Dragon Ball Daima Strength Discussion Thread

[Hugo Boss]

If Duu was matching SS Kid Goku and possibly holding back, then SS2-tier fighters like Cell Games Gohan or Majin Vegeta should be able to overpower him without much trouble.

Tamagami #1, being weaker than Duu but stronger than Kuu, would likely be somewhere around mid-SS level, perhaps comparable to Cell Games SS Goku or Vegeta.

Kuu, as the weakest of the three, might be around Android arc SS tier, meaning even Piccolo (pre-RoSaT) could give him a tough fight.

If the Daima characters are weakened, their original Z selves would likely handle the Tamagamis without too much difficulty. Even SS1 Goku (Boo arc) should be enough to deal with Duu, and SS2 Goku or Vegeta would dominate the entire trio.

Of course, if Duu was holding back or if Tamagami #1 has some hidden potential, things could shift, but based on what we’ve seen, it does seem like a clear-cut power scale.

[ZombieVito]

Duu was obviously holding back. Like come on lol.

He's stronger than Tamagami #1 who is stronger than Tamagami #2 who was stronger than SS2 Vegeta.

[Berserker1921]

Duu and Tamagami #1 are low ssj3 tiers.

Goku and Vegeta ssj3’s are probably around Super Buu to Ultimate Gohan level of power.

King Gomah is probably around Buu-tenks to Super Vegito levels. But we will get more information by next week.

[Xeogran]

King Gomah is probably around Buu-tenks to Super Vegito levels. But we will get more information by next week.

Nah, far from it yet. He's gonna be fighting evenly with SSJ3 Goku. A Super Vegito-tier character would be giving him the Buuhan treatment.

[Hugo Boss]

Duu was obviously holding back. Like come on lol.

He's stronger than Tamagami #1 who is stronger than Tamagami #2 who was stronger than SS2 Vegeta.

I wouldn’t say obviously because nothing directly points to that being the case, but given that he doesn’t dominate SS Kid Goku the same way he did with Tamagami #1, it should be a given that SS Kid Goku is at least stronger than Tamagami #1 and on par at worst.

I don’t see anything implying Tamagami #1 is stronger than the others, much to the contrary. He might be the weakest of them. Anyway, Tamagami #2 only surpassed SS2 Vegeta because Neva boosted him. Meanwhile, Tamagami #3 was pretty much even with SS Kid Goku.

[Yuji]

Why would Tamagami 1 be the weakest? All contextual and narrative cues point towards him being the strongest. Prior to the Neva boost, #2 was already forcing SS Vegeta to go SS2.

[Hugo Boss]

Why would Tamagami 1 be the weakest? All contextual and narrative cues point towards him being the strongest. Prior to the Neva boost, #2 was already forcing SS Vegeta to go SS2.

Tamagami #2 only managed to force SS Vegeta to transform because he was being assisted by the Kraken. Once the fight returned to a 1v1, Panzy explicitly stated that SS2 Vegeta was winning, and Neva himself acknowledged this. That’s precisely why Neva had to intervene and boost Tamagami #2’s power to make the fight more difficult for Vegeta.

Meanwhile, Tamagami #3 was able to fight evenly with SS Kid Goku, who was fighting evenly with Majin Duu, who is portrayed as stronger than Tamagami #1. Given this, there’s no real indication that Tamagami #1 was the strongest. It’s actually more likely he was weaker or on par with them.

[ZombieVito]

While Tamagami #2 was losing to SS2 Vegeta, it was clearly not by much.

It was holding it's own very well.

[Yuji]

While Tamagami #2 was losing to SS2 Vegeta, it was clearly not by much.

It was holding it's own very well.

Yes, which is a stark contrast to Tamagami 3 being one shot by SS2 Goku.

I guess you can argue 2 > 3 > 1 for some reason, but that doesn't make sense numerically, nor narratively. It's weird to hinge on Majin Doo being serious against Goku when we know he's a playful character and literally related to Boo who has historically toyed with opponents.

[Hugo Boss]

I think one of the reasons Tamagami #2 did so well against SS2 Vegeta is that Vegeta still wasn’t fully used to fighting in his kid body. Unlike Goku, who had been adjusting throughout his journey, this was Vegeta’s first real fight in that form. That could explain why Tamagami #2 was able to hold his own better than expected before Neva powered him up.

As for Tamagami #3, I agree that getting one-shot by SS2 Goku makes him look weaker, but at the same time, he was able to fight evenly with SS Kid Goku before that, and SS Kid Goku was holding his own against Majin Duu. If Majin Duu needs his brother’s assistance with chocolate to fight seriously, then maybe you could argue Tamagami #1 was meant to be on equal footing with the Super Saiyan kids after they had more time to adjust to their forms.

I get that having a clear power difference between the Tamagamis might not fit perfectly from a narrative standpoint, but at the very least, I don’t see any solid evidence that Tamagami #1 was the strongest. If anything, the events suggest they’re all close, with some situational factors affecting their performances.

[dragonball0900]

To be honest, I think there is no statement regarding each Tamagami being stronger than the previous one. That seems more like a headcanon. They could easily be equals and the story would not change anything. They are all still weaker than SSJ2. Tamagami 2 would only surpass the others after Neva powered him up.

[Berserker1921]

King Gomah is probably around Buu-tenks to Super Vegito levels. But we will get more information by next week.

Nah, far from it yet. He's gonna be fighting evenly with SSJ3 Goku. A Super Vegito-tier character would be giving him the Buuhan treatment.

Goku is stated to be the strongest being in the universe by Shin. So he probably surpassed Gohan. If anything he’s closer to buu to buutanks levels.

[Hugo Boss]

I think that Daima is going with the idea that Goku is the strongest, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he made such a massive jump in power. The series takes place just a few months after Buu’s defeat, and there’s no indication that Goku had some insane training that would push him to Ultimate Gohan’s level in such a short time.

It’s more likely that either Toriyama (or whoever wrote that line) forgot just how powerful Gohan was when he fought Buu, especially since Gohan’s decline in strength is only acknowledged in Super, which takes place years later. Or, it could just be that Toriyama doesn’t prioritize Gohan much, which wouldn’t be surprising given that he almost left him out of Super Hero altogether. Akio Iyoku’s recent interview even suggests that Toriyama worked on Super Hero and Daima around the same time, so if he barely considered Gohan for one, it makes sense that he wouldn’t emphasize his power level in the other.

[Koitsukai]

There's also the fact that only Goku has a technique that can gather the energy of living beings and planets and use it to wipe out the the strongest majin, one that can regenerate freely. It doesn't make him "stronger" than others, but nobody can hit as hard as he can with that.

But I think it's more related to Toriyama not being quite certain about the power scaling of what he wrote 30 years ago.

[LightBing]

If we take everything at face value.
Then Base Goku is SSJ3 level, maybe even more since the nebulous Kid debuff still lingers, apparently.

Third Gomah would probably murder SSJ Vegetto.

Of course taking this show at face value, isn't probably the best way to go about it. Since everyone is holding back all the time for forced drama.

[DBZ Macky]

Do you guys think Duu surpasses Buu with his full power?

[Yuji]

If Daima is a prequel to Super, then SS4 is officially weaker than God.

[Xeogran]

Do you guys think Duu surpasses Buu with his full power?

I still think that nobody in the series is above Buuhan levels of power, and certainly not with his hax regeneration.
They all seem nerfed for a reason.

If Daima is a prequel to Super, then SS4 is officially weaker than God.

Daima Goku =/= GT Goku.
GT Goku was after 10 years training with Uub, he's MILES stronger. I can't believe people somehow forget such an important fact.

[Yuji]

Daima Goku =/= GT Goku.
GT Goku was after 10 years training with Uub, he's MILES stronger. I can't believe people somehow forget such an important fact.

Obviously I'm talking about the form multipliers.

[SupremeKai25]

Daima Goku =/= GT Goku.
GT Goku was after 10 years training with Uub, he's MILES stronger. I can't believe people somehow forget such an important fact.

He's stronger than Daima Goku, sure. I'll be charitable and say that he's also stronger than Super Goku up to SSJ3.

He's not stronger than SSG Goku though or Goku would have at least considered SSJ4 against Lord Beerus.

That he did not is proof that Lord Beerus, while using only a small fraction (10% or so, maybe even less) of his power, is beyond anything Goku had achieved up to that point, also including Daima (since it's a prequel to Super).