The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TobyS » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:42 am

Lionel wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:34 am Here's some fusion based matches. If you feel each fusion is too strong or too weak then give a name of the strongest fighter whom you believe they could challenge.

Buu arc Ultimate Tenshillin w/ maintainable Kaioken x100 (potential unlocked Krillin/Tenshinhan potara fusion with the Kaioken seen in the Lord Slug movie) vs #17, 18, and 16

Moro arc Piccolo (fused with Namekian saviour, anime Saonel, and anime Pirina) vs TOP arc SSJB Goku

25th tournament arc Gohaku (Fusion Dance of Goku and Gohan) vs Buutenks
Fusion is even greater then SS1s x50 and the androids are low old style super saiyan tier. (no match for post RoSaT) Buu's plenty of time for them not to be tooo far of the pre rosat base saiyans to be multiplied up to that tier.

Even if you lowball em and say the androids could take em by ganging up a kienzan or kikoho slaughters them, any amount of kaioken especially 100 is super overkill.

Is namekian saviour the same guy or you mean he would be a combo and sao and pirin?

The trouble is Moro Piccolo only exists in the manga atm and manga U6 Nameks don't seem to be shit or they wouldn't have got owned so easy. In the anime they are stronger then Piccolo but not so strong they insta-kill him, and weaker than Gohan but strong enough combined that Gohan needs Piccolos help. Do we even know they are fused in the manga?

Manga Gohan shows a big boost putting him I think in the general Red/Blue tier but his only feats are against Kefla who doesn't, quite rightly, seem as strong as the anime so we can't really cross compare.

We have a lowball estimate for Piccolo, it seems implied he's stronger than 17 now who at a lowball estimate was SS3 tier at the ToP. Goku then says he's so strong he didn't recognise [him] (rather than just "oh you are like SS3 strong now huh piccolo")

I think even if the Nameks aren't as strong as the anime I think given that it's nearer multiplication then addition I think a couple more fusions puts him up there. I think you'd have to lowball Piccolo and say the Nameks were unfused in the manga continuity for him to fall short imo.

For the fusion versus Buu, we know Potara is better and Vegeta is a little stronger than Pre ultimate Gohan and that they have a rivals bonus that these two wouldn't get. We also have Buu, who has seen the kids and Gotenks estimate that the assumed fusion dance won't do anything against him...

But Gohan has a lot of untapped potential and Goku is trained to his limits, so I feel like the resultant fusion would perhaps be able to access some of Gohans hidden power by virtue of the fact this fusion would be 50% fully trained if that makes sense. And as a hybrid he'd have more potential than Goku and Vegeta in theory.

I think given Veggeto only needed SS1 to handle Buuhan, this fusion only has to beat Buutenks, and I think SS2 could do that, deffo SS3.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Lionel » Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:45 am

Good thorough answer as always TobyS.

To give my own thoughts, would it be a surprise to you if a number of fans interpreted the humans as never having surpassed Captain Ginyu? It's a grossly minimalist interpretation but you can find it on forums. I tried to keep a more conservative estimate in mind for the sake of having a conversation. How far do you think Tenshillin or whatever name you have for him could push things? Could he defeat Perfect Cell? Fat Buu? Ultimate Gohan?!

Piccolo assimilating the Namekian saviour we saw Moro casually impale and then the U6 Namekians is what I meant, yeah.

I think the two U6 Namekians were described in the anime as having merged with a number of their species prior to the tournament in order to allow themselves to become meaningful assets for their team. We know they have to be weaker than base Cabba originlly for to Champa overlook them in the previous tournament unless he didn't know of their existence. Who knows? They may still be as of the Tournament of Power in the manga.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:49 pm

Who's the strongest character in the Tournament of Power that Seven-Three can defeat?
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Post by Hugo Boss » Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:53 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:49 pm Who's the strongest character in the Tournament of Power that Seven-Three can defeat?
Piccolo?

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Post by ZombieVito » Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:58 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:49 pm Who's the strongest character in the Tournament of Power that Seven-Three can defeat?
Whoever he copies.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:01 am

ZombieVito wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:58 pm
Hellspawn28 wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:49 pm Who's the strongest character in the Tournament of Power that Seven-Three can defeat?
Whoever he copies.
I don't think he can defeat Toppo or Jiren though.
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Post by ZombieVito » Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:33 am

Hellspawn28 wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:01 am I don't think he can defeat Toppo or Jiren though.
He has unlimited stamina so anyone he copies, he will beat.

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Post by BagetaSama » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:06 pm

Lionel wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:45 am Good thorough answer as always TobyS.

To give my own thoughts, would it be a surprise to you if a number of fans interpreted the humans as never having surpassed Captain Ginyu? It's a grossly minimalist interpretation but you can find it on forums. I tried to keep a more conservative estimate in mind for the sake of having a conversation. How far do you think Tenshillin or whatever name you have for him could push things? Could he defeat Perfect Cell? Fat Buu? Ultimate Gohan?!

Piccolo assimilating the Namekian saviour we saw Moro casually impale and then the U6 Namekians is what I meant, yeah.

I think the two U6 Namekians were described in the anime as having merged with a number of their species prior to the tournament in order to allow themselves to become meaningful assets for their team. We know they have to be weaker than base Cabba originlly for to Champa overlook them in the previous tournament unless he didn't know of their existence. Who knows? They may still be as of the Tournament of Power in the manga.
Their existence came in preparation for the ToP to save their universe, so Base Cabba doesn't have to be a metric.

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Post by Koitsukai » Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:46 am

Manga match-ups:

-Current UI Goku vs ToP Super Full Power Jiren and FPSS Broly
Could a team-up of the past two antagonists take Goku down? if not, what if Beerus replaced Jiren or Broly? whoever you think is weaker. Could Beerus tilt the scale?

-Current SSBE Vegeta vs FT Vegito Blue
How does Vegeta fare compared to his first fusion in DBS? no defusing Vegito allowed, no time limit for Vegito.

-Merus vs Morus73 ("Angel" Moro)
what if Merus didn't cut off Moro's hand? could he take Morus73 out before he gets erased? or Morus73 starts to bloat before that thus keeping Merus safe? can Morus73 take out Merus before his body starts to fail him?

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Post by DestructoDisc » Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:22 am

Hot Dog Eating contests:

Goku vs Vegeta
Krillin vs Tien
Piccolo vs Android 18
Super Buu vs Kid Buu

Who do you would win these match-ups? Who can eat more Hot Dogs?

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Post by TobyS » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:22 pm

Goku and Tien are bigger I think they can eat more.

18 because although Piccolo *can* eat I feel like the fact he's not really meant to probably means his body would sorta be evolved to tell him to stop sooner, like he'd feel bloated and indigested sorta.

I guess from a body horror perspective piccolo could eat so much his stomach explodes and he wouldn't die as long as it doesn't poison his brain or something.

Super buu I guess. I mean he's slightly bigger but I imagine they can expand or magic away or instantly digest the dogs without getting tired or something but I guess super buu being more powerful has more capacity to do that too.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:13 pm

Cabba vs. Gotenks (no time limit, but Gotenks is limited to SSJ2)
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Post by ZombieVito » Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:28 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:13 pm Cabba vs. Gotenks (no time limit, but Gotenks is limited to SSJ2)
Huh? We have base Commeson Vegeta who is equal to base Cabba stomping SS3 Gotenks lol.

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:31 am

ZombieVito wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:28 pm
Polyphase Avatron wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:13 pm Cabba vs. Gotenks (no time limit, but Gotenks is limited to SSJ2)
Huh? We have base Commeson Vegeta who is equal to base Cabba stomping SS3 Gotenks lol.
I prefer to ignore the powerscaling in that silly arc.
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Post by TobyS » Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:07 pm

ZombieVito wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:28 pm
Polyphase Avatron wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:13 pm Cabba vs. Gotenks (no time limit, but Gotenks is limited to SSJ2)
Huh? We have base Commeson Vegeta who is equal to base Cabba stomping SS3 Gotenks lol.
So can Cabba go SS2 here?
Gotenks wins.
The gap between adult saiyans and kid ones is less then the fusion multiplier.
Cabba is a little more skilled but something unusual like the dougnouts or ghosts would take him down.
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Post by FishermanJohnWest » Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:39 am

Koitsukai wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:46 am Manga match-ups:

-Current UI Goku vs ToP Super Full Power Jiren and FPSS Broly
Could a team-up of the past two antagonists take Goku down? if not, what if Beerus replaced Jiren or Broly? whoever you think is weaker. Could Beerus tilt the scale?


He belts Jiren with ease, Broly however is unknown, I am not 100% convinced he surpassed Beerus (logically he should but we will see)

-Current SSBE Vegeta vs FT Vegito Blue
How does Vegeta fare compared to his first fusion in DBS? no defusing Vegito allowed, no time limit for Vegito.


I don't believe Vegeta rivals Beerus yet so Vegito slaps him still

-Merus vs Morus73 ("Angel" Moro)
what if Merus didn't cut off Moro's hand? could he take Morus73 out before he gets erased? or Morus73 starts to bloat before that thus keeping Merus safe? can Morus73 take out Merus before his body starts to fail him?



Merus wins

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Post by GatoF » Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:34 am

1. Buu arc Ssj3 Gotenks (no time limit) vs Fat Janemba (he transforms into Super Janemba after 3 minutes of fight)
2. 4th form RoF Freeza vs Buu arc Base Vegetto (if he loses what if he turns into Ssj1?)

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Post by TobyS » Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:44 pm

GatoF wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:34 am 1. Buu arc Ssj3 Gotenks (no time limit) vs Fat Janemba (he transforms into Super Janemba after 3 minutes of fight)
2. 4th form RoF Freeza vs Buu arc Base Vegetto (if he loses what if he turns into Ssj1?)
1. Gotenks ez even if he fucks around long enough for janemba to transform I have him weaker then super buu given SS3 Goku can land hits. The unfused adults were piss scared of fighting Super Buu

2. Well going by the stupid anime, pre retcon of you believe there was one. Freeza was nearer SSgod/a base Goku with about that power. Base Vegito is about SS3 Goku so he'd lose ez. So would SS. Maaaaybe SS3 Vegito could win but probably not.

In the manga they are confident Ultimate Gohan and Buu can beat the Freeza they sense. Mr Buu is mostly fodder to ultimate Gohan so I kinda take it as either being stronger alone because otherwise Buu wouldn't be much help to ultimate Gohan.
However it turns out Buu is asleep, Gohans lost ultimate and Freeza Is only in his first form.
So from here it's hard to say. If Freeza, let's say he starts at 100 and ends as 22,642. (Assuming the gap between his first form and 100% are proportionally the same as Namek power levels)

If Buu is say 110?, it depends on how many times stronger you think Gohan is then Buu, he'd have to be 205x stronger. But that's Gohan. Goku SS3 Base Vegito are probably say 220 assuming Mr Buu is half as strong as the roughly super Saiyan 3 equiv fat buu.

So Vegito base is about that. He'd beat the first two forms of Freeza and then lose without kaioken. SS Vegetto would be 11,000 to Freezas 22,642. He'd maybe win with skill at SS2 but otherwise needs SS3 to get it done with the time limit. 88,000 however the jump to gold is fucking massive.

But to confuse things more in either direction, we don't know what the gaps between Freezas forms are anymore. Just a bearing for the first one and Golden related to Gohan/Buu and SSBlueku alone...
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Post by Nodeo-Franvier » Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:44 am

FPSSJ kid Gohan vs Perfect Cell.
We know for a fact that Kid Gohan was considerably stronger than Goku and Suppressed Pefect Cell,but If he decided to properly fight Cell as a super saiyan how would it have went down?

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Post by TobyS » Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:55 am

Nodeo-Franvier wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:44 am FPSSJ kid Gohan vs Perfect Cell.
We know for a fact that Kid Gohan was considerably stronger than Goku and Suppressed Pefect Cell,but If he decided to properly fight Cell as a super saiyan how would it have went down?
If he got rage boosts he could probably win. Like if the same cell jrs and 16 crushing happened and he went ALL out he could win with more difficulty.

He'd probably need to use the skills Goku and Piccolo taught him rather then rely on brute strength.

Could do it more easily if Goku didn't give Cell a bean.

I think Super Perfect Cell requires SS2 to solo though, as does Dabra.
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