Unpopular DB opinions

[Vice]

Goku vs Vegeta is one sided and boring. Toriyama made right choice w/ centering around Gohan not GV.

Obviously it wasn't the right choice because the fanbase rejected it because Gohan is just plain uninteresting as a character. Certainly not more interesting than Goku or Vegeta.

[Zephyr]

Gohan was interesting when he finally was able to unleash so much hidden power as to surpass all of his comrades, and when he was in high school (and subsequently the Great Saiyaman). The former already happened once, we didn't really need to see it again. The latter is actually enjoyable to see, just him being a gigantic fucking dork.

[Lord Beerus]

Goku vs Vegeta is one sided and boring. Toriyama made right choice w/ centering around Gohan not GV.

Obviously it wasn't the right choice because the fanbase rejected it because Gohan is just plain uninteresting as a character. Certainly not more interesting than Goku or Vegeta.

The fanbase didn't reject anything. It was Toriyama's sole decision that Gohan wasn't right for the role. No outside power influenced him.

[dbgtFO]

Goku vs Vegeta is one sided and boring. Toriyama made right choice w/ centering around Gohan not GV.

Obviously it wasn't the right choice because the fanbase rejected it because Gohan is just plain uninteresting as a character. Certainly not more interesting than Goku or Vegeta.

The fanbase didn't reject anything. It was Toriyama's sole decision that Gohan wasn't right for the role. No outside power influenced him.

He does say that.
I personally think that popularity poll may just have confirmed his own belief, that Gohan wasn't right for the role and that could have ultimately been the one thing that swayed him, but that could just be a coincidence.
We may never know for sure.

[Basaku]

Goku vs Vegeta is one sided and boring. Toriyama made right choice w/ centering around Gohan not GV.

Obviously it wasn't the right choice because the fanbase rejected it because Gohan is just plain uninteresting as a character. Certainly not more interesting than Goku or Vegeta.

Vegeta? Fair question. Not more interesting than Goku tho? No contest here. Goku barely even has a character anymore to speak of

[TheGmGoken]

Goku vs Vegeta is one sided and boring. Toriyama made right choice w/ centering around Gohan not GV.

Obviously it wasn't the right choice because the fanbase rejected it because Gohan is just plain uninteresting as a character. Certainly not more interesting than Goku or Vegeta.

The fan base didn't reject anything. That's a false rumors. Only Toriyama rejected Gohan.

[sintzu]

He does say that.
I personally think that popularity poll may just have confirmed his own belief, that Gohan wasn't right for the role and that could have ultimately been the one thing that swayed him, but that could just be a coincidence.

I read that Gohan was voted #1 in the popularity poll during or after the Cell games so if he was going by that then he would've moved ahead with Gohan as the lead.

[ABED]

Gohan was interesting when he finally was able to unleash so much hidden power as to surpass all of his comrades

He kept doing it, it got repetitive. First with the Grand Elder, then SS2, then Kaioshin.

[dbgtFO]

He does say that.
I personally think that popularity poll may just have confirmed his own belief, that Gohan wasn't right for the role and that could have ultimately been the one thing that swayed him, but that could just be a coincidence.

I read that Gohan was voted #1 in the popularity poll during or after the Cell games so if he was going by that then he would've moved ahead with Gohan as the lead.

I was referring to the popularity poll during the middle to last part of the Buu Arc.
Here are the most popular characters from that period:

Spoiler:

[fadeddreams5]

He does say that.
I personally think that popularity poll may just have confirmed his own belief, that Gohan wasn't right for the role and that could have ultimately been the one thing that swayed him, but that could just be a coincidence.

I read that Gohan was voted #1 in the popularity poll during or after the Cell games so if he was going by that then he would've moved ahead with Gohan as the lead.

I was referring to the popularity poll during the middle to last part of the Buu Arc.
Here are the most popular characters from that period:

Spoiler:

Of course Gohan is not there. Toriyama turned him into a shitty character. It's almost unanimously agreed that the character took a MAJOR downgrade after the Cell Games. Forum after forum, I see the same opinion. Some people considering him their favorite, watching the Buu arc, and downright hating him.

This says nothing of Gohan's potential as a main character or what he could have been. Someone mentioned here that characters replacing the main character never works for such and such reason. The funniest thing about the Buu saga is that this is exactly what happened, only not the way people seem to see it. It wasn't Goku who was replaced as the lead. Kid Gohan was replaced by Teen Gohan, which did not sit well with people at all; Teen Gohan is a completely different character from Kid Gohan. Toriyama simply didn't do him justice, and was more comfortable working with Goku.

[ABED]

Kid Gohan was the one that needed his hand held.

[fadeddreams5]

Kid Gohan was the one that needed his hand held.

This is true. Gohan evolved throughout the series:

> Non-fighter forced into the wilderness.
> Boy terrified of raising his fists.
> Young warrior prepared to put his life on the line to save his friends.
> When he became a SSJ, he himself acknowledged that he always needed his hands to be held--something he didn't want anymore.
> He was thrown into the battlefield with Cell, and realizing how downright pointless the entire tournament was and how he dislikes fights like this, backs down.
> Seeing his friends hurt and 16 killed makes him snap and unleash his true hidden power. He learns what it's like to let a power and rage overtake his emotions and rationale, which leads to the death of Goku.
> Completely demoralized, he's on the verge of giving up against Cell until Goku steps in to allow him to regain his resolve. He had his hands held again, but for a reason.
> He says a final goodbye to his father, who has decided to remain dead. Gohan is now the strongest in the planet, and the man of his house. He no longer has a father to hide behind, and possesses the strength to protect himself, his family, and the entire planet.

This is progression. After this, he very likely wouldn't need his hands held anymore, but it just so happens that there was a 7 year gap immediately afterwards, and fans pretty much got an entirely new character instead of the one they wanted to see.

[ABED]

He's still the same Gohan, and I'm glad he matured, but that doesn't mean I want him in that main role. It suits Goku way better and he's different. Gohan is a more archetypal character.

He had his hands held again, but for a reason.

For a bad reason. By that point, he shouldn't have needed Goku's nudging to fight Cell even if his arm was damaged.

[dbzfan7]

Kid Gohan was the one that needed his hand held.

This is true. Gohan evolved throughout the series:

> Non-fighter forced into the wilderness.
> Boy terrified of raising his fists.
> Young warrior prepared to put his life on the line to save his friends.
> When he became a SSJ, he himself acknowledged that he always needed his hands to be held--something he didn't want anymore.
> He was thrown into the battlefield with Cell, and realizing how downright pointless the entire tournament was and how he dislikes fights like this, backs down.
> Seeing his friends hurt and 16 killed makes him snap and unleash his true hidden power. He learns what it's like to let a power and rage overtake his emotions and rationale, which leads to the death of Goku.
> Completely demoralized, he's on the verge of giving up against Cell until Goku steps in to allow him to regain his resolve. He had his hands held again, but for a reason.
> He says a final goodbye to his father, who has decided to remain dead. Gohan is now the strongest in the planet, and the man of his house. He no longer has a father to hide behind, and possesses the strength to protect himself, his family, and the entire planet.

This is progression. After this, he very likely wouldn't need his hands held anymore, but it just so happens that there was a 7 year gap immediately afterwards, and fans pretty much got an entirely new character instead of the one they wanted to see.

Exactly why the ball was dropped hard. Vegeta had that nice culmination ending the bitter rivalry and becoming friends with Goku...while Gohan's stopped before he could finish...and then regressed. Goku just pretty much always remained Goku. Getting dull after sometime, leaving Vegeta the more interesting because of his development.

[fadeddreams5]

He's still the same Gohan

Day and night. I still like the goofiness of the teen version though.

For a bad reason. By that point, he shouldn't have needed Goku's nudging to fight Cell even if his arm was damaged.

O_o

He watched his father kill himself in vain and Trunks murdered because of his own mistake, and was crippled in the process by an even stronger Cell than before. He's a 9 or 11 (I forget) year old boy. Kind of a tall order to just suck it up on the spot. Wouldn't be surprised if he needed therapy after this...

[DBZAOTA482]

Not to mention Vegeta even apologized to him. Muthafuckin' Vegeta.

[ABED]

He's still the same Gohan

Day and night. I still like the goofiness of the teen version though.

For a bad reason. By that point, he shouldn't have needed Goku's nudging to fight Cell even if his arm was damaged.

O_o

He watched his father kill himself in vain and Trunks murdered because of his own mistake, and was crippled in the process by an even stronger Cell than before. He's a 9 or 11 (I forget) year old boy. Kind of a tall order to just suck it up on the spot. Wouldn't be surprised if he needed therapy after this...

But that's not what you want out of a main character. Passivity is a HORRIBLE trait. If your main character needs his hand held and isn't pushing forward the story it's just sort of happening to him, it's a terrible idea. It's either die or at least try and save the world, yet Gohan shrinks until he gets a pep talk. That's not behavior fitting a savior. By the end of the arc, that dilemma should've been resolved, but it wasn't.

How was teen Gohan night and day from his younger self?

[TheGmGoken]

^ You must hate Gurren Lagann's main character.

[ABED]

^ You must hate Gurren Lagann's main character.

I've never seen it, so no.

[dbzfan7]

^ You must hate Gurren Lagann's main character.

Or Mega Man X who spends a lot of time whining about not wanting to fight (Most of X7) and is like Gohan in robot form. And even then the lead character becomes Zero later with X taking a side role.