:28 pm

Ninja Murasaki wrote:There's been threads where the majority is against you.

I'm trying to get you to stop attacking people or go on rants about characters you dislike.

I'll stop posting on this, if you stop posting in threads about how you hate certain characters.
When or if he should post is not for you to worry about. That's for the moderators to decide.

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Post by SparkyPantsMcGee » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:34 pm

Sinestro wrote:So to bring it back on topic, things I never want to hear again...

Arguments over whether Yamcha cheated or not. :D

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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by Insertclevername » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:41 pm

Here's a new one.

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:41 pm

Sinestro wrote:So to bring it back on topic, things I never want to hear again...

Arguments over whether Yamcha cheated or not. :D

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