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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by rereboy » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:38 pm

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You don't understand what an agenda is, do you?

Hollywood (unlike Bollywood, which is rarely acknowledged) is known for their films which are watched world-wide, for this they are usually used to send out messages to the uneducated public.

The "race issue" arose when people started realizing that mostly white males would play the big roles, sometimes even playing the roles that would ignite a shitstorm, for example the white Jesus myth that the public takes as facts, and most recently the "Exodus" movie in which the royalty had fair skin and (not surprising) the slaves where all black actors.

Theres no excuse for this to go on, the public suffers by being ignorant and believing all the propaganda they see on their glorified films. They're in for a rude wake up call, just as when you found out the WWE was all scripted and those great wrestlers can't even throw a punch in rl.

But back onto the DBZ topic, what I basically wanted to say was that I wanted someone that would look close to Goku in appearance (MA is a bonus) , race wise, anyone can play him correct, but if your gonna use my beloved series to spread some bullshit propaganda, you got the wrong show Hollywood.
No, I'm fully aware of what you are trying to say, but I don't pretend that its not natural for a western dominated society and business to conduct their business according to their standards, nor do I pretend that that said dominated society and business hasn't been progressively become more varied and inclusive regarding races and ethnic backgrounds in all aspects of their productions, just like the society and business itself has become.

So, considering that, wasting time bashing this particular aspect is, frankly, like I said, taking the politically correct policy too far, especially since there's no other movie production industry in the world that does a better job with those issues than the one being criticized.

Said society and said business have already been moving in the direction of continuing inclusion and will continue to do so in the foreseeable future, so strong bashing of these issues comes off as an exaggeration. Your efforts would been better spent in other issues.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:02 pm

- I actually like Goten and Trunks.
- Super Saiyan God is lame.
- base Saiyans > Freeza.
- Teen ('Adult') Gohan is underrated.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:47 am

^The second one isn't an unpopular opinion.


Also, some of stuff I've said already but I'll say them again:

-I like Studio Live's animation for the most parts.
-Kai isn't a very good remake, at least not past the Namek Saga. You're easily better off sticking to the manga if you want better pacing.
-Dr. Gero shoulda stayed around longer.
-Chi-Chi's far more sympathetic than people tend to give her credit for and is easily one of the most attractive female characters (buxom, big black eyes, athletic, hime cut, etc. why wouldn't you wanna tap that?) in the series (dunno how unpopular that one is but I hear the contrary being spoken often).
-Yamcha loses relevance a lot earlier than people think.
-Yajirobe can surpass at least one of the Saiyans if he trained.
-Goku was a bit of a dick throughout the Majin Boo Saga. He kept making the situation harder than it needed to be and some of the stuff he did I felt were OOC.
-Beerus makes the movie Battle of Gods/Kami to Kami.
-I want Vegeta to be the one to beat Freeza in the upcoming movie Revival of F.
-Videl and to a lesser extent, Mr. Satan are two of the most overrated characters power-wise.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by singsing » Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:56 am

-Goku was a bit of a dick throughout the Majin Boo Saga. He kept making the situation harder than it needed to be and some of the stuff he did I felt were OOC.
Oh that is most definitely not an unpopular opinion around here I would think :lol:

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ekrolo2 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:26 pm

- I like GT way more than the Buu Saga and would rank it 3rd with the Saiyan Saga in my top 5.
- Gohan being a nerd is perfect for him.
- The Androids being anywhere near as strong as Freeza (let alone a Super Name or Super Saiyan) is straight up bullcrap minus 19 & 20 who had plausible excuses for it via their energy absorption.
- SSJ4 is the best transformation.
- Vegeta getting SSJ3 is an idea that needs to fuck off, especially with the new movies giving him a way better power boost.
- I find Whis boring.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:29 pm

singsing wrote:
-Goku was a bit of a dick throughout the Majin Boo Saga. He kept making the situation harder than it needed to be and some of the stuff he did I felt were OOC.
Oh that is most definitely not an unpopular opinion around here I would think :lol:
I know....

Forgot this one...

-Chi-Chi and Yajirobe have the highest natural potential out of all the humans, which makes it a shame Toriyama-sensei wasted their characters.

EDIT: Oh and Vegeta has greater potential than Goku.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Doctor. » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:33 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:- The Androids being anywhere near as strong as Freeza (let alone a Super Name or Super Saiyan) is straight up bullcrap minus 19 & 20 who had plausible excuses for it via their energy absorption.
- Vegeta getting SSJ3 is an idea that needs to fuck off, especially with the new movies giving him a way better power boost.
Not unpopular, at least not here.
- I find Whis boring.
Why, might I ask?

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by MarCas92 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:38 pm

-Dragon Ball is better than Z. In both manga and anime.
-Gohan is out of character during the Cell Games and when he gets his potential unlocked.
-Up until BoG Goku,Gohan and Vegeta could not beat Freeza unless they turned SSJ.
-The Japanese original is better than the English dub.
-Falconer has good music, it just doesn't fit the tone of the anime.
-People who say the FUNI dub is better, are wearing nostalgia goggles.
-If there is a cannon: The Manga, Yo! Son Goku, Jaco and The 2 New Movies should be it.
-Xenoverse would be a good game except that the game-play is repetitive and not very intuitive.
-Super Saiyan 2 is the lamest transformation.
-Kami-sama was horrible at his job.
-The art in the Boo Arc (manga) is probably the worst in the series.
-As much as we love it, I think we all have to admit that the anime wasn't very good.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by tx3 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:04 pm

MarCas92 wrote:-Dragon Ball is better than Z. In both manga and anime.
-Gohan is out of character during the Cell Games and when he gets his potential unlocked.
-Up until BoG Goku,Gohan and Vegeta could not beat Freeza unless they turned SSJ.
-The Japanese original is better than the English dub.
-Falconer has good music, it just doesn't fit the tone of the anime.
-People who say the FUNI dub is better, are wearing nostalgia goggles.
-If there is a cannon: The Manga, Yo! Son Goku, Jaco and The 2 New Movies should be it.
-Xenoverse would be a good game except that the game-play is repetitive and not very intuitive.
-Super Saiyan 2 is the lamest transformation.
-Kami-sama was horrible at his job.
-The art in the Boo Arc (manga) is probably the worst in the series.
-As much as we love it, I think we all have to admit that the anime wasn't very good.
i agree with like 95% of the things you wrote ..well done

also all DB Movies are poor written to a degree of head shaking

the anime had in terms of drawing very low quality in some cases. due to deadlines i guess

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:37 pm

- Gotenks is annoying and unappealing
- Super Saiyan God is an awesome transformation
- Dragon Ball Multiverse ain't that good
- Piccolo is not a better parental figure than Goku
- Vegeta will go to heaven when he dies
- The FUNi cast has surpassed the original cast since Kai
- The Majin Boo arc is one of the best portions of the entire series.
- Burst Limit is one the best Dragon Ball games ever
- The Sparking/Tenkaichi series is insanely overrated.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by fadeddreams5 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:55 pm

- BoG is one of the worst DBZ movies (I don't hate/dislike it. It's just not high on my top list).
- Kikuchi's soundtrack is bland and uninteresting.
- Faulconer's soundtrack is fitting in a different sort of way.
- GT is better than most modern DBZ stuff.
- Goku's Japanese voice is grating and repelling.
- Gohan went from one of the best characters, to one of the worst by the Buu saga, and continues to get worse and worse with every new special/movie. I hope Whis goes back in time, brings Kid Gohan back, and trains him. Frieza can zap that other pansy.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Lord-Gazza » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:31 pm

I actually think that the Garlic Jr saga is pretty great.

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Post by MarCas92 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:36 pm

Lord-Gazza wrote:I actually think that the Garlic Jr saga is pretty great.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:48 pm

I like Golden Freeza.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:55 pm

Some more unpopular opinions from me.

- Goku should still turn SSJ/SSJ2/SSJ3 in the movies.
- I don't like that Goku and Vegeta are "Ultimate" like Gohan used to be.
-SSJ4 is cooler looking than SSJG
- Goku/Vegeta having God Ki is a dumb idea as it practically erases the most iconic transformation of the DB series.
- Goten, Kid Trunks and Gotenks are some of my favorite characters, regardless of their usefulness in the series.
-Even though I like Golden Freeza, something like Cooler's fifth form should have the new form for Freeza.
-The Faulconer score is perfect for the Cell and Buu Sagas, while Kikuchi is perfect for DB/Saiyan/Freeza Sagas.
-Garlic Jr. Saga isn't bad, I just feel it drags on too long.
- The Ocean dub is worse than the 1999 Funimation dub.

All I got for now. :)

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by MediaFanGirl93 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:20 am

Here are some of mine:

* I hate the villains of the show. I know they are supposed to be evil, but I don't like them.
* I don't think Chi-Chi is a bad mother. I have a mother and a few family members who has similarities to her, and that's why I'm so defensive of her.
* I dislike Babidi, Sopopovich, and Supreme Kai as characters.
* I think Vegeta is one of the worst fathers. Sure he has his good points, but fans ignore a lot of his bad parenting and make him out to be an angel. My father was like that, which is why I get annoyed when people say Vegeta is a perfect father.
* I love the Buu and Cell Sagas, and the Saiyan and Frieza Arc are my least favorites.
* I'm not all that excited for the new DBZ movie coming out.
* Although Android 18 is my favorite female character, I disagree on her being the least bitchy.out of all the females. Least annoying and aggressivewould be the better phrase to describe her.
* I actually love Adult Gohan and Videl. I don't hate Pan, but she's not my favorite character.

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Post by tx3 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:33 am

MediaFanGirl93 wrote:Here are some of mine:

* I hate the villains of the show. I know they are supposed to be evil, but I don't like them.
* I don't think Chi-Chi is a bad mother. I have a mother and a few family members who has similarities to her, and that's why I'm so defensive of her.
* I dislike Babidi, Sopopovich, and Supreme Kai as characters.
* I think Vegeta is one of the worst fathers. Sure he has his good points, but fans ignore a lot of his bad parenting and make him out to be an angel. My father was like that, which is why I get annoyed when people say Vegeta is a perfect father.
* I love the Buu and Cell Sagas, and the Saiyan and Freeza Arc are my least favorites.
* I'm not all that excited for the new DBZ movie coming out.
* Although Android 18 is my favorite female character, I disagree on her being the least bitchy.out of all the females. Least annoying and aggressivewould be the better phrase to describe her.
* I actually love Adult Gohan and Videl. I don't hate Pan, but she's not my favorite character.
u hate the Parent aspect in Dragonball ..really this is what bothers you ...hahaha what are u, a worried soccer mom?
vegeta is a warrior what do u think he does of course he is a bad father...his progress made him a better father with time. wow....haha who gives a crap..also chi chi sucks ..but thats part of the humor, so who cares ..she is a side character no one should care longer than a sec for her BS.

i agree on the villiains except Freeza and vegeta .. really good fights there..cell ark was weak as hell..boo was meh..

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by rereboy » Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:42 am

Who ever said that Vegeta was a perfect father...?

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by tx3 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:09 am

rereboy wrote:Who ever said that Vegeta was a perfect father...?
said nobody ..cause no one cares

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Post by MarCas92 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:28 pm

tx3 wrote:
MarCas92 wrote:-Dragon Ball is better than Z. In both manga and anime.
-Gohan is out of character during the Cell Games and when he gets his potential unlocked.
-Up until BoG Goku,Gohan and Vegeta could not beat Freeza unless they turned SSJ.
-The Japanese original is better than the English dub.
-Falconer has good music, it just doesn't fit the tone of the anime.
-People who say the FUNI dub is better, are wearing nostalgia goggles.
-If there is a cannon: The Manga, Yo! Son Goku, Jaco and The 2 New Movies should be it.
-Xenoverse would be a good game except that the game-play is repetitive and not very intuitive.
-Super Saiyan 2 is the lamest transformation.
-Kami-sama was horrible at his job.
-The art in the Boo Arc (manga) is probably the worst in the series.
-As much as we love it, I think we all have to admit that the anime wasn't very good.
i agree with like 95% of the things you wrote ..well done

also all DB Movies are poor written to a degree of head shaking

the anime had in terms of drawing very low quality in some cases. due to deadlines i guess
Now I'm really curious as to what that other 5% is...
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