And that's not an assumption? You can believe she wasn't if you wish but I see no reason to assert it as fact.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Which she wasn't.
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The fact that base Goku is still weaker than Freeza means that #18 is holding back, or she can't have an even fight with "Mighty Mask". Which makes perfect sense, since #18 can't sense ki (as far as we know in the manga), and she was supposed to fight normal Earthlings in a tournament that killing is against the rules.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:And that's not an assumption? You can believe she wasn't if you wish but I see no reason to assert it as fact.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Which she wasn't.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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That one statement comes from the same source that says Bulma is 39 five years after the Boo arc, Dende's Shenron only grants one wish, Mai is the same age as Goku in the Pilaf saga, Piccolo is Dodoria tier, and a power level of 1.3 million is strong enough to one-shot Base Gohan. So I personally take it with a grain of salt.
As for #18 vs. the kids, I think it's clear what #18 does when her opponent is much weaker than her..
As for #18 vs. the kids, I think it's clear what #18 does when her opponent is much weaker than her..
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She obviously saw that there was something strange about Mighty Mask, but that doesn't mean she would go all-out against him.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:As for #18 vs. the kids, I think it's clear what #18 does when her opponent is much weaker than her..Spoiler:
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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She couldn't increase her effort level just a little bit and knock him out of the ring without killing him? She decided to stay slightly advantaged against him for the entirety of the match just because?
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Yes, she was curious about what the hell was wrong with him, since he was unusually strong with an unusual body.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:She couldn't increase her effort level just a little bit and knock him out of the ring without killing him? She decided to stay slightly advantaged against him for the entirety of the match just because?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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So staying in the air fighting him will answer her question instead of just knocking him out of the ring and unmasking him?
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How is this even an argument? #18 was fighting not one, but two, saiyans, holding her own and outsmarting them, and we don't even know is she was fighting full out (only using low-powered ki attacks). They were forced to transform to try to beat her, and even then we don't know if they would have if the fight continued. Also, #18 is strong enough to completely outclass adult Vegeta or Trunks SSJ1 -- since she is an android, there is no reason to believe she gets weaker than that if she doesn't train.
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Yes, she prefered to find out the truth by fighting him. She should also get an idea of his power through a fight, or she may accidentally kill him by using too much force.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:So staying in the air fighting him will answer her question instead of just knocking him out of the ring and unmasking him?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Well Beerus traveled several light years in under 2 mins in DB Super(without Whis)pacz360 wrote:So could someone recap me on more impressive feats department in super at least a little list
Beerus destroyed a planet in half by a simple tap
Whis could travel at MFTL speeds with or without t his staff
King Kai and Supreme Kai both say Beerus can destroy the universe
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Ah thanks palSaiyan007 wrote:Well Beerus traveled several light years in under 2 mins in DB Super(without Whis)pacz360 wrote:So could someone recap me on more impressive feats department in super at least a little list
Beerus destroyed a planet in half by a simple tap
Whis could travel at MFTL speeds with or without t his staff
King Kai and Supreme Kai both say Beerus can destroy the universe
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In the crappy sub of episode 5 I saw, Beerus says, "I admit, it is possible to defeat Freeza this way [in reference to SSJ Goku]... but Freeza must have given you a really tough fight that time..."
This implies SSJ Goku is as strong as he was on Namek, completely ignoring the Cell saga. Was this a sub error, or do we have a plot hole here?
This implies SSJ Goku is as strong as he was on Namek, completely ignoring the Cell saga. Was this a sub error, or do we have a plot hole here?
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Sub error.fadeddreams5 wrote:In the crappy sub of episode 5 I saw, Beerus says, "I admit, it is possible to defeat Freeza this way [in reference to SSJ Goku]... but Freeza must have given you a really tough fight that time..."
This implies SSJ Goku is as strong as he was on Namek, completely ignoring the Cell saga. Was this a sub error, or do we have a plot hole here?
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Don't they say "anything in the universe"? In the Episode 5, Kaio says "Beerus-sama can expand his power from edge to edge of the universe" or something along those lines. I don't know if it's the correct translation.Saiyan007 wrote:King Kai and Supreme Kai both say Beerus can destroy the universe
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Do you mean, when's talking about how Beerus could blow Goku to the edge of the universe with a single snort?Hugo Boss wrote:Don't they say "anything in the universe"? In the Episode 5, Kaio says "Beerus-sama can expand his power from edge to edge of the universe" or something along those lines. I don't know if it's the correct translation.Saiyan007 wrote:King Kai and Supreme Kai both say Beerus can destroy the universe
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It's not.Hugo Boss wrote:Don't they say "anything in the universe"? In the Episode 5, Kaio says "Beerus-sama can expand his power from edge to edge of the universe" or something along those lines. I don't know if it's the correct translation.Saiyan007 wrote:King Kai and Supreme Kai both say Beerus can destroy the universe
If you don't know where to find accurate translations, don't even bother bringing things up. It's practically guaranteed the stuff you quote was never actually said.
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I'm not sure, I saw a Portuguese sub. Given the common English word "edge", we could be talking about the same thing.dbgtFO wrote:Do you mean, when's talking about how Beerus could blow Goku to the edge of the universe with a single snort?Hugo Boss wrote:Don't they say "anything in the universe"? In the Episode 5, Kaio says "Beerus-sama can expand his power from edge to edge of the universe" or something along those lines. I don't know if it's the correct translation.Saiyan007 wrote:King Kai and Supreme Kai both say Beerus can destroy the universe
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You are indeed taking about the same thing. Kaio says Beerus could blow Goku to the ends of the universe with a snort, as if Goku were just a booger. Arguably that's much weirder than the "expanding his power" mistranslation, but anyway, that's what he actually says.
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Thank you again, Herms. I felt like in Portuguese the mistranslation made perfect sense. Is the correct sentence supposed to be a hyperbole or a joke? I mean, it seems like something to not take literally to me, but I imagine in Japanese it could have some other reference.
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It's a play on words or something. I think it was pointed out over on the site's episode guide for this episode. You should go check it out!Hugo Boss wrote:Thank you again, Herms. I felt like in Portuguese the mistranslation made perfect sense. Is the correct sentence supposed to be a hyperbole or a joke? I mean, it seems like something to not take literally to me, but I imagine in Japanese it could have some other reference.