Goku's mother...appearing soon?!

[tx3]

I like the third pic.

[Hujio]

I like the third pic.

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[TheGmGoken]

To be honest... who cares about his mother...? I don't want to see female Sayajins. I don't care about them. I don't care about Pan and Vegeta's daughter or there mothers... Who gives a damn about them....? A little side story in a magazine would be enough... actually that's even too much.

Wow lots of red. Anyways what your beef with female saiyans appearing? I mean do you rather have all saiyans male?

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I keep thinking there's got to be something more to Gine (Ghine? Ghiné?) than "Gohan, only female". It makes her seem the type of boring-moé-character (which is kinda weird for DB, but then there's ssjg Gokû who is adorable so where am I to talk). If she is where a lot of Gohan's personality traits were inherited, I hope she's also as nerdy/dorky as Gohan and his Great Saiyaman-ness is; that could be fun. But yeah, with what information there is at this point in time and with the amount of time I've had so far to think on it, Ghiné and Bardock's relationship feels like Gohan and Piccolo's relationship what with the personality types, only instead of student and martial arts teacher it's team-mates, and where Piccolo becomes like an uncle to Gohan, Ghiné and Bardock fall in love and have sex.

I always fear that these trope inserts from modern anime will ruin the tone of the series especially for Bardock's character. The last thing we need is a useless moe character humping his leg with a super-high voice and gimmicky catch-phrase or pretentious gesture like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8Wfn2wf-4M
I know its not in Akira Toriyama's style to write characters out like this but with new production ideas who knows what could happen.

[crisis]

To be honest... who cares about his mother...? I don't want to see female Sayajins. I don't care about them. I don't care about Pan and Vegeta's daughter or there mothers... Who gives a damn about them....? A little side story in a magazine would be enough... actually that's even too much.

Apparently, a lot of people (including myself) DO wonder about the identities of Goku and Vegeta's mothers, because we are curious about their ancestry. Seriously, what's so hard to comprehend about that?

You don't care about Goku's mom or female Saiyans in general, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion and tastes. But respect that there ARE people that think otherwise, which is why this topic even exists. Post in another topic if you don't like reading about Goku's mother here, it's that simple.

[Chuquita]

I keep thinking there's got to be something more to Gine (Ghine? Ghiné?) than "Gohan, only female". It makes her seem the type of boring-moé-character (which is kinda weird for DB, but then there's ssjg Gokû who is adorable so where am I to talk). If she is where a lot of Gohan's personality traits were inherited, I hope she's also as nerdy/dorky as Gohan and his Great Saiyaman-ness is; that could be fun. But yeah, with what information there is at this point in time and with the amount of time I've had so far to think on it, Ghiné and Bardock's relationship feels like Gohan and Piccolo's relationship what with the personality types, only instead of student and martial arts teacher it's team-mates, and where Piccolo becomes like an uncle to Gohan, Ghiné and Bardock fall in love and have sex.

I always fear that these trope inserts from modern anime will ruin the tone of the series especially for Bardock's character. The last thing we need is a useless moe character humping his leg with a super-high voice and gimmicky catch-phrase or pretentious gesture like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8Wfn2wf-4M
I know its not in Akira Toriyama's style to write characters out like this but with new production ideas who knows what could happen.

It would feel especially strange because from what I know of Bardock's character, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd be attracted to a moé character. I guess I could be wrong, but that's the impression I get from him. We won't really know til April, but I'm hoping she's at least really strong (or has Gohan's latent "when I'm angry I unleash my true power" thing going on) to balance out the desu.

[RocktheDragon]

It would feel especially strange because from what I know of Bardock's character, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd be attracted to a moé character. I guess I could be wrong, but that's the impression I get from him. We won't really know til April, but I'm hoping she's at least really strong (or has Gohan's latent "when I'm angry I unleash my true power" thing going on) to balance out the desu.

You know, I hadn't really thought about it but I would agree that at first glance it would seem that Bardock wouldn't be "into" a girl who doesn't have a strong stomach for fighting. On second thought though it might actually make for an interesting kind of contrast between both of their personalities. My wife and I have almost completely opposite personalities in a lot of ways (I talk way too much and am extroverted, she's the opposite) so opposites definitely have the power of attracting and making great compliments. Then again, Toriyama has never really delved into relationships in great detail so I doubt we will see much of their chemistry together (prove me wrong though Toriyama!).

[TheGmGoken]

Can't wait until 18 real name is revealed

Even she doesn't seem to remember it, since even her husband just calls her "18".

Or the name is embarrassing. I mean my name is "Pudd". I'm proud of the name but something you'll find strange and people MIGHT laugh. Seeing as 18 is.......a powerful woman I doubt anyone would want to laugh at her,

[crisis]

18 looks like her name could've been "Sarah" or something. She looks like a Sarah.

As for 17? ..... Jonathan.

[Hellspawn28]

To be honest... who cares about his mother...? I don't want to see female Sayajins. I don't care about them. I don't care about Pan and Vegeta's daughter or there mothers... Who gives a damn about them....? A little side story in a magazine would be enough... actually that's even too much.

Female Sayajins were already shown in the anime.

Never in the manga. The ones that we seen in the anime are filler.

[TheGmGoken]

To be honest... who cares about his mother...? I don't want to see female Sayajins. I don't care about them. I don't care about Pan and Vegeta's daughter or there mothers... Who gives a damn about them....? A little side story in a magazine would be enough... actually that's even too much.

Female Sayajins were already shown in the anime.

Never in the manga. The ones that we seen in the anime are filler.

Umm....Pan and Bra are female...and they're Saiyan. Just kidding I know you meant full Saiyans. Now that I think about it. Imagine Tarble and his wife's kids

[Chuquita]

It would feel especially strange because from what I know of Bardock's character, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd be attracted to a moé character. I guess I could be wrong, but that's the impression I get from him. We won't really know til April, but I'm hoping she's at least really strong (or has Gohan's latent "when I'm angry I unleash my true power" thing going on) to balance out the desu.

You know, I hadn't really thought about it but I would agree that at first glance it would seem that Bardock wouldn't be "into" a girl who doesn't have a strong stomach for fighting. On second thought though it might actually make for an interesting kind of contrast between both of their personalities. My wife and I have almost completely opposite personalities in a lot of ways (I talk way too much and am extroverted, she's the opposite) so opposites definitely have the power of attracting and making great compliments. Then again, Toriyama has never really delved into relationships in great detail so I doubt we will see much of their chemistry together (prove me wrong though Toriyama!).

It could be an opposites thing, this is possible. Kuririn and 18 balance each other in that way. I plan on waiting until the book comes out and I can read the short before I theorize more on Ghiné. I can't help but feel there's more to her that's not in the interview (but I could be wrong) and I won't really know til April.

[Hellspawn28]

Toei can never reboot dragonball officially without permission.

Toei has the animation rights to Dragon Ball. I'm pretty sure they can do whatever they want with the franchise if Shueisha approves of it. AT is just the creator of the franchise, he most likely has no control over other DB related stuff. It's like with Stan Lee and Spider-Man where he has no control over the Spider-Man movies and shows despite being the creator of the franchise.

So what do you think will happen after Toriyama dies?

If anything happen to him then Bird Studio, Shueisha and his family would take over the rights.

[El Diabeetus]

18 looks like her name could've been "Sarah" or something. She looks like a Sarah.

As for 17? ..... Jonathan.

I know a girl named Sarah in real life that has a similar look to 18, found that funny for that reason.

That actually seems like it'd work if you want to keep with the Terminator references. Aren't the main characters named Sarah and John Connor? (Not that farmiliar with Terminator but I think I caught a few episodes of that FOX series a few years back.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Toei has the animation rights to Dragon Ball. I'm pretty sure they can do whatever they want with the franchise if Shueisha approves of it. AT is just the creator of the franchise, he most likely has no control over other DB related stuff. It's like with Stan Lee and Spider-Man where he has no control over the Spider-Man movies and shows despite being the creator of the franchise.

Then why do they bother going to him? I guess its out of respect? Something most western companies dont have for their authours.

You know, I hadn't really thought about it but I would agree that at first glance it would seem that Bardock wouldn't be "into" a girl who doesn't have a strong stomach for fighting. On second thought though it might actually make for an interesting kind of contrast between both of their personalities. My wife and I have almost completely opposite personalities in a lot of ways (I talk way too much and am extroverted, she's the opposite) so opposites definitely have the power of attracting and making great compliments. Then again, Toriyama has never really delved into relationships in great detail so I doubt we will see much of their chemistry together (prove me wrong though Toriyama!).

I hope this doesnt end up like some beauty and the brute story but I think at most he would pity her, he wouldnt go out of his way and scream her name with gushing tears like Ichigo or Naruto would; he's know shes useless as a warrior but there'd have to be something appealing about her that he needs to be around. Bardock isnt into moe, no Saiyan ever is. Hed probably try to be her coach until he gets bored of her, shed probably try to nurse his injuries and then the typical somehow sex gets overlapped and Goku is born as the love-child. Then again remembering Raditz exists... ^_^' how this would happen twice is where I cant picture, bardock isnt someone who would get attached to anyone romantically but I guess hed be loyal to her feeling responsible for her because he was her team captain.... and her failures probably made her insecure. Perhaps Bardock would agree to have her child so that his strong genes would be transferred and strengthen her bloodline. I cant see it being a real love story.

It would feel especially strange because from what I know of Bardock's character, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd be attracted to a moé character. I guess I could be wrong, but that's the impression I get from him. We won't really know til April, but I'm hoping she's at least really strong (or has Gohan's latent "when I'm angry I unleash my true power" thing going on) to balance out the desu.

I just dont find any point to her character if shes going to be that redundant. Though thats the most likely direction.

[Chuquita]

I can't find the point either if there's nothing interesting about her beyond the general weirdness of her being a moé character (even weirder, a moé saiyajin character) in the DB world. Seems like the character type that would be parodied by Toriyama in Dr. Slump (there are multiple times cute things are made fun of there). I mean, closest thing is blue-haired Lunch, and she has her violent criminal blonde side ala Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde to balance her sweetness out.

I also don't know about the idea that Bardock's got an otaku-specific turn-on. I really want there to be more to her than what I'm picturing right now. I also would like to debunk the mental picture of Bardock as a secret fan of moé girls. I mean, I'd accept it if true, but it feels so ooc for him and DB in general.

[Mewzard]

...Why Moe? Moe makes me think of horribly drawn, trying too hard to make something look cute that it becomes some sort of horrid looking creature that's trying to be so sweet it causes diabetes, but just ends up being repulsive.

Overly sparkly eyes that aren't well positioned on the face, looks ridiculously young, chances are has either chipmunk teeth or a snaggletooth. Often in series that try to play up cute style over what little substance they have.

A nice character who doesn't like to fight doesn't make moe. In some circumstances, psychotic tsunderes can be moe (and there's another problem with the manga/anime industry I don't want to get into).

On the character of Gine herself, I don't want to quite judge yet, until I see her in action. She's clearly got some sort of uniqueness to her outside of the Saiyan norm (but not entirely foreign, given Tarble and the good Saiyans of the past who discovered Super Saiyan God), but I want to see what her personality is in action, what she likes doing, how she acts normally, and how she acts in strange situations.

I think this could be either good or bad depending upon execution.

[Chuquita]

I should have been more specific, or I should take more care when using words that have such a broad definition. I see moé as a stylistic element that purposely tries to invoke an "Awww~" response. Aoki Ume's artwork, or some of Kyoto Animation's works. It's not something that I think can stand alone (as an accent, yeah, but not by itself), and I worry that "cute for the sake of being cute" ends up being uninteresting. I don't want Gine to be uninteresting. It's why I hope there really is more to her, and I hope I'm just overthinking or over-worrying about how she'll turn out. It's very likely I'll feel better about her once I know more of the story come April.

[tx3]

To be honest... who cares about his mother...? I don't want to see female Sayajins. I don't care about them. I don't care about Pan and Vegeta's daughter or there mothers... Who gives a damn about them....? A little side story in a magazine would be enough... actually that's even too much.

Wow lots of red. Anyways what your beef with female saiyans appearing? I mean do you rather have all saiyans male?

no, but i dont care about them, i am in no need to know about there story...instead they should fix plot holes that are far more important.

[Patrick]

no, but i dont care about them, i am in no need to know about there story...instead they should fix plot holes that are far more important.

They'd be going through a lot of plot holes to fix, and I honestly don't see what's so bad about this. Why is it that devastating/annoying to you?

18 looks like her name could've been "Sarah" or something. She looks like a Sarah.

As for 17? ..... Jonathan.

I could agree for #18's name being Sarah, but I always thought #17 was an "Andrew".

It's almost a pun, and I think it fits anyway.